GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #1

[oyeyemi808]

I can see the fruit of the labor. Im sorry but when 2 12 yr olds have the time opportunity and mind set to murder, Something is wrong here. very wrong.

You don't think the parents are to blame? Thats okay..
But what I see, Looking at it there is something wrong with homes that produce 2 12 yr old killers obsessed with internet fancy.

I agree 1000%!!!

droid razr Maxx

 

[Mrs G Norris]

For the sake of this debate I have a question:

Nancy Lanza brought her son target shooting, gifted him with multiple guns, and allowed him to consume violent imagery for hours and hours on end and play first person shooter games when when he had documented social and psychological problems. In fact, she herself had become scared of him. Is her parenting lacking? Does she have blood on her hands? Absolutely.

Skylar Neese's Murderer Rachel, came from a very strict, affluent, religious, household, where her mother kept up appearances of perfection and monitored her (at least in theory or in her mind) and sent her to Christian Camp.She was an honors student. Rachel lured and helped to stab her best friend 50 times.

Is Rachel's mother negligent and lacking in parenting skills?

You can also flip the argument another way, what about the child who grows up in an abusive household, who is raped by relatives and at the age of 13 gives birth to a baby, then goes on to become a spokesperson for personal growth like Oprah Winfrey, should her parents be applauded for a job well done? A child is an individual .. they carve their own path in life, and may react in different ways to both negative and positive stimulation.

 

[oyeyemi808]

The issue here is that I do not know "how much freedom " they actually had.

None of us do.

Well I know they had enough freedom attempt Murder .

droid razr Maxx

 

[Spice]

Please don't stop posting. I value my privacy and don't choose to be verified, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to post about information technology or online video games (my profession of many years) if I have something valid to add to the discussion. The internet, technology and video games obviously come up frequently with regards to cases, just like mental illness. You've done a lot to keep this thread sane and on track.

Thank you for your kindest of words. No worries, I'm not going anywhere and really enjoy posting with all of you and processing all of the different perspectives. It makes it all the more interesting....

 

[Spice]

Do you mean Velma? Daphne was the "hot" redhead.

Velma!!! Yes, the bespeckled one.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Yes and no. At 12 one is deemed able to take care of themselves and others. They can babysit. They can go to the mall themselves. 12 year olds have free will and use it often. They can make most decisions for themselves.

I don't blame the parents. I blame the girls that know right from wrong. That knew that hurting someone was not an okay thing (and even said so in a statement). At this point, a parent did not tell them to do it, go with them to do it or buy them the weapon. I really think we have to be careful with blaming the parents. They are victims also... just like any other parent that has had a child hurt someone and is mortified.

They can baby sit at 12 so they can attempt murder>
sheeze

 

[appleeye]

Well I know they had enough freedom attempt Murder .

droid razr Maxx

It only takes one minute. I think may be overestimating how much freedom it takes to do this.

A life can be ended in seconds. Hide and seek in the forest is a pretty normal behaviour for a 12 year old, IMO. They lived steps away. I don't think we will ever agree but I feel for the families of all three girls.

I especially feel badly for the girl that will never trust her friends again.

The blame game will not help her, though and I don't think any of us will ever understand why.

 

[Salem]

Okay - remember that we are a victim friendly forum. The parents of both girls are considered victims of their respective daughter's horrid behavior here. Casting blame on them is not allowed.

General comments about parenting, can stand but specific comments about these individual sets of parents will not be allowed. So be careful with this line of discussion.

Salem

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

A good blog post about parental responsibility.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/teen/162053/should_parents_be_held_accountable

Truth be told, a kid with bad parenting can be a saint and a kid with excellent parenting can be trouble.

Like the article says, what is one supposed to do, call the police and say, I think my child may murder someone? You are supposed to be able to predict that?

So you monitor them. And they still kill someone. What then? oh that's right, some person on the internet says it is your fault even though you killed yourself being a parent. Or you don't monitor them. You beat them and abuse them and they become a doctor... can you take credit for that? No. Sometimes your kids will just be who they are no matter how hard we try to not make them that way.

The thing is, this is not normal kid stealing candy at 12, Or fighting.. This is 2 12 yr olds that wanted to kill someone for some monster that lived in the woods. That shows me these kids were not getting proper supervision.

It is one thing when a 15 16 17 yr old does this. But these are 12 yr olds. To think that the parenting has nothing to do with this situation is just amazing to me.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

True. Amazing how much support these 2 twelve year old attempted murderers
are getting here.

A-M-E-N.

I think they need to be punished but someone needs to be looking into this further. There is more here.

 

[appleeye]

Not one person is supporting the actions of the 12 year olds. No one is excusing their behaviour or what they did.

I, personally am saying leave the parents out of it. The have not been charged with anything.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

"people that trust you are very gullible'

http://www.scribd.com/doc/228165650/Slenderman-Stabbing-Criminal-Complaint

Spoken like a true sociopath .. or rather a callous unemotional youth .. IMO.

ETA .. then 'it was weird that I didn't feel remorse' ..

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Not one person is supporting the actions of the 12 year olds. No one is excusing their behaviour or what they did.

I, personally am saying leave the parents out of it. The have not been charged with anything.

While I am not accusing the parents of anything, there is something wrong here and it can be explained by Parental issues.

People are saying the kids are mentally ill, or whatever. I don't see that. I see underdeveloped brains left to run crazy. There was not balance in their life. They were obsessed and I am sorry that is not something a 12 yr old can hide well if they are being monitored as 12 yr old should be. Normal conversations, Check ins..

 

[Spice]

"people that trust you are very gullible'

http://www.scribd.com/doc/228165650/Slenderman-Stabbing-Criminal-Complaint

Spoken like a true sociopath .. or rather a callous unemotional youth .. IMO.

ETA .. then 'it was weird that I didn't feel remorse' ..

I saw that and that is exactly what I thought. It's chilling. CHILLING.

 

[x_files]

I noticed that. Facially similar.

I fail to see the similarities except for the same nose shape, and both had dingy dirty hair.
No judgement but I see two completely face types.
M blue eyes A: brown

 

[Salem]

"people that trust you are very gullible'

http://www.scribd.com/doc/228165650/Slenderman-Stabbing-Criminal-Complaint

Spoken like a true sociopath .. or rather a callous unemotional youth .. IMO.

ETA .. then 'it was weird that I didn't feel remorse' ..

This implies to me, that this particular girl did some reading up on psychopaths/sociopaths or some other psychological issue that brought these words/symptoms/issues up. Not normal language for the average 12 year old to my way of thinking.

Salem

 

[Salem]

I think the parenting issue has been discussed enough. Everyone seems to have had their say, so let's drop that issue. As a victim friendly site, it goes against the grain.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This implies to me, that this particular girl did some reading up on psychopaths/sociopaths or some other psychological issue that brought these words/symptoms/issues up. Not normal language for the average 12 year old to my way of thinking.

Salem

That is what is leading me to unattended 12 yr olds. It seems to me that they were working on this a long time and really looking into the whole thing from lot of angles.

 

[Nymeria]

I fail to see the similarities except for the same nose shape, and both had dingy dirty hair.
No judgement but I see two completely face types.
M blue eyes A: brown

It was the noses, yes.
I did not even really look at their eyes.
The shapes of the faces too, IIRC.
I only glanced at the pics with article though, but that did stick in my mind.

 

[x_files]

This implies to me, that this particular girl did some reading up on psychopaths/sociopaths or some other psychological issue that brought these words/symptoms/issues up. Not normal language for the average 12 year old to my way of thinking.

Salem

Strange language for a child, pre-teen.