GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #1

[Karmady]

"He noted something else, too: The creepypasta community is not intended for girls as young as Weier and Geyser.

Some stories require a birth date to confirm the reader is at least 18.

"I've never known of a creepypasta user as young as 12," he said."

Edit-THAT is interesting. Most of the parents posting here have mentioned their younger kids knowing all about Slenderman. Is he really this clueless?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...site-creators-home-b99285464z1-262059961.html

I think he's in CYA mode. My dd totally lost interest in it past 13. And her original interest was fleeting and driven by what was popular in her group. Not something she looked for on her own.

 

[Karmady]

a creepypasta website creator lived blocks from stabbing!?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...site-creators-home-b99285464z1-262059961.html

ok, I read the link and this guy is not a creator whatsoever of slenderman or creepypasta. He created an FB page for followers of those sites. jmo

 

[bt208]

"He noted something else, too: The creepypasta community is not intended for girls as young as Weier and Geyser.

Some stories require a birth date to confirm the reader is at least 18.

"I've never known of a creepypasta user as young as 12," he said."

Edit-THAT is interesting. Most of the parents posting here have mentioned their younger kids knowing all about Slenderman. Is he really this clueless?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...site-creators-home-b99285464z1-262059961.html

The 11 and 12 year olds I know from my neighborhood know about a slenderman game. They've seen kids play it on their i-pad. I don't know about their knowledge of creepypasta fiction. And wow! To your earlier point, I think it's possible these girls id'd a nearby IP address. Near the nicolet forest perhaps? The mansion?

 

[bt208]

ok, I read the link and this guy is not a creator whatsoever of slenderman or creepypasta. He created an FB page for followers of those sites. jmo

Karmandy,according to the article, this is the creepypasta site he manages. It's not a fb page,:

http://creepypastanetwork.com/

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I was thinking about this .. in her conversation with police, Weier says that many people do not believe that Slenderman is real and she wants to prove the skeptics wrong .. so I figure there is some kind of online debate going on about this somewhere, here is an answer from Yahoo Answers about it ..

Is Slender Man real or fake?

I saw a documentary online and it has a decalssified tape about a man's daughter disappearing, and the cop who's interviewing him gets taken. The whole hornet something rather series shows some pretty creepy and realistic stuff too. And after all, it is possible to have such a creature. Theories and explanations please?

This is the doco: THE FOLLOWER: THE SLENDER MAN DOCUMENTARY - YouTube
Here is another one: Slender-Man Info and Documentary - YouTube

Leah answered 3 months ago
He is real if you believe in him, and your mind will make it real, or if you think hes fake, then hes not real then. I'm sure you'll be fine if you don't think about Slender. There had been people who had seen slender, but disappeared and nowhere to be found, and by that, I mean the ppl were missing. Don't believe in him. Please.

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110616172538AA6GrSv

So from that does that mean, that if these girls DECIDED to make him real, they could do so by committing this crime and THEN be able to find and enter his mansion and live with him .. does that make sense?

Proof that he is fake: Proof that Slender Man is fake - YouTube (bear with me on all this) ..

The Slenderman is real proof: Slender-Man Sightings Scary Pictures ! - YouTube

From Creepypasta: http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Slender_Man

Breakdown from DeviantArt on how old woodcuts were altered to show that Slenderman is not real: http://annoyedslendermanfan.deviantart.com/art/Regarding-Slenderman-Throughout-The-Ages-347375664

The point I am making is that everywhere you look at this story online you find exasperated people telling the occasional poster that they need to see this proof, stop posting 'in character' (if they are) and understand that Slenderman is NOT REAL but was made up, they then give links to show the origin of the tale, only a few posts later to be confronted by another Slenderman believer and having to go through the entire process again.

I think the girls were likely part of a forum where they were in heated discussions with Slenderman skeptics .. since in the mythos of Slenderman if you believe in him he becomes real, and your mind will make him real, then in order to win their argument, they may have literally made themselves believe in order to manifest him, as it were.

