GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #1

[Spice]

I think it would blow a lot of parent's minds what the most supervised, watched, controlled, and monitored children are actually up too.

 

[blue22]

Yes, yes I do. Because there is a child that was nearly murdered by these two. Can't really plan that and do it while being supervised.

This is not parents missing something who are involved. For a child to go this far and be this off the mark, there is little active parenting going on. IMO

Are you serious? They could have been planning this painting their nails at a sleepover. What parent thinks their daughter is planning a murder, hanging out down the hall with their best friend? It only takes talking to plan this. That's it. Their parents can be coming in the room every 5 minutes, and they would still never be able to know that's what they were talking about.

It's not like they were working on maps and storing weapons under the mattress.

You literally know NOTHING about this family. You claim to know so much, and it's just ridiculous.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Are you serious? They could have been planning this painting their nails at a sleepover. What parent thinks their daughter is planning a murder, hanging out down the hall with their best friend? It only takes talking to plan this. That's it. Their parents can be coming in the room every 5 minutes, and they would still never be able to know that's what they were talking about.

It's not like they were working on maps and storing weapons under the mattress.

You literally know NOTHING about this family. You claim to know so much, and it's just ridiculous.

I can see the fruit of the labor. Im sorry but when 2 12 yr olds have the time opportunity and mind set to murder, Something is wrong here. very wrong.

You don't think the parents are to blame? Thats okay..
But what I see, Looking at it there is something wrong with homes that produce 2 12 yr old killers obsessed with internet fancy.

 

[Spice]

There is also the school of thought that the more you "supervise" or the more "strict" your parenting style is the slicker your children become. They become adept at hiding things and getting away with things. Some will respond and be "rank and file" and others will rebel and sneak. No two children are the same even when raised by the same set of parents.

Children are not robotic programmable machines, they are human beings with a sense of self determination and agency. Especially pre teens and teens. They are going to find a way to do what they want to do. From the mundane to the to the risky, to the horrific.

 

[Zuri]

Yes, yes I do. Because there is a child that was nearly murdered by these two. Can't really plan that and do it while being supervised.

This is not parents missing something who are involved. For a child to go this far and be this off the mark, there is little active parenting going on. IMO

I truly hope that your children never do anything untoward, wrong, or outside the realm of your parenting. You could be saying this about me, every person I know. Not one of us has a perfect child. Not one of us is a perfect parent. Speaking in absolutes adds nothing to this tragedy. JMV

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I truly hope that your children never do anything untoward, wrong, or outside the realm of your parenting. You could be saying this about me, every person I know. Not one of us has a perfect child. Into one of us is a perfect parent. Speaking in absolutes adds nothing to this tragedy. JMV

This is not about a child doing something wrong. It is about way more than that. 2 12 yr olds that planned and executed a murder even if they did not kill the child.
That is way beyond the normal smoking in the bathroom or dating a bad guy.

All kids do things wrong. They are supposed to.. This goes far far beyond that. It shows to me a history of either getting away with things or not feeling any parental influence at all.

 

[Spice]

I can see the fruit of the labor. Im sorry but when 2 12 yr olds have the time opportunity and mind set to murder, Something is wrong here. very wrong.

You don't think the parents are to blame? Thats okay..
But what I see, Looking at it there is something wrong with homes that produce 2 12 yr old killers obsessed with internet fancy.

[modsnip]

We like to think we can control every single thing, especially our children, but the reality is that we cannot.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There is also the school of thought that the more you "supervise" or the more "strict" your parenting style is the slicker your children become. They become adept at hiding things and getting away with things. Some will respond and be "rank and file" and others will rebel and sneak. No two children are the same even when raised by the same set of parents.

Children are not robotic programmable machines, they are human beings with a sense of self determination and agency. Especially pre teens and teens. They are going to find a way to do what they want to do. From the mundane to the to the risky, to the horrific.

IT certainly is a balance but 12 yr old should not be having this much freedom wot be getting away with murder. IMO

 

[blue22]

I can see the fruit of the labor. Im sorry but when 2 12 yr olds have the time opportunity and mind set to murder, Something is wrong here. very wrong.

You don't think the parents are to blame? Thats okay..
But what I see, Looking at it there is something wrong with homes that produce 2 12 yr old killers obsessed with internet fancy.

I never said I don't think they aren't to blame. I have no idea. I'm not willing to absolve these girls of blame and place it on the parents. I don't know enough.

I simply object to you saying you KNOW they were unsupervised, and you know these parents are to blame. You have no evidence to be the basis of this. You have feelings.

I think you are reacting based upon emotion. That no 12 year old could be capable of this, without something terribly wrong in the home. That's just not true. Even children from good homes have turned out to be serial killers. Even girls from good homes have killed friends. People (even minors) are inherently capable of darkness and violence, and they don't have to live in troubled homes to do so.

