Why weren't LE looking for an accomplice before now?

[Kat010]

Either that, or LE decided that the odds were very heavily against an abduction by a stranger, and that keeping the public from panicking and the kids in school was important.

I would not have sent my kids back to that school after Kyron was abducted, though. I wouldn't send them there this school year, until the case has been solved and I fully believe that LE has arrested all of the criminal(s) who were involved.

I wouldn't send my kids back, either, especially not right after.

LE would have been better served, and the community better served, IMHO, not to have made such a very very strong statement. They could have said something like this: "At this point, we do not believe that our children are in danger from someone seeking to take more than one child. However, summer is soon upon us. As always, with your children outdoors and participating in various activities, we urge you to be especially vigilant. Make sure you know who's watching children at play. Make sure you talk to your children about strangers, and cars coming up too close. Call us immediately at 911 if you or your child sees someone who concerns you.

As a community, we can and will protect our children, and it does take all of us. We've spent time with school officials and they understnd the need for special vigilance as the school year closes out. To that end, we'll station a community service officer at Skyline. Anyone in that area, student, teacher, neighbor, friend, or family member, who has a concern or remembers something new from June 4 that may pertain to Kyron's disappearance, should talk to that officer."

And yes, IMHO, they should have put at least a liasion officer at the school to establish presence, to induce an extra feeling of security. And, to give a familiar presence that people would feel comfortable talking to after a few days. They could rotate 2 officers. *

They so dropped the ball on this. And that "don't worry" flat statement with absolutely nothing else attached sent a signal that they had their target in their gunsights. If that's not true, and they were looking at various possibiities, they created their own problems with public perception with that statement and then the immediate public focus on TH.

They shot themselves in both feet, IMHO. And I hope they didn't really really damage the investigation.

*When I was a child in upstate NY, unless urgently needed otherwise, a police officer followed school buses home in rural areas. And it was multi-agency--sometimes a highway patrol if a local officer was busy. And, in town we had a police officer who helped traffic control--including kids walking across the street--near the school. I still remember that wonderful man, who we all called Slug. He watched over us. Not only that, he was comfortable, part of the normal environment, and people, even kids, could tell him anything. Great deterrence. Somewhere in heaven, there's a Slug, and I hope he knows "Banana Nose" and no doubt many of his other kids thank him and still remember him with love.

 

[Kat010]

If someone dropped the ball we have to remember that the ones holding the ball include many officals not just local LE. It is not a case of "small town LE" against innocent housewives...IMHO

I have a very hard time believing that all these experts that are involved share the same vision, see things exactally the same way and are conspiring to frame an innocent woman to prove it.

We do not have all the information, we are not supposed to have all the information are we? Cause if we have it so does the person or persons involved and that would allow for postering and planting evidence and so on and so forth.

This dropping the ball that some have suggested to me is suggesting as if a team of experts from all over are playing "hot potato" with a missing childs life.

I have a hard time believing that all of them are willing to play a game with a child in the balance, potentally more victems while the world is watching.. IMOO

To believe that the investigation has tunnel vision is to believe that hundreds of professionals that assist in this case all stare down the same "tunnel" to see this as a shared vision?

Good points--but I don't believe that hundreds of people are "playing games." The fact remains that this case "belongs" to MCSO. They're driving it. Any other agencies involved know that this case is managed by MCSO.

Unfortunately, all it takes sometimes is one or two leaders, or a small group of officers, who believe that they *know* who committed a crime, and work toward proving that. That psychological stance early on effectively does create tunnel vision. And that can and does happen in many cases.

As my old editor always said "feeding at the public trough." They are paid by our tax dollars, which means that they report to us. And we have a right--nay, an obligation--to tell them how we think they're doing. I'm never impressed by anyone's title if they feed at the public trough--to me, they're all my employees. I can respect the job they do if they do it well, or the theory of their job, but whether a police officer or a senator, they work for me on my dime. IMHO, a concerned and vocal citizenry, both supportive, and when need be, pointing out flaws (AKA job reviews from the public) are essential to make sure that our employees are doing their jobs the best way possible.

Especially when a child is missing or hurt.

 

[Leila]

Teri and Dede must be thick as thieves to have planned this. Is there any evidence of them talking everyday for hours, meeting everyday at the gym and off whispering in the corner, going to lunch? What do phone records reveal of their communication style. Was there a flurry of phone activity right before? Or did their communication just stop, as in the purchase of a "bat phones" between the 2 of them a few weeks before?

If they did talk everday, then did they still talk everyday after June 4th? Did they change their "behavior" for the sake of the investigation...to throw suspicion off of their friendship?

Maybe the gym people and starbucks people testified about, if they saw Teri and Dede together all the time. This isn't something one would plan with a casual friend. So how much time did they talk and spend together?

You bring up an excellent point!

I suspect that as soon as LE obtained phone records on the four parents/step-parents, and started checking into who they were calling and how frequently, LE was onto DD.

They had her name, address, history, and started checking into the relationship between TH and DD. LE looked into patterns and any abrupt changes in the pattern in the weeks leading up to Kyron's disappearance and in the weeks since.

Certainly the purchase of "bat" phones under false identification by TH's friends is an abrupt change to the pattern and very suspicious. This is probably what led to LE searching the homes of 3 of TH's friends, including DD. LE must of had some evidence in order to obtain search warrants.

