Why weren't LE looking for an accomplice before now?

[angelainwi]

Whatever happened to Sauvie Island?

 

[Mamietwo]

Whatever happened to Sauvie Island?

They had search teams out there (in my thought, LE put all their eggs in that one basket) and didn't find anything out there. I think it was said that families go out to Sauvie Island at certain times of the year but not anything out there now to draw anyone, but that Terri might be familiar with the island and it would be some place Kyron might be. Anyhow, nothing was found out there relating to Kyron.

 

[Leila]

I believe the timeliness of the second flier could well be the composite in living color of the person they are seeking information about. The timing of that flier makes me believe that it was no accident that the next day the presser asks for help in trying to determine if anyone was in the area or associated with the truck.

I personally believe there was some creative placement and color modification in that flier.

There are three white trucks on the top in different angles.

Below left a picture of Terri with her hair color toned down almost mono and below that a picture of Dede with similar coloring. Middle picture they both are red heads top and bottom. Right picture again a toned down color.

IMO this is the composite.....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/49808947/Police-Flyer--Terri-Horman-and-DeDe-Spicher

Hmmmmm.............I've looked at that flyer several times, but until you mentioned it, never noticed that LE was showing both TH and DD with their hair toned down to a brown color and one picture of them each with their hair a definite red. They also show as much of a full face as possible and a slight profile too.

Maybe LE has some info suggesting that the mystery person in or near the Horman truck was DD and they're seeking confirmation.

If this is the case, they certainly wouldn't want to have any sort of sketch out there. They would want someone to come forward and say they remember seeing someone in or near the Horman truck, but didn't think it was important at the time. LE would want to question the witness asking if the person was male or female, heavy-set or slender, how tall, color of hair, etc., and get as much detail from the witness first. Then, LE might show the witness a set of pictures.....maybe a group of 10 pictures, with only one being DD, and ask the witness if anyone in this group of pictures looks like the person they saw?

What LE might be doing is a process of clarification in making a determination of who the mystery person is without tipping their hand or giving any potential witness suggestions that might alter their memory.

 

[just]

Before Dede Spicher emerged on the scene there was absolutely no indication by LE that Terri had help in carrying out her nefarious plan. None. The first questionnaire sent out to the community asked for information about Terri, where she was at the school that day, her truck, etc. Especially at that time, if someone had seen someone else in the vehicle, LE would've needed help in identifying that person because Dede had not yet emerged as a player in this case and wouldn't for three weeks.

For nearly two months there was absolutely no indication by LE that their theory about Terri abducting Kyron from the school included an accomplice. There was no plea to the community for help identifying that person, no composite sketch released, no, "Did you see anyone else around the Horman truck that day?" Nothing.

So then the issue becomes that after two months of media scrutiny, hundreds of interviews conducted with the parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, a questionnaire about Terri's truck and her movements at the school that day, re-interviewing parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Dede Spicher is withholding information and is a possible accessory to whatever Terri has done to Kyron, a witness springs forth from the ether and suddenly remembers seeing Dede Spicher or someone who looks a lot like her hanging around the truck that day.

Or LE has no such witness, and they are simply fishing for information.

I imagine they have known about DS's connection to TH for some time - at least that she seemed to take on the overactive friend role after his disappearance (driving her places, calling her, etc). LE may have watched and waited until they decided to try to pressure DS into giving them info on TH in order to avoid the very real threat of hard time in prison. I mean, she is now well known in Portland and everywhere as the possible accomplice, even though the LE has never said so. I have to wonder if they would really put her name and face out there unless they were awfully certain she knew something but wasn't coming forward.

 

[Cher352]

What did I miss? What is new in the Terri timeline and alibi that we know now to be considered checking out? TIA

If you if haven't seen the video of this GJ witness, watch it, it is better than the written article to me to get a feel of TH that day.

The video is up in the upper right corner of this page, titled the same as the article: Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...ter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx?rss=1100

 

[Jade2010]

IMO, LE knew more from the start, kept it quiet while searching for evidence as well as kidnapping.
I think they were on top of this from day 1. JMOO

Exactly! Tunnel vision IMO. Hope they are right for Kyron's sake.

 

[Jade2010]

Above BBM. And my question is how exactly is it KNOWN that LE has NOT run a parallel investigation?

It is NOT KNOWN. Just as the majority about the investigation is NOT KNOWN. we do NOT KNOW what avenues LE has looked into, run investigations, etc.

How could "the ball have been dropped" when Its an ACTIVE ON-GOING INVESTIGATION that has/and is productive investigation doesn't say anything except these men and women are doing everything in their power(working 7days a week)to seek justice in this case and at the same time professionally&ethically protecting the integrity of this case so that when the appropriate time comes that the guilty party responsible for Kyron no longer being here, LE along with the DA will have no problems successfully prosecuting that individual(s) to absolute fullest extent the law allows.