Here are the early video's that supported the Slenderman myth:

Introduction - YouTube

Entry #1 - YouTube

Every great horror story is written as if real, otherwise there would be no fun in it, but I wonder .. these girls were likely arguing with people a lot older than they are, who may have wanted to mess with them a little, because as 12 year old kids they would have come across as impossibly naive and of course another poster would not know their actual age.

Just a thought. Perhaps someone online even suggested they try to become proxies to find out?

 

[blue22]

Agree. I think there will be no trial. There may be an issue with the confessions, though. They're minors and their parents or attorneys weren't present, apparently, when they waived their rights. That said, I think I've read today that a Wisconsin attorney tried a similar case against two teen boys who killed one of their great grandmothers. In that case, they also were questioned w/o parents or attorneys present and they both were convicted and it's not overturned. Not sure if it's on appeal, but the lawyer commenting didn't say that it was and I think he would have said so if that was the case.

By law, their parents or lawyer don't have to be there for them to waive their rights. The confession was obtained legally. The police did not proceed until after they read their miranda rights and they waived their rights. None of which require a parent or lawyer.

 

[blue22]

It is their fault. They are only 12.

However, the childrens brains are about 10 years away from being fully developed.

Their brains don't need to be fully developed to know you don't lure your friend to the woods and try to slaughter them.

 

[Karmady]

Karmandy,according to the article, this is the creepypasta site he manages. It's not a fb page,:

http://creepypastanetwork.com/

Ok, but still not even remotely a creator of slenderman or creepypasta and nothing to do with this that we know of other than living close by.

 

[giagreen]

I wonder if maybe they could have been talking to others online who were filling their heads full of crap.

 

[Karmady]

By law, their parents or lawyer don't have to be there for them to waive their rights. The confession was obtained legally. The police did not proceed until after they read their miranda rights and they waived their rights. None of which require a parent or lawyer.

If you have a link, I'll defer. But I think that's kind of a gray issue. When school police have wanted to talk to my child, they've acted like they could without my consent. But when push came to shove, they did not. I tell my kids to never, ever, ever speak to the police when they come to you without calling me first and tell them you won't talk to them without your parent being present. I wonder if state law varies. I wouldn't think so since it appears to be a constitutional issue, but idk for sure.

 

[Ausgirl]

I wonder if maybe they could have been talking to others online who were filling their heads full of crap.

Considering that Creepypasta has ties to 4chan (home of Anonymous, btw) which is the Mecca of internet trolls, I would not at all be surprised.

*Some* of these people are truly nasty.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Their internet history is going to be an eye-opener.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I have found people online laughing about how they toy with people who believe in the Slenderman myth and how they go about reinforcing that belief .. if these girls were talking to these kinds of people, then it's going to be difficult for the person who has been messing with believers to actually work out if they were or not talking to the girls, because there are so many of them. I wager there's a lot of forum deleting going on based on these events.

 

[Nymeria]

Ok, but still not even remotely a creator of slenderman or creepypasta and nothing to do with this that we know of other than living close by.

Just to be clear, I was not implying he was the creator.
Just musing that one or both of these girls could have liked his "fansite" the most and therefore gone looking for info about it/him.
(Kind of like we all prefer WS, although there are quite a few other sleuthing forums out there. To each his own.)

 

[Ausgirl]

I have found people online laughing about how they toy with people who believe in the Slenderman myth and how they go about reinforcing that belief .. if these girls were talking to these kinds of people, then it's going to be difficult for the person who has been messing with believers to actually work out if they were or not talking to the girls, because there are so many of them. I wager there's a lot of forum deleting going on based on these events.

My thoughts exactly - and yep, I've seen it, too. Seen things vanish as well from one day to the next.

Like you said, the investigation of what's on the girl's computers will be interesting.

