Why? What was the motive?

[Jeana (DP)]

The most ridiculous ransom letter known to mankind. Wasn't it 4 or 5 pages? Kidnapper surely took a great risk sitting around writing that note on some of Patsy's personal stationary. Hodges even pointed out that the margins are correct, 4 spaces to the left. The punctuation is all correct. And we've talked about misspellings.

For a minute there I thought I was on the wrong forum.

We've got a whole area devoted to the Ramsey case . . . let's stay somewhat on topic here ladies, please. :innocent: :innocent:

 

[cami]

I think the freudian slips probably do occur but I am not so sure I buy the way he points them out. From what you guys say, he takes some pretty big leaps. I think an amateur would make little mistakes that stand out to police, but I don't think the writer of that note wanted to be caught, etc. Am I making any sense?

No not consciously, but subconsciously the writer wanted to be caught. Here's a little info on what we are talking about.

Recognition of Thoughtprint Decoding:

The Wave of the Future

The thoughtprint decoding method has been recognized by forensic authorities including law enforcement, criminologists, attorneys, and forensic psychiatrists/psychologists. Dr. Hodges’ work has been reviewed by peers in professional journals and referenced in criminology journals. He has been credited with a new way of profiling forensic documents and adding a crucial dimension to the field of psycholinguistics.

Endorsements by noted criminologist, authority on serial killers, and former police officer:

“This new technique of thoughtprint decoding will result in criminal offenders "speaking" through their deeper encoded unconscious messages and revealing their motives and true identities when written or spoken messages are decoded. Acceptance and application of this new to written documents and oral communications will greatly contribute to the law enforcement arsenal of criminal investigation in the future.”


Here's a link to the website

 

[cami]

That ransom note is probably one of the most laughable things I've ever read. Some writers described it as the "War and Peace" of ransom notes, due to its extreme length. And I love "the small foreign faction" part... what group refers to itself as a small foreign faction? And what foreign faction considers itself small? And please tell me, if it was a foreign faction, how they planned to divvy up $119,000 between all of the members. Why not ask for a million or so, in order for all of the "faction" to get a reasonable amount of money. There's so much wrong with the ransom note that it boggles the imagination. What ransom note writer would bother to refer to something as an "attache" case... or mention who it liked and who it didn't. And who, for goodness sake, would take the time to sit down in someone else's house to write such a lengthy note? Why not just quickly scribble "give me a million or I'll kill your daughter". And just one last question... why would someone write such an elaborate ransom note ONLY to forget to take the child they're supposedly kidnapping? The whole thing is beyond preposterous.

Exactly! You scribble on a note, we have your daughter, give us a billion or we kill her. Oh and you take the child with you, you don't leave her there with the note.

 

[cami]

For a minute there I thought I was on the wrong forum.

We've got a whole area devoted to the Ramsey case . . . let's stay somewhat on topic here ladies, please. :innocent: :innocent:

Sorry DP. Too bad we didn't have Darlie's "in her own words" decoded by this Dr. Hodges.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Beesy, no need to take it personally. It was just a random post. If you'd like, you can start an off topic thread here and talk about any other case that interests you. I'm just trying to keep the threads somewhat close to the title, that's all.

 

[beesy]

Beesy, no need to take it personally. It was just a random post. If you'd like, you can start an off topic thread here and talk about any other case that interests you. I'm just trying to keep the threads somewhat close to the title, that's all.

Ok, I understand. I was just a little taken aback that my post out all of those was chosen. But no worries.
I'm really not that interested in the little details of the Ramsey case, certainly not enough to start a thread about it. Remember I first asked if that whatever cause could be used for Darlie's defense? It can't everybody told me. The author of the Ramsey book mentioned it(which I never bothered to finish). So I brought it up many many many posts ago as it pertained to Darlie. Then we were all laughing at the author's "skills" I love the Darlie case, and from her, I will not

stray

 

[HeartofTexas]

Beesy, I would imagine it was my long post re the ransom note that enticed Jeanne to make her post... so why not let me take the fall for this one! I got way off topic with my post.