So if theres anger or frustration("dropping the ball")the appropriate place/person to place it on is the one or ones who have "disappeared" an innocent little boy named Kyron..

IMVHO if LE just learned of the groundskeeper - they dropped the ball!

 

[Jade2010]

Can I just ask - if this were planned - and Terri and DeDe planned it - or Terri planned it and pulled DeDe in later - but it was planned - why would Terri, the planner, have time that she can't be accounted for? Did she really think in her *plan* that LE would accept the fact that she was driving down some roads for an hour (or however long) with the baby in the truck? Was this part of her plan and did she believe LE would buy it and it would be her alibi???

 

[Leila]

I imagine they have known about DS's connection to TH for some time - at least that she seemed to take on the overactive friend role after his disappearance (driving her places, calling her, etc). LE may have watched and waited until they decided to try to pressure DS into giving them info on TH in order to avoid the very real threat of hard time in prison. I mean, she is now well known in Portland and everywhere as the possible accomplice, even though the LE has never said so. I have to wonder if they would really put her name and face out there unless they were awfully certain she knew something but wasn't coming forward.

In this day and age, when people seem to be lawsuit happy, I don't think any police agency would put someone's name and picture out there without some strong evidence of involvement. Otherwise, they'd be setting themselves up for a whopper of a lawsuit if they're wrong.

Even though TH and DD haven't been named as suspects, I think it's fairly certain that LE has information they're holding close to their vests and working with to solve this case.

 

[Kat010]

Before Dede Spicher emerged on the scene there was absolutely no indication by LE that Terri had help in carrying out her nefarious plan. None. The first questionnaire sent out to the community asked for information about Terri, where she was at the school that day, her truck, etc. Especially at that time, if someone had seen someone else in the vehicle, LE would've needed help in identifying that person because Dede had not yet emerged as a player in this case and wouldn't for three weeks.

For nearly two months there was absolutely no indication by LE that their theory about Terri abducting Kyron from the school included an accomplice. There was no plea to the community for help identifying that person, no composite sketch released, no, "Did you see anyone else around the Horman truck that day?" Nothing.

So then the issue becomes that after two months of media scrutiny, hundreds of interviews conducted with the parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, a questionnaire about Terri's truck and her movements at the school that day, re-interviewing parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Dede Spicher is withholding information and is a possible accessory to whatever Terri has done to Kyron, a witness springs forth from the ether and suddenly remembers seeing Dede Spicher or someone who looks a lot like her hanging around the truck that day.

Or LE has no such witness, and they are simply fishing for information.

Good post.

Ditto for Emma: wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

Why not until now?

Well, within hours they told the community that they had nothing to worry about.

Why? Because they decided that TH was the perp.

But, that didn't work out as quickly and easily as they thought. And the days and weeks ground on.

So, then they had to expand their investigation--into who could have helped TH.

One thing I'm not on the fence about--I hope there isn't some sex offender out there with 10 weeks head start. And I think that's very likely.

 

[shelbar53]

Teri and Dede must be thick as thieves to have planned this. Is there any evidence of them talking everyday for hours, meeting everyday at the gym and off whispering in the corner, going to lunch? What do phone records reveal of their communication style. Was there a flurry of phone activity right before? Or did their communication just stop, as in the purchase of a "bat phones" between the 2 of them a few weeks before?

If they did talk everday, then did they still talk everyday after June 4th? Did they change their "behavior" for the sake of the investigation...to throw suspicion off of their friendship?

Maybe the gym people and starbucks people testified about, if they saw Teri and Dede together all the time. This isn't something one would plan with a casual friend. So how much time did they talk and spend together?

 

[Etilema]

How could Dede have been at Skyline before 9:00 if she did not vanish from work until 9:45 or after? I am very confused on that issue. And I am very, very doubtful as to more than two people being involved in this thing...that is at least one too many to keep quiet this long.

Apparently she didn't arrive at work until 9:00, so conceivably she could have been at the school prior to that (as I think the place where she was working was only about 10 minutes from the school).

But I'm not clear on WHY, what the benefit would be, of having her there i the morning. Other than simply to move the truck at the right time to the more hidden location, on the access road.

JMO

 

[ami]

Before Dede Spicher emerged on the scene there was absolutely no indication by LE that Terri had help in carrying out her nefarious plan. None. The first questionnaire sent out to the community asked for information about Terri, where she was at the school that day, her truck, etc. Especially at that time, if someone had seen someone else in the vehicle, LE would've needed help in identifying that person because Dede had not yet emerged as a player in this case and wouldn't for three weeks.

