Identified! WI - Delafield, WhtMale, UP7632, car stolen, lighter, Sep'77 - John Lindberg Scott

[masnitram]

Masnitram, I was more referring to the Mississippi LE. Mike was quick to act and and inquire, and I think if there was any dropping of the ball it's on Mississippi's side.

You're good, I didn't give it a second thought. :sunshine:

Keep up the good work!

 

[Zanko]

Thirty six years, to the day. Still no name.

 

[masnitram]

https://identifyus.org/cases/7632

Some significant updates!! A picture of the lighter confirming it does in fact read "To John Love Lauri"

Wallet contents!- Det. Mike and I discussed the wrong RV dealer initially(unless SkyHarbor in Waukegan used to be "Johnny's"..I'm not sure), this clarifies where he was at one point...some other employment related notes and numbers worth a look here. And a photo of the fabric from his clothes.

Haven't had much time as of late to dig into the new info so I'm posting here in hopes that someone will latch on and go for it!

 

[trenchmouth]

https://identifyus.org/cases/7632

Some significant updates!! A picture of the lighter confirming it does in fact read "To John Love Lauri"

Wallet contents!- Det. Mike and I discussed the wrong RV dealer initially(unless SkyHarbor in Waukegan used to be "Johnny's"..I'm not sure), this clarifies where he was at one point...some other employment related notes and numbers worth a look here. And a photo of the fabric from his clothes.

Haven't had much time as of late to dig into the new info so I'm posting here in hopes that someone will latch on and go for it!

I noticed the notepad found with him has Riddell Inc. 1151 Roscoe Ave on it. Riddell started out as a shoe company and now makes all sorts of sporting equipment like football helmets and pads and are located in Chicagoland. I'm not sure if there is a Riddell facility at that address anymore. I wonder if he intended to apply for a job there or knew someone that worked there? Would Human Resources have records of who applied for jobs there in the 70s? Doubtful but might be worth contacting Riddell.

 

[trenchmouth]

Also noticed another page had "Lincolnn" written on it. Who would spell Lincolnn with two nns? Might mean he imigrated to the US and English was his second language?

Another though, how do we know the contents found belonged to him? Could it have already been in the stolen car?

 

[masnitram]

I noticed the notepad found with him has Riddell Inc. 1151 Roscoe Ave on it. Riddell started out as a shoe company and now makes all sorts of sporting equipment like football helmets and pads and are located in Chicagoland. I'm not sure if there is a Riddell facility at that address anymore. I wonder if he intended to apply for a job there or knew someone that worked there? Would Human Resources have records of who applied for jobs there in the 70s? Doubtful but might be worth contacting Riddell.

From what I remember these are all items that were found in his wallet that was in his pants pocket...no, I suppose that doesn't mean the wallet was technically his.

Lincolnn could be just a mistake.... Hard to say where he was from, but clearly he is looking for work, and possibly a place to live. The numbers, if I'm right and they are numbers, under Kedzie ARE side-by-side apartments in Chicago now. At least from what I can tell.

Belmont and Kedzie is an intersection in Chicago.

I notice something under "Kedzie" that looks like an address. I see it as 2814 or 2816, with a hesitation as if he initially wanted to write 284 but hesitated and realized the error and changed it to a 1.

Kemmerly Real Estate looks like it was in Arlington Heights, IL but is perhaps out of business now...can't find anything current. But haven't really dug in either.

Johnny's Mobile Home Sales is interesting. Waukegan, IL is now covered by the 847 area code. Cubby or others from IL, correct me if I'm wrong....but wasn't all of Chicago and north under the "312" area code until the 80's/90's??? And maybe someone more local can help with "Johnny's" as a business....what is it today? Is it all SkyHarbor RV as it was when I left the area??

 

[Claudette]

I think it was 312 and 708. It could have been a mandatory change for them though, that happened to us in the 90s. We were 708 and had to change to 847.

 

[Claudette]

Kemmerly Real Estate licenses are all closed or expired.

https://www.idfpr.com/licenselookup...e=j&pro_cde=0477&rowcount=200&page=1&initial=

 

[hannah1988]

Here's a Riddell ad with the Riddell address listed on the notepad. It does appear that the address was in Chicago:
Amazon.com - 1972 Ad HR-2 Baseball Cleat Athletic Shoe Riddell 1151 West Roscoe St Chicago IL - Original Print Ad

FWIW, it looks like Riddell is no longer located at that address. It's residential town homes now.

 

[Claudette]

Also we've been focusing on the Waukegan location only of the RV home place but there were 4 according to these photos:

2811 Mannheim Rd, Des Plaines, IL - which is vacant land right now and the only other address on the pamphlet

2860 N Lincoln Ave in Chicago is now a parking lot
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf...+il&ei=tT98UqfkLKugyAH3vYDwCQ&ved=0CC0QxB0wAA

1151 W Roscoe is a house built in 1988. It was a Ridel Outlet store in the 1970s. Apparently it had an illegal alien problem in the 70s.