 

[Goody]

No not consciously, but subconsciously the writer wanted to be caught. Here's a little info on what we are talking about.

Recognition of Thoughtprint Decoding:

The Wave of the Future

The thoughtprint decoding method has been recognized by forensic authorities including law enforcement, criminologists, attorneys, and forensic psychiatrists/psychologists. Dr. Hodges’ work has been reviewed by peers in professional journals and referenced in criminology journals. He has been credited with a new way of profiling forensic documents and adding a crucial dimension to the field of psycholinguistics.

Endorsements by noted criminologist, authority on serial killers, and former police officer:

“This new technique of thoughtprint decoding will result in criminal offenders "speaking" through their deeper encoded unconscious messages and revealing their motives and true identities when written or spoken messages are decoded. Acceptance and application of this new to written documents and oral communications will greatly contribute to the law enforcement arsenal of criminal investigation in the future.”


Here's a link to the website

I would have to see the details of the cases he got right, and at least be given some idea of how many he got wrong before I could just bite into that one. LOL! If it can actually be done accurately, it could be an interesting tool of the future. I am just a bit skeptical.

 

[Goody]

Beesy, I would imagine it was my long post re the ransom note that enticed Jeanne to make her post... so why not let me take the fall for this one! I got way off topic with my post.

I was wondering how long Jeana would let us ramble before she rapped our fingers, Hahahahah,. It is hard to stay on topic all the time. So many of these cases have similarities.

 

[beesy]

Beesy, I would imagine it was my long post re the ransom note that enticed Jeanne to make her post... so why not let me take the fall for this one! I got way off topic with my post.

That wouldn't work. Beesy must always take the blame

 

[Goody]

That wouldn't work. Beesy must always take the blame

Do I hear some guilt issues ringing in the background????

 

[michelle]

please dont attack......... I am just wondering what the motive is to kill these poor babies i am sure there was insurance money but could she have killed darin for this instead of the boys......i just dont get it, and its been so long since i have read anything on it....

 

[Goody]

please dont attack......... I am just wondering what the motive is to kill these poor babies i am sure there was insurance money but could she have killed darin for this instead of the boys......i just dont get it, and its been so long since i have read anything on it....

Well, it wasn't the insurance money. They only got $10,000 for the boys ($5000 each) and the funeral cost them $13,000.

I don't know why she did it. I am thinking she either lost her temper and lashed out against one child unexpectedly and the rest of was part of the cover up, or both she and her husband together got so wrapped up in their material lifestyle that they thought they could pull off a double murder like that, sell themselves as victims, and capitalize on their story rights afterwards. The latter seems a little out there but these two were entreapenuers, risk takers by nature almost, and if anyone would come up with such a crazy plot, it would be someone like them. Only they can tell us which it was though, so until one of them talks, we are left wondering.

 

[michelle]

:waitasec:

Well, it wasn't the insurance money. They only got $10,000 for the boys ($5000 each) and the funeral cost them $13,000.

I don't know why she did it. I am thinking she either lost her temper and lashed out against one child unexpectedly and the rest of was part of the cover up, or both she and her husband together got so wrapped up in their material lifestyle that they thought they could pull off a double murder like that, sell themselves as victims, and capitalize on their story rights afterwards. The latter seems a little out there but these two were entreapenuers, risk takers by nature almost, and if anyone would come up with such a crazy plot, it would be someone like them. Only they can tell us which it was though, so until one of them talks, we are left wondering.

well if darin was hunting around for someone to burglerize them and then cash in on the insurance, maybe he started dealing with some shady people and they were involved in this as well, i dont know just tossing out ideas..

 

[Goody]

:waitasec:
well if darin was hunting around for someone to burglerize them and then cash in on the insurance, maybe he started dealing with some shady people and they were involved in this as well, i dont know just tossing out ideas..

But there is no evidence that he ever asked anyone to burglarize his house. He hasn't even said, "I told the guys at my mechanics to let me know if they know anyone who would do it." There is absolutely NO reason to believe that this whole thing wasn't created just to make people THINK he did this in order to get Darlie off of death row.