For nearly two months there was absolutely no indication by LE that their theory about Terri abducting Kyron from the school included an accomplice. There was no plea to the community for help identifying that person, no composite sketch released, no, "Did you see anyone else around the Horman truck that day?" Nothing.

So then the issue becomes that after two months of media scrutiny, hundreds of interviews conducted with the parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, a questionnaire about Terri's truck and her movements at the school that day, re-interviewing parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Dede Spicher is withholding information and is a possible accessory to whatever Terri has done to Kyron, a witness springs forth from the ether and suddenly remembers seeing Dede Spicher or someone who looks a lot like her hanging around the truck that day.

Or LE has no such witness, and they are simply fishing for information.

From the ether of YOUR knowledge. And as far as I know, LE did not say that a witness saw DS near Terri's truck.

I mean if you're going to blast LE for jumping to conclusions with incomplete information, why don't we try not to make that same mistake by jumping to conclusions about the case or about LE's motives with even LESS information? If you don't believe LE has enough info to suspect Terri, then you have to accept that we don't have enough info to suspect LE isn't doing their job.

 

[TxLady2]

IMVHO if LE just learned of the groundskeeper - they dropped the ball!

Why do you say that? Just curious, because the way I see it... if that person didn't come forward with what he knew before now... how is that LE's fault? They don't have a crystal ball they can look into and pick out anybody who might know anything. I don't think we should blame them if somebody just thought of something that might help.
And it's possible that the groundskeeper didn't realize this information was important until the fliers with the truck parked on the access road came out.

 

[BeanE]

Whatever happened to Sauvie Island?

Sauvie who?

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Well, within hours they told the community that they had nothing to worry about. Why? Because they decided that TH was the perp.

Either that, or LE decided that the odds were very heavily against an abduction by a stranger, and that keeping the public from panicking and the kids in school was important.

I would not have sent my kids back to that school after Kyron was abducted, though. I wouldn't send them there this school year, until the case has been solved and I fully believe that LE has arrested all of the criminal(s) who were involved.

 

[SurfieTX]

The FBI was involved very early on. I suppose it is possible that they complied a perp profile with local LE and that was why the initial investigation took the course that it did; however, upon gathering of more evidence, using surveillance and watching the family and friend dynamics explode in various directions, the initial profile and/or theory was revised. Just guessin'.

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

If someone dropped the ball we have to remember that the ones holding the ball include many officals not just local LE. It is not a case of "small town LE" against innocent housewives...IMHO

I have a very hard time believing that all these experts that are involved share the same vision, see things exactally the same way and are conspiring to frame an innocent woman to prove it.

We do not have all the information, we are not supposed to have all the information are we? Cause if we have it so does the person or persons involved and that would allow for postering and planting evidence and so on and so forth.

This dropping the ball that some have suggested to me is suggesting as if a team of experts from all over are playing "hot potato" with a missing childs life.

I have a hard time believing that all of them are willing to play a game with a child in the balance, potentally more victems while the world is watching.. IMOO

To believe that the investigation has tunnel vision is to believe that hundreds of professionals that assist in this case all stare down the same "tunnel" to see this as a shared vision?

 

[believe09]

But Kyron is missing, and LE have no evidence of his death. If there is a chance, no matter how remote, that he might be brought home alive, then why wouldn't LE release more information about this mystery person?

LE certainly had no qualms about implicating Terri Horman in this matter with their first questionnaire. LE certainly had no qualms about implicating Dede Spicher in this matter with their second questionnaire. Until Kyron is found, forget the statistics, time is of the essence!

If LE deemed the witness credible enough to go to the press with staged photos and an appeal for help, then why not put together a composite sketch or basic information, such as what the person was wearing, if they were male or female, the color of their hair, the color of their skin, etc.?

I dont get the implicating part-they are trying to clear her. TH has presumably made a number of statements regarding what she did that day-some of which is unsupported by independent means. So, they are looking for someone or something that will either prove or disprove what she is saying. She appears to be the last person to see Kyron. LE is vigorously pursuing whoever has this boy...this does not have to be adversarial.

JMVHO.

 

[BeanE]

I dont get the implicating part-they are trying to clear her. TH has presumably made a number of statements regarding what she did that day-some of which is unsupported by independent means. So, they are looking for someone or something that will either prove or disprove what she is saying. She appears to be the last person to see Kyron. LE is vigorously pursuing whoever has this boy...this does not have to be adversarial.

JMVHO.

I don't think that's how it works, believe, particularly once the DA gets on board, such as with the GJ in this case. They look for whatever will support charges against the person they've chosen to focus on.

Doesn't mean they never look elsewhere, but I believe it has to hit some PDs over the head before they will look. The DA does not want LEs looking elsewhere. It puts a crimp in his/her case.