GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #1

[ScarlettScarpetta]

That they are 12 is not a fact that speaks to anything other than their age.

I think that we should just agree to disagree at this point.

12 is pre full puberty for many kids. It is a child state not an adult state.

They are little kids. IT matters a lot.

 

[ellemo]

Are you serious? They could have been planning this painting their nails at a sleepover. What parent thinks their daughter is planning a murder, hanging out down the hall with their best friend? It only takes talking to plan this. That's it. Their parents can be coming in the room every 5 minutes, and they would still never be able to know that's what they were talking about.

It's not like they were working on maps and storing weapons under the mattress.

You literally know NOTHING about this family. You claim to know so much, and it's just ridiculous.

Or they could have discussed this on the school bust, at lunchtime at school, in the hallways, passed notes during class (do kids do that anymore???). if you read the police complaint, the one girl said they had code words for what they were doing. So they were quite adept at talking about this w/o anyone knowing.

Perhaps the parents were not actively parenting. Maybe they were actively parenting, saw signs, had a "not my daughter attitude" and ignored them. Maybe they saw no signs at all. We don't know.

 

[appleeye]

The problem is the Parents are ultimately responsible for their minor children. There is a reason that children need supervision and these two did not apparently have it. They were invested in an urban legend so much they killed over it.

Yes and no. At 12 one is deemed able to take care of themselves and others. They can babysit. They can go to the mall themselves. 12 year olds have free will and use it often. They can make most decisions for themselves.

I don't blame the parents. I blame the girls that know right from wrong. That knew that hurting someone was not an okay thing (and even said so in a statement). At this point, a parent did not tell them to do it, go with them to do it or buy them the weapon. I really think we have to be careful with blaming the parents. They are victims also... just like any other parent that has had a child hurt someone and is mortified.

 

[appleeye]

I will not judge them until I have walked a mile in their shoes.

God help those that have had this experience.

 

[Zuri]

No. Not at any age. IT is one thing if a child grows up and makes hideous choices on their own. That happens. I have seen amazing parents have crappy adult children.

But these are still little kids. 12 is young and undeveloped and needs active parenting.

It is different. Really different.

If my 12 yr old had the where with all to rob a bank. I am pretty darn sure the cops would be taking me apart.

SS, I agree with most of what you are saying. It is shocking when any kid commits a heinous crime against another human being. The brain of a 12 year old has not even fully developed. I just can't make the leap and blame these parents for not recognizing that something was amiss, especially if their child's behavior was what they considered to be normal for her.

 

[blue22]

Or they could have discussed this on the school bust, at lunchtime at school, in the hallways, passed notes during class (do kids do that anymore???). if you read the police complaint, the one girl said they had code words for what they were doing. So they were quite adept at talking about this w/o anyone knowing.

Perhaps the parents were not actively parenting. Maybe they were actively parenting, saw signs, had a "not my daughter attitude" and ignored them. Maybe they saw no signs at all. We don't know.

EXACTLY. Thank you.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes and no. At 12 one is deemed able to take care of themselves and others. They can babysit. They can go to the mall themselves. 12 year olds have free will and use it often. They can make most decisions for themselves.

I don't blame the parents. I blame the girls that know right from wrong. That knew that hurting someone was not an okay thing (and even said so in a statement). At this point, a parent did not tell them to do it, go with them to do it or buy them the weapon. I really think we have to be careful with blaming the parents. They are victims also... just like any other parent that has had a child hurt someone and is mortified.

At 12, That is debatable. I would not let a 12 yr old watch my minor children. I did not babysit until 14 and I am sure that at 12 there are still many states were it would not be legal for a 12 year old to be in charge. Nevertheless they are still kids. They are not away at college. They are home.

I don't know what these girls knew. To me it screams of kids who had no guidance. To be able to plan and do something like this, I'm sorry, I think a lot of this lays at the parents feet.

 

[appleeye]

News reports state that at least one of these girls knew what they were doing was wrong.

[modsnip].

They were reading spooky stories online. How on Earth would anyone ever think that their minds would make the leap between fantasy and real life like this.

 

[Spice]

For the sake of this debate I have a question:

Nancy Lanza brought her son target shooting, gifted him with multiple guns, and allowed him to consume violent imagery for hours and hours on end and play first person shooter games when when he had documented social and psychological problems. In fact, she herself had become scared of him. Is her parenting lacking? Does she have blood on her hands? Absolutely.

Skylar Neese's Murderer Rachel, came from a very strict, affluent, religious, household, where her mother kept up appearances of perfection and monitored her (at least in theory or in her mind) and sent her to Christian Camp.She was an honors student. Rachel lured and helped to stab her best friend 50 times.

Is Rachel's mother negligent and lacking in parenting skills?

 

[blue22]

At 12, That is debatable. I would not let a 12 yr old watch my minor children. I did not babysit until 14 and I am sure that at 12 there are still many states were it would not be legal for a 12 year old to be in charge. Nevertheless they are still kids. They are not away at college. They are home.

I don't know what these girls knew. To me it screams of kids who had no guidance. To be able to plan and do something like this, I'm sorry, I think a lot of this lays at the parents feet.

