Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

[Linda7NJ]

I guess I'm confused as to why so many people don't understand why a parent who is being accused of murdering their child and eviscerated in the gossip rags and media would finally shut up and seek an attorney.

Frankly, after watching years of Dateline and Mystery 48 Hours there would be no way in hell I'd talk to the cops if I was actually accused of a crime. Even if I was innocent I'd just seek out an attorney and shut up. There have been too many cases of people convicted of crimes on circumstantial evidence coupled with statements that were taken out of context. Cops are allowed to lie straight to your face in order to try to elicit a conviction, they can drill you for hours trying "weaken your resolve" etc and then parcel together bits and pieces of "admissions" you came out with during the interview.

I still see this whole thing as a major screw up on the part of the police. They turned on John and tried to suggest that he was a conniver who outsmarted them and "tricked" the police because he was the one that found the body.

The cops should have found the body. The cops should have secured the crime scene. The cops on the scene have made statements that tap into the public suspicion of the couple but would never have been admitted into the courts.

Like this one
I Know Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey - YouTube

This woman looks like a freakin' lunatic to me. She's crazy yet people just accept what she's saying instead of realizing she screwed up massively.


Her eyes alone indicate criminal tendencies. I don't believe a word out of this woman's mouth. She seems crazy to me. But she's accepted as some sort of an expert by some. I don't get it. SMH

I take issue the way you couched that by saying " finally shut up" and got an attorney. That's not exactly what happened or fair statement.

I do agree that LE really F'd this case up bad as soon as they arrived.

That video....and all her whining about being scapegoated....eye roll...IMO she WAS left swinging in the wind...but what she did was inexcusable and broke every rule in the Police Handy Dandy Crime Scene Cliff Notes 101!

Yet she talks as if she's a psychic and reads facial expressions & eyeballs like some sort of "reality tv psychic" speaks to the dead lol

 

[DeDee]

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The cops should have found the body. The cops should have secured the crime scene. The cops on the scene have made statements that tap into the public suspicion of the couple but would never have been admitted into the courts.

Like this one
I Know Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey - YouTube

This woman looks like a freakin' lunatic to me. She's crazy yet people just accept what she's saying instead of realizing she screwed up massively.

Her eyes alone indicate criminal tendencies. I don't believe a word out of this woman's mouth. She seems crazy to me. But she's accepted as some sort of an expert by some. I don't get it. SMH

Thank you for approaching a topic that until now I have politely avoided. Chewy, something is not right with that detective woman.

That nonsense about counting her bullets...as if her life were in real danger, was a hot mess. She didn't control and maintain a credible CS. Maybe LA was impressed by PRs sweet Southern drawl and JRs gold money clip.

OTOH, I read, with great interest, every [embellished] word LA provided for obtaining the Search Warrants bc that is when I believe she was the most sincere.

OMO

 

[Chewy]

I take issue the way you couched that by saying " finally shut up" and got an attorney. That's not exactly what happened or fair statement.

I do agree that LE really F'd this case up bad as soon as they arrived.

That video....and all her whining about being scapegoated....eye roll...IMO she WAS left swinging in the wind...but what she did was inexcusable and broke every rule in the Police Handy Dandy Crime Scene Cliff Notes 101!

Yet she talks as if she's a psychic and reads facial expressions & eyeballs like some sort of "reality tv psychic" speaks to the dead lol

BBM Why so?

Just to clarify, most of us don't have lawyers on our speed dial like John did, it's not surprising to me at all that John called his ASAP

 

[MyBelle]

It would be any pastors, reverends , priest job to counsel one of their flock. That's what they do. IMO they're the perfect person ...they have to keep their mouths shut.


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But he didn't keep his mouth shut. He spoke loud enough to be overheard. He wanted to be overheard supporting John. I do not believe he would have taken that step if John had privately confessed he was directly involved in the murder.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM Why so?

Just to clarify, most of us don't have lawyers on our speed dial like John did, it's not surprising to me at all that John called his ASAP

"Finally shut up and got an
attorney" IMO implies that they waited a bit while being trashed in the media.

By the 27th they had shut up and lawyered up. Choosing to speak on CNN and avoiding LE's requests for interviews. The fix and the RST complete with PR had begun!!!

It's a sad disgusting thing the Ramsey's expected the public to believe....that they were innocent.
Yet the Ramsey's invested so much $$$$$ into keeping themselves free and next to nothing trying to find the "intruder"

Anyone that bought into their innocence and tales of an intruder, I have a piece of UFO wreckage to sell ya!




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[Chewy]

Again, if I was in their shoes I would have done the same thing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Again, if I was in their shoes I would have done the same thing.

If I were innocent, I'd do anything and everything asked of me to help law enforcement catch whoever was responsible. I'd camp out at the station, if I felt they weren't doing enough and I wasn't getting answers.

The Ramsey had other children to protect! There's a killer out there!!!

