Why Was Jonbenet Wearing The Wrong Sized Panties When She Was Found?

[angelwngs]

When do you think he placed the note on the steps. Before going up to get JBR or after?

Doing it before forces him to be careful going down not to step on it(the three pages were all layed out together on the lower step) and if someone awakes when he is down in the basement they will see the note and be alerted.

Doing it after makes no sense ofcourse as she would be dead then.

Also why did he place the note in those particular stairs?
It would be easier to place it by the door, or on the kitchen counter. He would not risk stepping on it getting JBR.

Humm... Another thought... There were two sets of stairs. Right? One was quoted on TV the other day as being "spiral"... Which set of stairs was the note found spread out on? And which set was believed to be the ones used when JBR was brought down??? Were they likely the same set of stairs? Conceivably, he could have gone up and down one set and put the ransom note on the other set...

 

[tumble]

Humm... Another thought... There were two sets of stairs. Right? One was quoted on TV the other day as being "spiral"... Which set of stairs was the note found spread out on? And which set was believed to be the ones used when JBR was brought down??? Were they likely the same set of stairs? Conceivably, he could have gone up and down one set and put the ransom note on the other set...

There were actually 3 sets of stairs. The note was found on the spiral staircase the went up to JBR's room. And yes he could have used another set of stairs but then he would have to take a hefty detour passing close by the parents bedroom.

 

[Chrishope]

Humm... Another thought... There were two sets of stairs. Right? One was quoted on TV the other day as being "spiral"... Which set of stairs was the note found spread out on? And which set was believed to be the ones used when JBR was brought down??? Were they likely the same set of stairs? Conceivably, he could have gone up and down one set and put the ransom note on the other set...

The note was on the spiral stairs.

An intruder couldn't put the note on either set of stairs until he was ready to leave - otherwise he'd increase the risk of being caught before he left.

 

[MysteryAddict]

When do you think he placed the note on the steps. Before going up to get JBR or after?

Doing it before forces him to be careful going down not to step on it(the three pages were all layed out together on the lower step) and if someone awakes when he is down in the basement they will see the note and be alerted.

Doing it after makes no sense ofcourse as she would be dead then.

Also why did he place the note in those particular stairs?
It would be easier to place it by the door, or on the kitchen counter. He would not risk stepping on it getting JBR.

How do we know for sure where the note was?

It's only Patsy's word that she found it as she
decended the spiral staircase!!

 

[Chrishope]

How do we know for sure where the note was?

It's only Patsy's word that she found it as she
decended the spiral staircase!!

True.

On another thread, aspidistra points out that the note could have been placed there just after taking JBR down those stairs. The note would serve as a warning of someone coming.

Why does everything in this case point in two directions?

 

[tumble]

How do we know for sure where the note was?

It's only Patsy's word that she found it as she
decended the spiral staircase!!

Yes, we only have Patsys statements. If we start questioning her statements, should we discuss the intruder scenario at all?

 

[tumble]

True.

On another thread, aspidistra points out that the note could have been placed there just after taking JBR down those stairs. The note would serve as a warning of someone coming.

Why does everything in this case point in two directions?

Placing the note just after going down with JBR sound strange to me.
If JB was consious at this moment placing the 3 pages neatly on the step would not be easy while carrying JBR and perhaps holding one hand on her mouth.

IF JBR was unconsious at that moment then maybe. But why then venture into the basement again?

 

[angelwngs]

How do we know for sure where the note was?

It's only Patsy's word that she found it as she
decended the spiral staircase!!

If the spiral staircase was next to JBR's room...and there were other stairs closer to the master bedroom, why would PR descend the spiral stairs. If she did why would she not look in on her daughter. Was it a habit for JBR's door to remain closed or open when she was sleeping? Also, would she have passed the older sons/extra bedroom that was in somewhat disarray? (missing a blanket and with a dustruffle hiked up?) Would the older sons/extra bedroom usually have had the door closed with no one sleeping in there? If she went down the spiral staircase to get ready for the lake trip, passing JBR's room, would she normally let the children sleep until time to hop into the car or would she wake them then so she didn't have to return upstairs...and so they would have time for a quick bite of breakfast and wouldn't be all groggy. Humm...

 

[tumble]

If the spiral staircase was next to JBR's room...and there were other stairs closer to the master bedroom, why would PR descend the spiral stairs. If she did why would she not look in on her daughter. Was it a habit for JBR's door to remain closed or open when she was sleeping? Also, would she have passed the older sons/extra bedroom that was in somewhat disarray? (missing a blanket and with a dustruffle hiked up?) Would the older sons/extra bedroom usually have had the door closed with no one sleeping in there? If she went down the spiral staircase to get ready for the lake trip, passing JBR's room, would she normally let the children sleep until time to hop into the car or would she wake them then so she didn't have to return upstairs...and so they would have time for a quick bite of breakfast and wouldn't be all groggy. Humm...

