GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #2

[claudicici]

I've got mixed views. I've adult-now friends who 'grew up' on the chan sites, and are really decent people. Their views on 4chan helped me to see it all a little differently. One proposes that it's a natural foil to the increasingly oppressive and humourless atmosphere of political correctness, an outlet for 'incorrect' opinions (often simply blunt and non-sympathetic of blatant stupidity) and views. Not everyone there is like that, and certainly the truly vicious element is pretty small and owns its own corner of the site. But its tolerated, as how can they stand for freedom of speech and NOT tolerate it?

Anyway. Yes, the bullies and trolls there are pretty spectacular though. I think it's one thing to stand for freedom of speech, another thing to make it "cool" to actively cause people enormous distress and even harm.

...and of course 4chan is where Anonymous originated

 

[bt208]

One thing I have found all over the net is a lot of fan-fiction from the tweeny age group regarding "Slendy's mansion" (I assume this is from the game) and how all the "creepypastas" (Slenderman, Jeff the Killer, Smile Dog other unrelated creepypasta monsters) live there together.

Quite a few of them include a human protagonist who -wants- to join this crowd of killers, and having killed people themselves is a bonus toward that end.

So that might be a part of it. It certainly matches the age group.

Lots of chat-rp surrounding this.

I investigated the fan fiction after reading your post. Did any of the profiles make you think of MG or AW? A couple made me wonder.

 

[Spice]

I investigated the fan fiction after reading your post. Did any of the profiles make you think of MG or AW? A couple made me wonder.

Me too.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Loads of people write fanfic (I do). Loads of teens write terrible, imaginary fantasies as fanfic (I did. And oh, I hope I successfully scrubbed some of that embarrassment from the web). It's common for many fanfic writers to live out their own fantasies, or to craft some sort of wish fulfillment. Exhibit A - Fifty Shades of Gray.

Very, very few of these people are going to act on what they write. Some writers put their characters through the wringer. Others craft themselves into perfect "Mary Sues." But this is all fantasy, even if the story is dark or disturbing.

Perhaps these girls believed the fanfic, or wrote some of their own. But I wouldn't take it as any sort of manifesto or hard proof. Fanfic has been around before the internet, and I doubt there's any sort of hard link between writing it and action. It's possible, I suppose - but it's rather a rite of passage for nerdy kids on the internet, grappling with their sense of selves. Lots take a stab at it (no pun intended), without ever wanting to kill, or get down with Mr. Darcy, or what have you.

 

[Gardenlady]

I read tons of fanfic for some of my favorite games lol! Nice to hear we have a fanfic author here, not sure what you write but gonna give you a big general thanks for sharing your talent with us readers! Love fanfic authors!


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[LolaMoon08]

My 9-year-old niece came to visit me today and I was curious so I asked her if she knew who this Slendorman (or whatever it is) was and she proceeded to tell me what she heard. She told me he is a man, who during an experiment, his face was burned off and that he kills children. This child has NO facebook, twitter, instagram, her internet activity is HIGHLY supervised, etc... so I asked her HOW she knows about him. She said her older cousins (all boys) told her about him. I told her, "you know he is not real, right?" and she said, "Oh, I know he's a myth, but two 12-year-olds didn't and killed their friend." I was then VERY interested in how she even heard about THAT (we're in FLORIDA) and she said, "the news" and was very proud of the fact that she watches the news every night with her dad. :floorlaugh: (future websleuths member in the making).

I did pull my sister aside (my niece's mother) and told her that she and my bro-in-law probably should sit down and talk to her about it a little more. I personally see it as nothing more than older male cousins trying to scare their ONLY younger female cousin. We did this as children too.

I'm just saying that even children who don't have free access to the internet know about Slendorman.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

There is no possible way to keep kids away from the network of information out there IMO. I grew up in a very coddled environment, but unfortunately for my parents I went to school, so the minute I was through those gates I was filled in on all the TV (in those days) I wasn't allowed to watch, I was showed magazines that were completely off limits and wouldn't even have made it into our house, I was educated. If I found out any information I knew some kids wouldn't have access to about the 'darker sides of life' or 'secret adults business' I was damn fast to fill in all the other kids too. I am still remembered for filling the class in on how babies were made for instance, that information came to me when I was around 6 .. we were all lined up to go into the library so I went up the line saying 'do you know how babies are made?' if they said yes, I moved to the next kid, if they didn't know I filled them in quickly and moved on until the whole class knew the score. That's how kids operate .. we're curious beings, we want to know things, kids are well aware that parental figures are trying to keep them naive and will subvert it.