I would want to be cleared immediately so all efforts and resources would be able to focus on finding the murderer. I'd demand to be polygraphed, fingerprinted, DNA swabbed, hair, fiber & every stitch of clothing I owned would be handed over. Handwriting samples... I'd hand them every scrap in my houses, car, written to others that I could get my hands on. Interview me alone? Certainly! I'd turn over any and everything they asked for. Our lives would be an open book.

Compare that to how the Ramsey's behaved. And ask yourself...what would you do?

Every move the Ramsey's made kept valuable resources away from finding who really killed their daughter. That was intentional. IMO they know who killed her.


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[gramcracker]

ITA that the crime scene/investigation was compromised in the first few hours but the fault for that belonged to New Age touchy-feely BPD Chief Koby and, to a lesser degree, (Detective) Cmdr Eller. BPD LEOs on-scene had been instructed that the Rs were to be treated as victims and NOT as suspects

Lawrence Schiller's Perfect Murder, Perfect Town/kindle location 192

Judging by what Eller heard from officers at the scene, the Ramseys appeared to be part of Boulder's elite. "Credible millionaires" was a phrase one officer used. Obviously, Eller felt, these were people you had to treat with respect, not people you wanted to offend.

Steve Thomas' IRMI/kindle location 705

Eller also realized that the officers who responded to the Ramsey home that morning were all products of Boulder-style policing, which had them trained not to be assertive or confrontational.

Eller was the head of the detective division but Koby, as Chief, had the first and last word re BPD policy and protocol. IMO the blame was 90% Koby, 5% Eller and 5% officers on-scene

 

[MyBelle]

Again, if I was in their shoes I would have done the same thing.

If I was in their shoes and guilty, I too, would have done the same thing.

I can guarantee that if I were in their shoes and totally innocent, I would have been an emotional mess and willing to do whatever they asked, including taking a polygraph.

 

[MyBelle]

If I were innocent, I'd do anything and everything asked of me to help law enforcement catch whoever was responsible. I'd camp out at the station, if I felt they weren't doing enough and I wasn't getting answers.

The Ramsey had other children to protect! There's a killer out there!!!

I would want to be cleared immediately so all efforts and resources would be able to focus on finding the murderer. I'd demand to be polygraphed, fingerprinted, DNA swabbed, hair, fiber & every stitch of clothing I owned would be handed over. Handwriting samples... I'd hand them every scrap in my houses, car, written to others that I could get my hands on. Interview me alone? Certainly! I'd turn over any and everything they asked for. Our lives would be an open book.

Compare that to how the Ramsey's behaved. And ask yourself...what would you do?

Every move the Ramsey's made kept valuable resources away from finding who really killed their daughter. That was intentional. IMO they know who killed her.


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You make an excellent point. The one thing innocent parents do when their child is "missing" for more than a second is to panic and not only frantically search themselves but to get everyone else to search. If it's in a store, they'll go right to management. They'll call neighbors, cops, send out siblings to canvas the neighborhood. It's happened in case after case. Yet not this one. I remember in an interview with Smit and the Denver Post, he said Burke said his parents came into his room searching that morning and that it was the most frantic he had ever seen his mother....

But then what happened next? Why didn't they tell him to help them search? That house had over 7,000 square feet. Your sister isn't in her bed is all they needed to say. Instead Burke was apparently told to stay in his room or go back to sleep or whatever. His next appearance seemed to be downstairs when he asked what Patsy had found and John told him to stay out of it.

The Ramseys called all their pals and played victim.

 

[UKGuy]

"Finally shut up and got an
attorney" IMO implies that they waited a bit while being trashed in the media.

By the 27th they had shut up and lawyered up. Choosing to speak on CNN and avoiding LE's requests for interviews. The fix and the RST complete with PR had begun!!!

It's a sad disgusting thing the Ramsey's expected the public to believe....that they were innocent.
Yet the Ramsey's invested so much $$$$$ into keeping themselves free and next to nothing trying to find the "intruder"

Anyone that bought into their innocence and tales of an intruder, I have a piece of UFO wreckage to sell ya!




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Linda7NJ,
LOL, do not sell it. How about swapping for my unique set of five pairs of Bloomingdales size-12 underwear, Vintage 90's style, a collectors item, signed by Patricia Ramsey, free of contamination and any touch-dna!

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[Linda7NJ]

Linda7NJ,

LOL, do not sell it. How about swapping for my unique set of five pairs of Bloomingdales size-12 underwear, Vintage 90's style, a collectors item, signed by Patricia Ramsey, free of contamination and any touch-dna!



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Oh and my plan to prove I'm not lying ...
I'm gonna use the same dude Patsy settled on to conduct a polygraph! He's the "expert" that polygraphed and passed folks abducted by aliens AND Patsy Ramsey!

He also lied about his education*








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[Chewy]

If I were innocent, I'd do anything and everything asked of me to help law enforcement catch whoever was responsible. I'd camp out at the station, if I felt they weren't doing enough and I wasn't getting answers.

The Ramsey had other children to protect! There's a killer out there!!!