Good questions.
It seems it was the habit of JR and PR to go down the spiral staircase to the kitchen. BTW, one of the things the intruder seem to have known.
JBR room was normally left slightly ajar. JAR bedroom with the dustruffle was next to JBR's room also very close to the spiral staircase. And finally this day PR appearantly didn't wake JBR up before going down the staircase.
If she had looked inside her room and found out that JBR was missing, maybe she had called the police before the note was even found. Something the notewriter didn't take precausions for as if he/she knew that this case was not worth considering.

 

[angelwngs]

Good questions.
It seems it was the habit of JR and PR to go down the spiral staircase to the kitchen. BTW, one of the things the intruder seem to have known.
JBR room was normally left slightly ajar. JAR bedroom with the dustruffle was next to JBR's room also very close to the spiral staircase. And finally this day PR appearantly didn't wake JBR up before going down the staircase.
If she had looked inside her room and found out that JBR was missing, maybe she had called the police before the note was even found. Something the notewriter didn't take precausions for as if he/she knew that this case was not worth considering.

OMG....Then the "LOGICAL" place for an intruder to have put the ransom note was actually on JBR's bed. If there was an intruder, and if he, indeed did not want them to contact the police he chanced the accidental discovery of her missing prior to the note being found. This means either the intruder wasn't thinking clearly, or that the ransom was a delay tactic or THERE was NO intruder...............

 

[kazzbar]

OMG....Then the "LOGICAL" place for an intruder to have put the ransom note was actually on JBR's bed. If there was an intruder, and if he, indeed did not want them to contact the police he chanced the accidental discovery of her missing prior to the note being found. This means either the intruder wasn't thinking clearly, or that the ransom was a delay tactic or THERE was NO intruder...............

The Ransom note was a delay tactic if you are going to believe the 'intruder' theory. Would have bought time because who ever found it would not have run down stairs but up to alert those who were upstairs. Panic, horror and what do we do's? Would have ensued, all of this buying time for the intruder to leave. Just maybe whoever intruded was on drugs ( something calming) and not overly worried because they were out-of- it anyway and the note was their insurance to get out. I DO NOT think in such a large house the automatic response would be to check each room. This would and did, in fact, come later ......

 

[wenchie]

P.S. John Ramsey wouldn't have had to make any special arrangements to "liquify" something to get $118,00.

He would have had to simply walk into the bank and ask for it, out of his "account".

That's probably why Patsy put that amount in the ransom note. If they were going to continue on with the farce, why not have an amount that can at least be attained without having to call stockbrokers, etc.?

 

[angelwngs]

Yes, we only have Patsys statements. If we start questioning her statements, should we discuss the intruder scenario at all?

I started a thread saying that virtually everything Patsy said should be discounted. (The bear, the pineapple and the size twelve bloomers) After much thought I seriously do not think much of what she has said has a lot of credibility to it for a variety of reasons............ I'm not sure where this is taking me... but I am not ruling out an intruder yet......

 

[angelwngs]

The Ransom note was a delay tactic if you are going to believe the 'intruder' theory. Would have bought time because who ever found it would not have run down stairs but up to alert those who were upstairs. Panic, horror and what do we do's? Would have ensued, all of this buying time for the intruder to leave. Just maybe whoever intruded was on drugs ( something calming) and not overly worried because they were out-of- it anyway and the note was their insurance to get out. I DO NOT think in such a large house the automatic response would be to check each room. This would and did, in fact, come later ......

MUCH Later.... humm...............

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

If an intruder was able to get into a house with 3 other people sleeping in it aside from his target, get his target out of her bedroom and pretty much have his way with her and be in the house for that long without being detected or leaving a trace of his existence anywhere...I still find it hard to believe he'd need to buy any time...when he could simply leave the house again and vanish like the smoke he was when he gained entry in the first place.

And then you still have the pesky pineapple...imagine an intruder who can actually get his child victim to share a snack with him in the dead of night.

Seriously...it don't add up that well.

And when one looks at how Jonbenet was murdered...it just isn't the sign of someone who knew what they were doing in that regard.

 

[wenchie]

Where did this intruder change Jonbenet's clothing, and how did he find the clothing without turning on the light?

 

[Chrishope]

Placing the note just after going down with JBR sound strange to me.
If JB was consious at this moment placing the 3 pages neatly on the step would not be easy while carrying JBR and perhaps holding one hand on her mouth.

IF JBR was unconsious at that moment then maybe. But why then venture into the basement again?

I didn't word my post well. Let me put it another way. He put the note on the steps after getting JBR down from her bedroom. Whether he had her eating pineapple, or bound and gaged in the basement - or whatever. At some point before he starts his really dirty business in the basement. I'm just saying aspidistra's theory that the note on the steps helps serve as an alarm is a good one.

 

[BBB167893]

"The note was placed on the stairs so that it couldn't be missed.

This also works against LS's idea that the intruder went out the window he came in. Why go up and put the note on the steps and then back into the basement and out the window. Easier to slip out a door."

Now do you see why the "intruder theory" is doubted so much?

 

[wenchie]

he wrote it earlier and forgot to take it when he left?

He would have had to put it on the steps AFTER he'd carried Jonbenet down them. By that time, she must have been either dead or near dead (as she didn't protest or make any noise when her attacker washed her and changed her clothes.

I don't think it could have been left there "accidently".