 

[blue22]

If you have a link, I'll defer. But I think that's kind of a gray issue. When school police have wanted to talk to my child, they've acted like they could without my consent. But when push came to shove, they did not. I tell my kids to never, ever, ever speak to the police when they come to you without calling me first and tell them you won't talk to them without your parent being present. I wonder if state law varies. I wouldn't think so since it appears to be a constitutional issue, but idk for sure.

It's not hard to find, you can just look up Wisconsin law. Anway, here is an article if you need it.

"For example, the attorney for one of the Wisconsin girls said she was questioned without a parent or lawyer present, which is legal if she didn't ask for one."

http://www.athensreview.com/breakin...onsin-stabbing-highlights-juvenile-crime-laws

There are better articles which state that the girls actually waived their right against self incrimination after miranda was read. I'm headed to bed, but I'm sure plenty will pop up if you do a search. Even so, of they don't ask for a lawyer...the police do not have to allow one.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

My thoughts exactly - and yep, I've seen it, too. Seen things vanish as well from one day to the next.

Like you said, the investigation of what's on the girl's computers will be interesting.

If you google Slenderman and 4 chan .. then try and click on the links in google you find that entire threads are no longer available. :facepalm:

 

[LinasK]

No, my daughter is 12 and she is very articulate. I am also the leader of a Girl Scout Troop of 12 and 13 years old. Most of them are very articulate as well. You can carry on an adult conversation with almost all of them, though some of the girl's attention span will wander. and they use realtively little social media shorthand. I am amazed, sometimes, of the high level things my daughter and her friends write or forward on their social media accounts

I just checked my daughter's Instagram and her friends as well and see no mention of Slenderman, though my daughter did say she kind of heard of him.

He and her friends post things like

OMG 1 Direction <3

Me & my best bud

"Whenever I hear people say that classical music is boring, I just want to remind them that Tchaikovsky&#8217;s 1812 Overature called for a cannon to be fired a total of 16 times."

"The starfish are coming. They will eat us all, take over the world and fly around on cows. " (which is very articulate, I guess, but after reading all this stuff I am left to wonder if it is just a silly nothing or code for something)

Yeah I asked my recently-turned 13-year-old if she'd heard of Slenderman, and she said I've heard of it, it's a scary video. That was the end of it. And she is highly articulate, but she is above average for her age.

 

[LinasK]

I have a feeling that her peers are telling a different story from her parents. I don't really find that odd. We all act differently depending on the crowd we are with to some degree. Her parents may have had no clue and even the classmates had no clue this was coming but both sets of friends, family and acquaintances may have seen different behaviors and sides to these girls.

I personally find it not a good idea to let your 12 year old have access to the web for long periods or unsupervised/unmonitored but I am not condemning parents at this point for not picking up on the fact that something was going wrong. Too soon for me to be comfortable with that. But kids show themselves in different ways to different folks/groups. The behave in ways they know they can with each group IME. With grandparents and other adults my children tend to show their best sides. To me, they show their least attractive sides. I have no clue how my kids present themselves to their peers when I am not around. I hope they do me proud. no reason has ever come up for me to think they do not, but do I KNOW? No. Because I may not bee there every second they are with peer group.

Oh I know my daughter knows how to behave. Other people come up and tell me how well behaved she is- just not with me! She has to butt heads and constantly challenge me.

 

[Karmady]

It's not hard to find, you can just look up Wisconsin law. Anway, here is an article if you need it.

"For example, the attorney for one of the Wisconsin girls said she was questioned without a parent or lawyer present, which is legal if she didn't ask for one."

http://www.athensreview.com/breakin...onsin-stabbing-highlights-juvenile-crime-laws

There are better articles which state that the girls actually waived their right against self incrimination after miranda was read. I'm headed to bed, but I'm sure plenty will pop up if you do a search. Even so, of they don't ask for a lawyer...the police do not have to allow one.

Like I said, I know what Wisconsin lawyers have said about it. It's still a gray issue. Very much a topic of controversy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-student-wheelchair-students-want-BACK.html