I would want to be cleared immediately so all efforts and resources would be able to focus on finding the murderer. I'd demand to be polygraphed, fingerprinted, DNA swabbed, hair, fiber & every stitch of clothing I owned would be handed over. Handwriting samples... I'd hand them every scrap in my houses, car, written to others that I could get my hands on. Interview me alone? Certainly! I'd turn over any and everything they asked for. Our lives would be an open book.

Compare that to how the Ramsey's behaved. And ask yourself...what would you do?

Every move the Ramsey's made kept valuable resources away from finding who really killed their daughter. That was intentional. IMO they know who killed her.


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[modsnip] There are many interviews that were done they just had a lawyer present. Where are you getting this information that they didn't cooperate with the police?

[modsnip] The facts show they did interview with the police and they did share all the information they could.

It's not necessarily that I think that they are innocent. It's that the logic being used as "evidence" of their guilt in most of these comments are not logical, are not based on facts.

Instead we get "hinky meter" comments that come across much like the lady in the video to me.

I've watched an interview with Patsy Ramsey and the police. Her lawyer was in the room with her but she was definitely interviewed. They also provided handwriting samples which they would not have to do if they took the fifth.

I'm not seeing any logical factual discussion here.

I'm also seeing [modsnip] statements like "they wrapped her up lovingly in a blanket which proved their undoing"

Yeah, that makes sense, they wrapped her up lovingly in a blanket after they garroted her [modsnip].....:facepalm::facepalm:

 

[Linda7NJ]

[modsnip]


[modsnip]

They stalled and bargained for every interview & shred they gave. It took a long time.

John Ramsey was the first to say he believed it to be unintentional because she was wrapped up in that blanket.

There's been books published from none other than the legendary FBI profiler John Douglas ( on the Ramsey payroll) that speaks a great deal about the psychology of "undoing" The Anatomy of Motive and Mindhunter come to mind, even more has been written on the subject, I'm certain google could put together authors & titles.
Didn't John Douglas share his opinion that the killer was a young male with a resentment & jealousy of John Ramsey? If you consider that with information about "staging" and "undoing" and who typically stages and who typically wraps up child victims....a STONG case can be made that there was more than one hand involved in that crime scene.

Considering all of the information John Douglas had to work with came from the Ramsey Spin team....I don't find it odd he came to the conclusion he did.

All IMO

 

[MyBelle]

[modsnip]

I think it's pretty common knowledge that police do have "hinky meters" while they are talking to folks. They know talking to police and telling police the truth are not remotely the same thing, imo.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcas...ld-case-timeline-jonbenet-ramsey-case/4421/2/



Jan. 22: Ramsey family reportedly refuses to submit to polygraph tests.

Feb. 12: Ramseys refuse to agree to police conditions on interviews.

 

[Chewy]

Hinky meters guide the investigation they don't count as evidence


She was tasered, where did they hide it? Where is the duct tape roll?


These are thing that bother me that it seems like people just ignore since it doesn't support their pet theory

The evidence observed by police at the scene strongly suggests that the attack came from someone outside the house; for instance:

A footprint made by a Hi-Tec stamped hiking boot was found in the concrete dust of the wine cellar. The boot has not been connected to any of the Ramseys or to the 400 people or more who have been to the Ramsey house.

An unidentified palm print was found on the door of the wine cellar. It does not belong to John, Patsy or Burke Ramsey.

A pubic hair was found on the blanket in which JonBenet was wrapped. It does not belong to John, Patsy or Burke Ramsey.

A piece of broken glass was found under a basement window. The window was open and the sill showed signs of disturbance.

There was a scuff-mark on the basement wall below the window. Someone had to have climbed in or out of this window (however, no footprints were found outside the window).

The duct tape and the cord used in the murder were not found in the Ramsey house. The offender must have brought them in and taken them out when he/she left the house after the murder.

Just ignoring questions is not objective

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hinky meters guide the investigation they don't count as evidence


She was tasered, where did they hide it? Where is the duct tape roll?


These are thing that bother me that it seems like people just ignore since it doesn't support their pet theory




Just ignoring questions is not objective

I don't believe she was tasered, there was no stun gun involved. IMO

I believed the tape was used purely as staging and had been used on something else prior to being re-used on JonBenet

 

[Chewy]

In your opinion???


See I'm looking for a logical answer, not hinky meters and opinions

Logical to me would be "they snuck it out of the house with one of the visitors "


ok nix the taser, what about the duct tape?


http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682465/Duct Tape on Mouth

 

[Linda7NJ]

In your opinion???


See I'm looking for a logical answer, not hinky meters and opinions

Logical to me would be "they snuck it out of the house with one of the visitors "


ok nix the taser, what about the duct tape?

For all I know it could have been in a sack right next to the remaining opened package of Bloomingdales size 12 panties. It could have been removed along with the oil painting and golf bag & clubs. How did that package of panties disappear for years?

Remember john was missing that morning...went for a walk? Really?

 

[MyBelle]

I don't believe she was tasered, there was no stun gun involved. IMO

I believed the tape was used purely as staging and had been used on something else prior to being re-used on JonBenet

I don't believe she was tasered, either.