Identified! WI - Delafield, WhtMale, UP7632, car stolen, lighter, Sep'77 - John Lindberg Scott

[vermontaigne]

So, the Wisconsin Staties are in cahoots with the CIA to stage an early morning car theft near Chicago to get this guy killed with a cut brake cable. Mmmmmmmmm . . . no, not buying it.

 

[Needtoid]

I checked into the note "belmot kedzie" and that is an intersection in Chicago, IL. Also, 2860 Lincoln Ave is also in Chicago. I think he either a) has roots around Chicago, or b) ended up in Chicago. Plus, the car was stolen in Chicago. Not sure where he was heading in the vehicle. The fact that he had bags of women's clothing poses questions:
*Was he helping a friend move?
*Was he homeless, with a female?
*Were the clothes brand new or worn?
*Were the clothes stolen? (Being that the car was stolen, I'm not saying JD was a thief, because who knows what really happened, but it's worth looking into.)
*Were the clothes the same size (indicating the same person) or were there multiple sizes (in varying degrees)?

Also, I agree with others that he looks like he could have been foreign. There's a chance he was from another country and ended up in Chicago. His handwriting is in English, but it kind of resembled that of someone who was struggling to write, lacking "flow". But that is just a theory, not a definite of course. What do you all think on his handwriting?

Regarding the lighter, if he was a thief, which isn't confirmed, there is a big chance he could have stolen that lighter. Either that or maybe he is involved with theft friends. That is probably why he was never given a name. He was caught in a stolen car, which is why he was on the run, most likely. He likely didn't want to get caught and go to jail. Or, maybe he had a friend with him who survived the crash and ran out, with no one seeing him/her. Maybe JD was trying to escape the police because he was a victim too and was told to speed up to avoid cops. I wonder if the witnesses to this crash are still around. If anyone knew of JD's crimes (like car theft) he/she probably wouldn't want to identify him, because that would be like ratting him and his affiliated crew out, and then if they rat him out, they're also ratting others out (because cops would draw the links), and no one wants to tell on someone. Someone out there, I truly believe, has seen his picture and recognizes him. I just wish they would come forward. I'm a stranger, and even I am trying to identify him. It may be dangerous and risky, though, so I can understand if someone doesn't want to say anything. Also, refer to my other post about someone who claimed they recognized him.
His family, if he had any, is probably left wondering. But, then again, how did they not see his case? I wrote a post months ago about how I think he was mistakenly linked to another case. So there's also the chance no one has recognized him yet, and that no one is looking for him yet.

 

[Needtoid]

So, the Wisconsin Staties are in cahoots with the CIA to stage an early morning car theft near Chicago to get this guy killed with a cut brake cable. Mmmmmmmmm . . . no, not buying it.

I'm just simply saying what someone else has told me. I don't believe it is true, either. The man said he was not in the CIA when this happened, to clarify. He had been in the CIA in prior years, and his death he said may have not had to do with him being in the CIA. He was vague; and I'm passing on what he said. Bottom line is, he said he knew him, and he said it is dangerous and he could get in trouble personally. Being that JD was in car theft, he probably had help.

 

[masnitram]

I'm just simply saying what someone else has told me. I don't believe it is true, either. The man said he was not in the CIA when this happened, to clarify. He had been in the CIA in prior years, and his death he said may have not had to do with him being in the CIA. He was vague; and I'm passing on what he said. Bottom line is, he said he knew him, and he said it is dangerous and he could get in trouble personally. Being that JD was in car theft, he probably had help.

I don't buy into the conspiracy angle, and I do acknowledge that these are not your ideas....so no disrespect intended. To drive that far with a cut break-line would be difficult...if not impossible, and if someone else was with him...why in the world would they put themselves in that much danger... if they cut the line themselves. From what I was told, the car was stolen from the driveway of a home after JD showed up initially on a bicycle. The report indicates that the officer acknowledged JD as the sole-occupant of the vehicle during the pursuit as well. Highly unlikely that anyone else escaped unscathed. I really don't think this JD has anything to do with the CIA either. If he was why would Waukesha County even post his image, much less look for information about him. If the feds wanted it to be "hush-hush" they would have the authority to prevent a state from releasing any info. While it is plausible that some cases are truly "out there" with limited info released to the public...I don't really think this case is one of them. I know you've also worked very hard on getting attention for him, and that is admirable. Keep at it.....hopefully someone a little more attached to reality will answer more soon than later.