And if this was not planned at home, or very little was. Whose feet do you lay it on then? If their behavior was completely normal in every facet of their life, and there was no flags to something being wrong...whose feet then? It's entirely possible, that almost none of this happened at home. If that's the case, who do you blame?

It seems to me, you'd prefer to not need to blame the girls who attempted murder. What happens if it comes out, that they are actually entirely responsible? Whose fault is it then?

Eta: How do you explain them talking in code? Clearly, they knew if they were caught talking about this, they would get into trouble. That does not smell of girls whose parents were not around. They were afraid of someone knowing.

 

[appleeye]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/03/wisconsin-girls-charged-stabbing-interrogation

"The bad part of me wanted her to die, the good part of me wanted her to live," one of the girls told police.

In a statement provided to the Guardian by an attorney representing one of the girls, the girl's parents said: "We wish to express our deepest sympathies and extend our heartfelt prayers to the victim and her family. Since learning of this tragic event on Saturday, we have been overwhelmed with anguish, both for the victim and our daughter. Our hearts are heavy with sadness as we try to understand what happened. We thank everyone who has reached out to us as we struggle to understand these events. Not a moment passes when we do not think about, and pray for, the victim and her family. We ask that our privacy be respected as this process unfolds and as we try to find answers to these difficult questions."

 

[appleeye]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/0...ged-in-wisconsin-stabbing-say-girls-had-good/

Most residents in their Waukesha neighborhood didn't want to talk to reporters Tuesday. They said they were still trying to wrap their minds around the allegations. But neighbors who did agree to talk said the girls came from good families and that the parents were responsible guardians who doted on their children.

 

[Karmady]

News reports state that at least one of these girls knew what they were doing was wrong.

I do hope that your child never does anything like this. Do you go with your 12 year old every time they go to the park, walk from school, hang out in their room chatting, go to the mall? the library? You can not be responsible for every single waking moment of their lives at 12.

They were reading spooky stories online. How on Earth would anyone ever think that their minds would make the leap between fantasy and real life like this.

~bbm

This. My daughter went through a Slenderman phase. Sometimes she'd freak herself out so bad she wanted to sleep in my bed. I didn't think anything of it at all. To me, it was no different than the Stephen King books I was reading at her age that caused me to sleep with the covers up to my ears - in July. She mentioned Slenderman to me several, if not many, times and I still didn't think anything of it. As far as I was concerned, it was harmless. So maybe this girl's parents felt the same way. Maybe they did know that she was into it and didn't see any harm. I very much doubt the girl was talking to her parents about planning to kill a friend. jmo

 

[x_files]

I agree that it was their motivation.. Now how did they have so much time to put into slenderman and worrying about him and not show their hand???

Where are their parents?

They put together the plan at school, and the school bus and spoke in code used "cracker" for knife and camping for going away in the woods with Slenderman according to the affidavit. So even a helicopter parent wouldn't know what they were planning.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/slenderman-stabbing-911-call_n_5447060.html

 

[blue22]

They put together the plan at school, and the school bus and spoke in code used "cracker" for knife and camping for going away in the woods with Slenderman according to the affidavit. So even a helicopter parent wouldn't know what they were planning.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/slenderman-stabbing-911-call_n_5447060.html

That's the flaw in blaming the parents. When a plan is hatched somewhere the parents have no control, and their behavior is not different at home...

It's just at some point, people need to realize that a 12 year old can still be responsible for your actions. I totally agree with you.

 

[Spice]

Geyser stated they went near some trees in the woods and then "Stabby stab stab".

I have no words.

 

[x_files]

That's the flaw in blaming the parents. When a plan is hatched somewhere the parents have no control, and their behavior is not different at home...

It's just at some point, people need to realize that a 12 year old can still be responsible for your actions. I totally agree with you.

Yes, I am waiting for further info before I blame the parents.
Twelve year olds should know better if not to believe in folk tales and right from wrong that stabbing their best friend was wrong, if not they have developmental problems, or mental illness undiagnosed.
It's delusional to believe a fictitious character was real.
I do want to know more about the parents or if the girl's were abused by others in their life.

 

[CHERIE.T]

bbm

OK That to me could be the avenue.

What if?
If the blonde is the one that is being spoken about as the intelligent one, what if she sees/knows that the brunette will do what ever I tell her, and what if the brunette fell for the story of slender being real by the person she admires most, and that in the name of slender and for slender we have to do this. idk But one thing I do know is that three is a crowd. I know that growing up three never played well together. jmo

bbm
That may seen silly to some BUT that is so very true, especially with girls.
I'm glad you made that point.

 

[Spice]

Weir often called Geyser "Kitty" because she has cats.

"Dont worry, I'm just a little kitty cat".

I feel sick from re-reading this complaint.

 

[CHERIE.T]

The girls ultimately decided to carry out the attack in the park while playing a game of hide-and-seek.

"As they left for the park ... (the victim) was walking in front of them and G lifted up the left side of her white jacket and displayed the knife tucked in her waistband," the complaint says. "W stated she gave G a look with wide eyes and, when asked what that meant, W stated, 'I thought, dear god, this was really happening.' "

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/justice/wisconsin-stabbing/

It would appear that W did not know that it was going to happen until the knife was displayed. jmo

Not buying that story...they didn't just decide to attempt murder.
They had a knife with them.