 

[Leila]

Either that, or LE decided that the odds were very heavily against an abduction by a stranger, and that keeping the public from panicking and the kids in school was important.

I would not have sent my kids back to that school after Kyron was abducted, though. I wouldn't send them there this school year, until the case has been solved and I fully believe that LE has arrested all of the criminal(s) who were involved.

I'm trying to remember what word it was that LE used in describing this case. It was described as "unique" or "unusual", something along that line. It suggests that they know something that rules out this being a case of stranger abduction.

I think LE knew almost immediately that this was not the more typical child snatched by a stranger. We're not privy to the information LE has, but it would appear that they have some sort of evidence they're working with that points exclusively to parental abduction.

 

[JBean]

I'm trying to remember what word it was that LE used in describing this case. It was described as "unique" or "unusual", something along that line. It suggests that they know something that rules out this being a case of stranger abduction.

I think LE knew almost immediately that this was not the more typical child snatched by a stranger. We're not privy to the information LE has, but it would appear that they have some sort of evidence they're working with that points exclusively to parental abduction.

isolated

 

[jadejazzkayla]

It may be that LE has just recently determined Terri could not have kidnapped Kyron - UNLESS - she had an accomplice and in that case - they are now looking for a mystery accomplice and if they don't find one - they will look elsewhere for the perpetrator.

Hopefully LE is already looking at a few more people that they have deemed possible perpetrators.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I'm trying to remember what word it was that LE used in describing this case. It was described as "unique" or "unusual", something along that line. It suggests that they know something that rules out this being a case of stranger abduction.

I think LE knew almost immediately that this was not the more typical child snatched by a stranger. We're not privy to the information LE has, but it would appear that they have some sort of evidence they're working with that points exclusively to parental abduction.

LE guy Jason Gates said specifically during a pc that stranger abduction HAS NOT BEEN RULED OUT.

 

[Kat010]

ITA. I think some people watch too much television where LE is the big bad framing poor innocent people. The fact is, THEY are keeping this so close to the vest that THEY are the only ones who know what they have and why they do things. We can speculate all day long, but this investigation is THEIRS, not ours. If people here think LE is so bad and corrupt, why not start an independent investigation and see just how hard it is to do? It's an insult to the hard work of LE to immediately jump to the conclusion that they don't know what they're doing. They do know what they're doing, and they don't owe us, the public, any explanation for it. We just have to sit this out and wait to see what happens, no matter how hard that is to do.

I, for one, trust that LE knows what they're doing, and this is not a fishing expedition. I just can't believe that LE has been acting like Casey Anthony's lawyer Baez and her family this whole time, framing and targeting innocent people. They know what they're doing, and there's no indication other than errant suspicions and rampant LE dislike to say that they are inept and have tunnel vision here.

I have a hunch that you're including me in your "some people." I'm not seeing "rampant LE dislike" or "too much TV" in our discussions and debates here.

Remember, I'm the person who takes all the risks riding patrol with the police. I invested 60 hours in courses, had to be approved by the police chief to ride, and also had to sign legal papers absolving them of all responsibility. Among the risks that I take--other than physical--is that of having to go to court if needed. That risk includes not just the time and effort, but also means that my name and address would be revealed to any accused person, including multiple offenders who are just up on their latest charges.

That's a real risk for a single woman.

I'm actually a rabid LE defender. However, based on my experience as a journalist who's covered some hard cases as far back as the '70's, a trained high-level classified security manager, and now, a civilian police supporter and CPA grad, I see real problems with LE handling of this case.

And they've also done a pretty bad job of handling public communications, IMHO.

Because someone criticizes it does not mean that they're cop haters. Some of the strongest critics of cops are--other cops. Ya oughta hear what I hear in that car sometimes for 9 hours.

Let's not make assumptions about other posters' motives, OK? Please.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't like being accused of disliking LE if I have questions about how they are handling a case. I'm not expecting them to take the time to answer my questions, but I think I have a right to have them. I am very much a law and order kind of person, but LE is no more or less human than anyone else and can latch on to a theory and not want to let go. I am far from being any sort of conspiracy theorist; I do not think LE acts in bad faith even when this happens, but it does happen. And it is also human nature to have questions where there are so few clear answers forthcoming.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

ITA. I think some people watch too much television where LE is the big bad framing poor innocent people. The fact is, THEY are keeping this so close to the vest that THEY are the only ones who know what they have and why they do things. We can speculate all day long, but this investigation is THEIRS, not ours. If people here think LE is so bad and corrupt, why not start an independent investigation and see just how hard it is to do? It's an insult to the hard work of LE to immediately jump to the conclusion that they don't know what they're doing. They do know what they're doing, and they don't owe us, the public, any explanation for it. We just have to sit this out and wait to see what happens, no matter how hard that is to do.

I, for one, trust that LE knows what they're doing, and this is not a fishing expedition. I just can't believe that LE has been acting like Casey Anthony's lawyer Baez and her family this whole time, framing and targeting innocent people. They know what they're doing, and there's no indication other than errant suspicions and rampant LE dislike to say that they are inept and have tunnel vision here.

first bbm...the investigation is not ours but websleuths is ours. our place to discuss the facts and voice our opinions. even if they differ from your opinions.

second bbm. Looking for an accomplice could be a fishing expedition on LE's part as their job is to find evidence and if they feel a fishing expedition is necessary - they do that. and in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that.