 

[Irisha]

BBM. I actually think that's the real motive. There wasn't room for her anymore, they wanted her gone. We've seen it before!

A 12 year old is not going to outsmart forensic psychologists. I do think they will find she/they are mentally disturbed. I don't think they will find they were delusional and killed for slenderman.

I do not think these 2 within 1 millimeter almost killers are mentally disturbed.The 1st person who came to mind when I heard about this case was Alyssa Bustamante who killed Elizabeth Olten in Jefferson City, Mo. no reason. These 2 chose slenderman as a reason, excuse. How can 2 suposseded well rounded, well behaved kids, become so enthrawared with a fictional internet non person. They didn't. They just wanted to kill her. I cut them no slack, It's a miracle their victim survived, Bless her heart, she has to relearn there are so many good people in this world.:twocents: Adult prison

 

[Irisha]

you raise some good points spice, we really don't know the effects of all this exposure to social media and instant communication are on our kids.

When we were kids and you wanted to talk to someone you called a friend on the house phone, you knew them, you had their number, your mom knew who they were, etc.

with cell phones, games systems, tablets, pc's, laptops all offering immediate connection to the world at large it is a whole new ballgame today for our own kids.

Scarier to me is that even if, as a parent, you are really on top of what your kids are accessing through the devices at home and with reasonable confidence that school devices are properly limited and filtered, you still never know what your child's friends are able to access on THEIR devices or in THEIR homes.

Now more than ever I feel it is much harder to track your kids exposures to things you would prefer to be there to discuss with them as they occur.

I am still convinced these girl knew in their logical minds that slenderman was not real. I think for these two, it was simply preferable to pretend he was and this became like an escapist addiction for them, and both of them fed that addiction til it needed more and more "proof" to ensure their devotion to the idea.

OMG I bought my 8 yr old grandaughter an Ipod for xmas last year, I also have an 8 yr old grandson ( they where 1 month apart) her older, they are very very close, being babysat by my daughter for the first 5 yrs. When my grandaugher was here my grandson sent her a butt moonshot, on facetime. i decided not to make a big deal about it because they were close, it wasn't frontal, and 8 yr old boys are dumb:loveyou: or maybe I should tell that he;s tweeting pics of himself? I think it was innocent.lease:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I investigated the fan fiction after reading your post. Did any of the profiles make you think of MG or AW? A couple made me wonder.

There are a couple here that made me wonder too: http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:47553 .. I see kids all over the net commenting on Slenderman that have become paranoid that he is taking control of their minds and are scared they're going to start acting as proxies for him.

 

[Spice]

There are a couple here that made me wonder too: http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:47553 .. I see kids all over the net commenting on Slenderman that have become paranoid that he is taking control of their minds and are scared they're going to start acting as proxies for him.

One poster is named "Fluffy Kitty".

FLUFFY KITTY?

AW called MG "Kitty." MG spoke the words "Don't worry I'm just a little kitty cat" before stabbing the victim.

Truly, if you read the comments over there, you will see how bizarre it is, how some of these kids seem to really think he is real and they are somehow afflicted by him.

I'm not being dramatic. It's worth a read before dismissing.

Thanks for posting this Mrs. G.

 

[Sunshine95]

OMG I bought my 8 yr old grandaughter an Ipod for xmas last year, I also have an 8 yr old grandson ( they where 1 month apart) her older, they are very very close, being babysat by my daughter for the first 5 yrs. When my grandaugher was here my grandson sent her a butt moonshot, on facetime. i decided not to make a big deal about it because they were close, it wasn't frontal, and 8 yr old boys are dumb:loveyou: or maybe I should tell that he;s tweeting pics of himself? I think it was innocent.lease:

If you don't mind the suggestion, you may find it helpful to talk to him about Internet and phone rules... If you wouldn't put it on a billboard don't put it on Internet or phone. Older kids have gotten in serious trouble, from what I have learned, for taking and sending naked pictures. Taking a picture of minor self or other I have heard kids who were charged for manufacturing child , and sending it is distributing child ... I don't have a link but was taught that at a professional conference so take it for what it's worth. I teach kids once they are in 4th grade about it.... And not to share passwords except with parents, and never leave unattended in public, people can put a tracking bug on it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

OMG I bought my 8 yr old grandaughter an Ipod for xmas last year, I also have an 8 yr old grandson ( they where 1 month apart) her older, they are very very close, being babysat by my daughter for the first 5 yrs. When my grandaugher was here my grandson sent her a butt moonshot, on facetime. i decided not to make a big deal about it because they were close, it wasn't frontal, and 8 yr old boys are dumb:loveyou: or maybe I should tell that he;s tweeting pics of himself? I think it was innocent.lease:

When my grandparents could get all their 11 grandchildren together (only twice) while we were growing up... they would bring us to the lake house they owned up in Ohio for two weeks. You THINK a moon-shot is bad??? :floorlaugh:

The things we did to each other as pranks... :blushing: And the mischief we got into... :blushing:

But, there was also story telling at night by the lake where my grandfather made wooden stump seats and we had a fire. They let all of us kids run down there (the length of a football field) without any adult supervision and the stories we told??? Scary and like someone else said... how to make babies, etc...

No television. No cellphones. No internet. Fun times!! (but innocent... we were NOT).

 

[CHERIE.T]

There are a couple here that made me wonder too: http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:47553 .. I see kids all over the net commenting on Slenderman that have become paranoid that he is taking control of their minds and are scared they're going to start acting as proxies for him.

I read some of those too. I don't know if the kids are simply playing a game...making others THINK Slenderman controls their minds or if they are indeed believing SM is controlling them.
IDK but if I was a parent of kids aged 8 or so to early teens, I'd be watching their net use closely.
FYI I don't think kids should have free reign of a computer and I definitely don't think young kids need cell phones. My kids had to be 16, have good grades and had to buy their own phone which meant they had to have a job.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I agree CHERIE.T .. not sure if they're 'in character' or not .. I'm 50/50 on the kids and computer issue, one part of me thinks it's better to take kids through computer use in stages so that they don't hit an age in their later teens where they suddenly have free reign and are faced with a steep learning curve, but then again, kids being kids the more you try and police something the more determined they may be to thwart that. I know what would have happened if computers had been around in my day, I would have found a way around those rules, and then I'd be online and unable to talk to my parents about anything that may come up because that would expose my disobedience.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Lol, me too.......I would have tried to get around it too.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Daily Mail:

Mental evaluation ordered for one of the 12-year-old girls who stabbed friend and left her for dead in sacrifice to 'Slender Man' as the pair remain in prison

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2655452/Doctor-evaluate-12-year-old-stabbing-suspect.html

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Interesting that the mental eval is only for MG .. maybe that's lawyer related.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I agree CHERIE.T .. not sure if they're 'in character' or not .. I'm 50/50 on the kids and computer issue, one part of me thinks it's better to take kids through computer use in stages so that they don't hit an age in their later teens where they suddenly have free reign and are faced with a steep learning curve, but then again, kids being kids the more you try and police something the more determined they may be to thwart that. I know what would have happened if computers had been around in my day, I would have found a way around those rules, and then I'd be online and unable to talk to my parents about anything that may come up because that would expose my disobedience.

My oldest niece was 14 when she was allowed to have a facebook account (freshman in High School). It was strictly monitored by her parents (they had her password). She was also not allowed to de-friend her parents. :floorlaugh: She also did have a cellphone at 14. Her parents felt it was important for her to have one in case of an emergency.

She did get into a little bit of trouble on facebook. Kids that age think it is cool to have as many friends as they can so they accept everyone which was what she got into trouble for twice.

Once when she befriended one of my friends who was 40-years-old. She didn't know him from Adam and I was livid. So livid that I contacted my friend and went off on him for even requesting her and I blocked him from my own account. I didn't care if I knew him! How much I knew him! My 14-year-old niece should NOT be getting requests and accepting those requests from a 40-year-old man unless they are family. Not cool!

The second time was when my sister (her other Aunt) and I were randomly going through her friends list and found that she had befriended another older man. This one was from out of state. My sister and I went through his entire friends list and they were all young girls under the age of 16. Not only did my sister and I private message him a scathing message. We immediately told her parents and she was made to delete her entire facebook account for quite a while.

She did learn her lesson and facebook did come in really handy for her once she matured a little bit. The only issue they ever had with her and her cellphone was that she broke them and she was made to start paying for her own phones once she turned 16 and got a job.

Thankfully their next in line is still 9-years-old and they've learned a few things from their first go-round when it comes to teenagers and the internet. It really is a great tool, but like everything... there is danger. It's better to let them know of those dangers than to let them find out for themselves. Live and learn.

 

[tlcya]

I wonder if there is a bit of a see what happens attitude from the other attorney. Has the other attorney requested one?

Perhaps the other attorney expects to have a better lay of the land after the eval comes back as to strategy for defending his own client.

It can always be requested down the road as things proceed yes?