Also I wonder if the "Gaeberts" clothing should actually be "Goeberts"
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...q=1151+w+roscoe,+chicago,+il&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1

 

[Claudette]

Orval Kent Food company was at the 2860 N Lincoln Ave location in the 70s. Ms. Demer put out a lot of classifieds for jobs there.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...2860+n+lincoln+ave",+chicago&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1

I think it's safe to say Doe was a Chicago area resident and wasn't just passing through.

 

[meanmaryjean]

312 was the Chicago and surrounding area code until at least late 70s. 708 was the first split-out code, and it came around 1980- maybe later.

Could the 'Lincolnn' refer to the downstate town of Lincoln in Logan County? Straight shot down the old Route 66.

 

[masnitram]

Orval Kent Food company was at the 2860 N Lincoln Ave location in the 70s. Ms. Demer put out a lot of classifieds for jobs there.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...2860+n+lincoln+ave",+chicago&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1

I think it's safe to say Doe was a Chicago area resident and wasn't just passing through.

Clearly he was working a fairly broad area of northern Illinois, from Chicago up to the WI border. Ultimately I wonder why he would jump on a bicycle after midnight to steal a car in Gurnee and then fly up 1-94 into Wisconsin with bags of clothing for both genders, library books, etc...that didn't belong to the vehicles owner.

 

[Claudette]

Correct that Belmont and Kedzie are an intersection.

2814 Kedzie is a few blocks south of that intersection.

2814 West Belmont is nowhere near it and is an empty lot now, I don't think this is where he was headed.

The Kedzie address was a tavern in the 1940s through ? (last mention of it being a bar was in 1960s) and a church in 2006. It appears to be empty now, or apartments. I THINK it was called "After 4 Tavern"
https://www.google.com/search?q=281...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1

2816 Kedzie was residential in the 1950s and Hilda Jorgenson, a baker, lived there in 1953
https://www.google.com/search?q=281...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1

 

[Claudette]

Hilda Jorgenson would have been born around 1901. I think it is more likely that Doe was interested in the tavern. But maybe he knew her or she was hiring? Trying to find any info on her.

It's likely she wasn't still there 25 years later but you never know.

 

[Claudette]

312 was the Chicago and surrounding area code until at least late 70s. 708 was the first split-out code, and it came around 1980- maybe later.

Could the 'Lincolnn' refer to the downstate town of Lincoln in Logan County? Straight shot down the old Route 66.

It's possible but it could be anything - Illinois is the birthplace of Lincoln and his name is all over towns, roads and schools. MOO it's an address, based on all the other notes he was making.

 

[masnitram]

I'm going to shoot an email to Det. Mike about the fingerprint information, Namus now lists it as "available and entered". I'm curious to know how the original card was located, and where, and if "available and entered" means it is in AFIS? I'll report back....

*Faster than I anticipated, Det. Mudlitz replied and said the card was found, translated, and has been entered into AFIS. Fingerprints are now an official identifier.

 

[Cubby]

Just found the updates. Great info and great sleuthing everyone.

While the thoughts are fresh in my mind, that there was a lot of illegal aliens discovered at one of the addresses, I think it is possible our UID is an illegal immigrant and perhaps his family was afraid to make contact with the authorities after seeing the news.

I think we need to find who might have resided at these particular addresses (any which were residential), in the summer of 1977.

 

[Cubby]

2860 N Lincoln Ave is a Chicago address in the vicinity of the other Chicago addresses. There are store fronts on the ground level, and apartments above the storefronts.

 

[Needtoid]

After many attempts of reaching the public and circulating John Doe's picture, I finally heard from someone who recognized him who knew who he was. He told me that I should not keep trying to help with this case. He said he was in Delafield in 1977 and before even telling him how he died, he said that although he was in a car accident (high speed chase), someone cut his brakes and cops basically staged the chase. He said that he worked for the CIA and that is why it is shady. This is why cops aren't pushing his case, so he says. He said he cannot reveal his name because he has a family, and he implied he would get hurt for squealing. He said it is very dangerous and risky to help in this case. I don't necessarily think he was telling the truth, but there is a possibility he was. I do give people the benefit of doubt, and although I doubt he was true or accurate, it is still worth considering.
I have handed out many flyers of him and made various websites, and this is the first person saying he definitely knew who it was. He sounded like he may have somehow been involved, and he said that it was "more" than just an accident involving car theft. He said he was older than 18-25, and that they just put that age on there because they are trying to throw people off, and by law they had to put all their cases. I guess he was implying they really don't want this case getting attention. I think someone out there knows that this guy is dead and has seen his picture and read these threads, but they cannot come forth because maybe it is more involved and dangerous than we think.