When your child(ren) grow up and tell you things they did without you knowing, you will realize there is no parent good enough to be plugged into everything.

To add: I wouldn't be surprised in the least to find these girls have a special ability to manipulate and fool others. I grew up in a house with a sister like that. A perfect parent couldn't have even know the half of her. She had the world fooled, even psychologists for a good while.

 

[Zuri]

I can see the fruit of the labor. Im sorry but when 2 12 yr olds have the time opportunity and mind set to murder, Something is wrong here. very wrong.

You don't think the parents are to blame? Thats okay..
But what I see, Looking at it there is something wrong with homes that produce 2 12 yr old killers obsessed with internet fancy.

I agree that something is wrong here, but perhaps it is more prudent to wait for more information to come forth before you judge someone else's parenting. I think both sets of parents are probably in such shock and are blaming themselves more than you could ever know. Just sayin.

 

[Zuri]

This is not about a child doing something wrong. It is about way more than that. 2 12 yr olds that planned and executed a murder even if they did not kill the child.
That is way beyond the normal smoking in the bathroom or dating a bad guy.

All kids do things wrong. They are supposed to.. This goes far far beyond that. It shows to me a history of either getting away with things or not feeling any parental influence at all.

So if your child commits an armed robbery, what say you then?

 

[Spice]

IT certainly is a balance but 12 yr old should not be having this much freedom wot be getting away with murder. IMO

The issue here is that I do not know "how much freedom " they actually had.

None of us do.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am ready to give two 12 yr old the benefit of the doubt more than the adults involved. Why?

Because kids that age are susceptible to all kinds of influences. Most parents are more diligent at these ages because it is a hard time for kids to transition from kid to young adult to adult.
These are kids. Really little kids who tried to kill another kid.

They are impressionable and easily swayed.

I think they should be taken into the juvie system and punished while still getting counseling and help.

It is not the kids job to navigate life alone. That is why parents are legally responsible for them until adulthood.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So if your child commits an armed robbery, what say you then?

At 12??? Then by all means feel free to come and trash me..

 

[Spice]

I am ready to give two 12 yr old the benefit of the doubt more than the adults involved. Why?

Because kids that age are susceptible to all kinds of influences. Most parents are more diligent at these ages because it is a hard time for kids to transition from kid to young adult to adult.
These are kids. Really little kids who tried to kill another kid.

They are impressionable and easily swayed.

I think they should be taken into the juvie system and punished while still getting counseling and help.

It is not the kids job to navigate life alone. That is why parents are legally responsible for them until adulthood.

I agree with everything that you just said, I just do not agree with the assumption, and it is an assumption, that is based on emotion and not fact that these parents were negligible in some way.

In my experience black and white thinking and thinking in absolutes are not productive in any way.

If I know everything about the parents off the bat without any information to base my opinion on, how will I ever learn anything about them? Or anything else for that matter.

I will not judge them. Not until I hear more about them and from them.

 

[Zuri]

I am ready to give two 12 yr old the benefit of the doubt more than the adults involved. Why?

Because kids that age are susceptible to all kinds of influences. Most parents are more diligent at these ages because it is a hard time for kids to transition from kid to young adult to adult.
These are kids. Really little kids who tried to kill another kid.

They are impressionable and easily swayed.

I think they should be taken into the juvie system and punished while still getting counseling and help.

It is not the kids job to navigate life alone. That is why parents are legally responsible for them until adulthood.

I think being a parent is the hardest job in the world and a job that is never done. I hope we can learn more as time passes. Perhaps a plea deal will be reached and these 2 girls can get the help they desperately need.

 

[Zuri]

At 12??? Then by all means feel free to come and trash me..

At any age really.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I agree with everything that you just said, I just do not agree with the assumption, and it is an assumption that is based on emotion and not fact that these parents were negligible in some way.

Not until I hear more about them and from them.

It is not based on emotion it is based on the facts in this case. That they are 12.
Not 16. At 16, I would not feel this way.

The age of the children, The events involved the motive all show evidence of something very very wrong here. And not just with the kids.

 

[Spice]

It is not based on emotion it is based on the facts in this case. That they are 12.
Not 16. At 16, I would not feel this way.

The age of the children, The events involved the motive all show evidence of something very very wrong here. And not just with the kids.

That they are 12 is not a fact that speaks to anything other than their age.

I think that we should just agree to disagree at this point.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

At any age really.

No. Not at any age. IT is one thing if a child grows up and makes hideous choices on their own. That happens. I have seen amazing parents have crappy adult children.

But these are still little kids. 12 is young and undeveloped and needs active parenting.

It is different. Really different.

If my 12 yr old had the where with all to rob a bank. I am pretty darn sure the cops would be taking me apart.