Darin likes to talk, but he has no criminal record at all. He didn't hang out with thugs and so it is unlikely that he knew any thugs. If he did, he wouldn't have been asking his stepfather-in-law for leads. I mean, how lame is that? The big scammer can't even find his own thugs to do his dirty work for him? lol! It is all smoke and mirrors, parlor tricks to fool the public and appellate judges. It won't work but it takes up space in a brief.

 

[michelle]

But there is no evidence that he ever asked anyone to burglarize his house. He hasn't even said, "I told the guys at my mechanics to let me know if they know anyone who would do it." There is absolutely NO reason to believe that this whole thing wasn't created just to make people THINK he did this in order o get Darlie off of death row.

Darin likes to talk, but he has no criminal record at all. He didn't hang out with thugs and so it is unlikely that he knew any thugs. If he did, he wouldn't have been asking his stepfather-in-law for leads. I mean, how lame is that? The big scammer can't even find his own thugs to do his dirty work for him? lol! It is all smoke and mirrors, parlor tricks to fool the public and appellate judges. It won't work but it takes up space in a brief.

Has anything ever become of this finger print that doesnt match darin or darlie?

 

[Goody]

Has anything ever become of this finger print that doesnt match darin or darlie?

The bloody fingerprint....my favorite defense parlor trick. The fingerprint is only a partial and can't be used to ID anyone. Darin has been eliminated as a source and Darlie almost has, but her ring finger has a whorl pattern and the fingerprint also has a whorl pattern so technically she can't be eliminated. If science ever advances enough to ID it, I think we are going to find that it is Darlie's print, but in the meantime they are using it to promote the intruder theory. I don't think they will get very far with it.

 

[michelle]

The bloody fingerprint....my favorite defense parlor trick. The fingerprint is only a partial and can't be used to ID anyone. Darin has been eliminated as a source and Darlie almost has, but her ring finger has a whorl pattern and the fingerprint also has a whorl pattern so technically she can't be eliminated. If science ever advances enough to ID it, I think we are going to find that it is Darlie's print, but in the meantime they are using it to promote the intruder theory. I don't think they will get very far with it.

oh i see......is she going to get another trial? what about the photos that the jurors said they never seen and some of the jurors said they were wrong that darlie didnt do it, sorry to ask so much i just havent read anything about it in awhile...

 

[Goody]

oh i see......is she going to get another trial? what about the photos that the jurors said they never seen and some of the jurors said they were wrong that darlie didnt do it, sorry to ask so much i just havent read anything about it in awhile...

One juror claimed he didn't see the photos of her bruises, but that is clearly not accurate. There were over 900 photos taken and I think a couple of hundred offered into evidence. All of her bruises were well documented. You can see that in the photos they have online. Those are exhibits from the trial. Even Darlie's attys said the photos were there so he can't figure out what the juror is talking about. I think the guy is just easily influenced and is suffering from juror's remorse, the regret that sinks in after you have sentenced someone to die.

We will find out if she is going to get a new trial sometime this year, I expect. The defense has just filed a writ with the federal court of appeals. It will be up to the appellate judges at this point. I would like to see her get a new trial. I think she would be convicted again, but at least she would get another chance to bargain her way into a life sentence. It would be a second chance to save her life. If she gets that second chance, hopefully she won't blow it again.

 

[Dani_T]

Well, it wasn't the insurance money. They only got $10,000 for the boys ($5000 each) and the funeral cost them $13,000.

I'm not sure that proves that the insurance money wasn't the original motive. I'm not claiming that I think it was- but we always say 'the funerals cost more than the insurance so that couldn't have been it'. But would Darlie have either known how much funerals cost or even if she had would she have been personally willing to spend that much on them anyway? Perhaps the pressure to spend that much came from Darin or the family?

As I said, I don't think the $10 000 insurance money was the incentive to kill her kids. But I don't think we can necessarily rule in out just because of hindsight