 

[Needtoid]

"Someone a little more attached to reality". LOL!!!! I couldn't have put it better. And yes, you and everyone here has worked so hard on getting attention on him too- I hope that this can be settled. People have asked me "Why do you even care? How does it benefit you?" I am shocked by how many people ask me this. As if we're only supposed to care about cases that hit home or have to do with ourselves... I think that would be a bit selfish to only care about something that affects us personally. Also, I have empathy, and I'm sure most do, but for many to also say that I am wasting time for useless causes kind of shows that most people just don't really care to that level about strangers. And of course if something hits home I am going to care about the cause. I do care about many issues/causes, which most of them don't affect me at all. But I do find that the mental anguish and torment that families go through when they have no idea what happened to their loved one, seems to be one of the worst mental sufferings. And if we can help just one family have closure, then good.

 

[masnitram]

NCMEC facial composites added to NAMUS casefile

 

[Needtoid]

Please circulate the video I made for john doe. If you have Facebook please find me on there. My username is needtoid. My cell won't give me the direct link to the video but if you go to YouTube just search for Barbara rotella. Or you can search other ways and you'll find it. Thanks!

 

[tatertot]

This MP looks somewhat similar, especially the nose, IMHO, but he clearly has blue eyes and it appears that the UID definitely had brown/hazel eyes.

http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mantheiy_andrew.html

 

[Needtoid]

Tatertot, what a good find!!!! Ummm this is scary, it could be him. Have you talked to the detective?

 

[tatertot]

Not yet. I'd rather get feedback first from those better versed in matching facial features. In addition to the difference in eye color, Delafield John Doe had thick chest hair all the way up to his clavicles and from the MP's NamUs photos, he does not have significant chest hair in that area:

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23609/0/

OT, but every time I see a new long-time missing person newly entered into NamUs I always hope they're alive and well and will finally contact their family once they discover they're still listed as missing. It has happened before...

 

[Needtoid]

Yes it has! And I think the hazel eye label isn't concrete. I've seen posts saying jd's eyes were brown and others say unknown. So it is worth a shot. I wonder if this guy is circumcised bc JD was not. Also JD had a cleft chin so more pix of this new it would help. I wonder if there's a way to get in touch w any family members.

 

[carbuff]

Nose looks way off. Was JD's face damaged in the accident, do you know?

 

[masnitram]

Quite sometime ago I found a South Carolina fugitive by the name of Jessie Ray Cooley whose cleaned up photo resembled JD. I found his actual booking photos/wanted poster. His eye color is listed as blue...JD is listed as hazel...Hair listed as red...JD is listed as brown. I still see a resemblance but I'm not very good with facial structure etc...so feel free to let me know your thoughts.

Wanted Poster: http://www.doc.sc.gov/pubweb/news/fugitives/00074736.pdf

Original post/Cleaned up pic: http://www.straightshooter.net/IDNO533.htm

William Shields case is new to me, from the right area (Chicago) and right time frame...but to me his lips + nose look way to full...no guitar found in the stolen car (see Williams profile)...and no fingerprints for comparison. Possible Gacy victim...just a thought? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14152/12/


Howard Veillette Sr has nothing listed for "circumstances", has the "wrong" scars noted and is a tad over the age rangehttps://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/16959/123/

Grasping at straws...:gaah:

 

[masnitram]

Jessie Ray Cooley and Delafield John Doe

 

[CarlK90245]

Jessie Ray Cooley and Delafield John Doe

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I'm not seeing it.

 

[masnitram]

Yeah, I'm not 100% sold...like I said "grasping at straws". Though I don't know how I'd look after flying through a windshield and being cleaned up by a coroner...

 

[carbuff]

Could be. The jaw doesn't look square enough -- but then DJD's jaw is probably slack while Cooley's is clenched tight. The rest is pretty close.

 

[Needtoid]

Yeah, I'm not 100% sold...like I said "grasping at straws". Though I don't know how I'd look after flying through a windshield and being cleaned up by a coroner...

John Doe has a nose that looks like it goes down at the bottom. The other guy has a nose that goes up. However, they could still be the same person because John Doe may have smashed his nose so badly that it got bent downwards. I know that sounds silly, but it actually happens. People break their noses all the time and then the nose gets misshapen.

 

[masnitram]

I've tried in vein to rotate the morgue photos a bit to create better angles, but those photos...imo...really suck, especially the headshot. There is NO report or autopsy info available to tell us what bones were broken etc.

 

[Needtoid]

Haha sorry car buff, just realized you already said what I said in my last comment.