WI - Girl, 10, stomped head and killed baby boy in panic, Chippewa Falls, 30 Oct 2018

  • #121
I have a second cousin who falls in this category. My sister and I recognized it in her when she was two years old. She managed to hide it some as a tween. But it was there. She had three children. Got a boyfriend that didn't want kids. So she set fire to her trailer and burned the kids up. Managed to get acquitted. Got into trouble with drugs, met a new man, has a new family. Putting on a big front. God help those kids if she ever decides they are in her way.
 
  • #122
Since we know nothing about this little girl and her circumstances, I think it's extremely unfair to call her a psychopath. For a start, all personality disorders, including antisocial personality disorder cannot be diagnosed until 18 (although obviously signs start before that) due to the fact that children's personalities are still developing, and while all people with APD display psychopathic behaviour as children, not all children who display said behaviour go on to have APD. so no, she isn't a psychopath, she's a child who is still developing cognitively and more likely than not won't repeat this behaviour if she is given the help she needs. While I was still in uni working on getting my degree, we went to a centre that dealt with children who had committed sexual offences against other children, sometimes there were extremely violent, and had occurred on multiple occasions, and according to the women who run the program not one child who completed their program went on to become adult offenders. Child offenders are not the same as adult offenders, and more often than not do not go on to become adult offenders if they receive specialised intervention.

Also we don't know why this child was in foster care, and there could be any number of reasons that explain her behaviour. She could have developmental delays. She could be suffering from PTSD.

Since we're speculating I want to put a situation forward for you. Foster mum is outside and clearly out of ear shot of the baby, little girl goes inside for whatever reason, and hears the baby crying. Maybe she has younger siblings and is used to being in a care taker role to some extent due to a neglectful situation so she goes to try and sooth him, picks him up and drops him. Maybe in her previous home her punishments were severe, and she, as she said herself, panics, and literally the only thing on her mind is that this baby needs to stop crying or she's going to be punished, and she does something absolutely horrific, and inexcusable. But that isn't a sense of right or wrong, it's self preservation. Fear of punishment does not always equate to an understanding of what is right and what is wrong, especially with children who have been punished for even the most minor transgressions

She should not, regardless of the circumstances, be subjected to a trial as an adult. Even if she straight up murdered this little boy for no reason, she's a CHILD and should be dealt with in the juvenile system. Where would the sense be in making her sit through a trial, and risk damaging her psyche worse than it clearly already is. I'm not saying she should get a slap on the risk, she killed a baby, and it's important that that is remembered, but the best thing that can be done in this situation is specialised therapeutic intervention, not an adult trial.

BBM I'm curious about this , I was diagnosed at 13 cluster B borderline personality and rage disorder and Bipolar disorder /mania , Ive always known it was unusual at such an early age but the diagnosis stands and I'm 54 now (and no I NEVER killed an animal EVER!, nor would I LOL)
 
  • #123
Since we know nothing about this little girl and her circumstances, I think it's extremely unfair to call her a psychopath. For a start, all personality disorders, including antisocial personality disorder cannot be diagnosed until 18 (although obviously signs start before that) due to the fact that children's personalities are still developing, and while all people with APD display psychopathic behaviour as children, not all children who display said behaviour go on to have APD. so no, she isn't a psychopath, she's a child who is still developing cognitively and more likely than not won't repeat this behaviour if she is given the help she needs. While I was still in uni working on getting my degree, we went to a centre that dealt with children who had committed sexual offences against other children, sometimes there were extremely violent, and had occurred on multiple occasions, and according to the women who run the program not one child who completed their program went on to become adult offenders. Child offenders are not the same as adult offenders, and more often than not do not go on to become adult offenders if they receive specialised intervention.

Also we don't know why this child was in foster care, and there could be any number of reasons that explain her behaviour. She could have developmental delays. She could be suffering from PTSD.

Since we're speculating I want to put a situation forward for you. Foster mum is outside and clearly out of ear shot of the baby, little girl goes inside for whatever reason, and hears the baby crying. Maybe she has younger siblings and is used to being in a care taker role to some extent due to a neglectful situation so she goes to try and sooth him, picks him up and drops him. Maybe in her previous home her punishments were severe, and she, as she said herself, panics, and literally the only thing on her mind is that this baby needs to stop crying or she's going to be punished, and she does something absolutely horrific, and inexcusable. But that isn't a sense of right or wrong, it's self preservation. Fear of punishment does not always equate to an understanding of what is right and what is wrong, especially with children who have been punished for even the most minor transgressions

She should not, regardless of the circumstances, be subjected to a trial as an adult. Even if she straight up murdered this little boy for no reason, she's a CHILD and should be dealt with in the juvenile system. Where would the sense be in making her sit through a trial, and risk damaging her psyche worse than it clearly already is. I'm not saying she should get a slap on the risk, she killed a baby, and it's important that that is remembered, but the best thing that can be done in this situation is specialised therapeutic intervention, not an adult trial.

Thank you, well said. We don't know anything about this girl to judge what she is or what she's been through.
 
  • #124
BBM I'm curious about this , I was diagnosed at 13 cluster B borderline personality and rage disorder and Bipolar disorder /mania , Ive always known it was unusual at such an early age but the diagnosis stands and I'm 54 now (and no I NEVER killed an animal EVER!, nor would I LOL)

That is unusal, The DSM is updated pretty frequently as the field is constantly expanding so my best guess would be that the diagnostic criteria used to allow minors to be diagnosed and it’s been changed to better reflect current research. I also have friends who have BPD who are all absolutely amazing people and I would never think for a second that they or anyone with BPD would cause harm to anyone, animal or human simply because they have BPD.
 
  • #125
Guess there is no way to find out the next court date since we have no name & she's a juvenile....
 
  • #126
  • #127
Ugh, this is the first I've heard of this case. I'm sorry but I helped babysit infants and toddlers at that age. No way would I ever have considered stomping on anyone's head of any age! This is so beyond the pale.

I understand the desire to protect children even children that kill other children. But I've seen people adopt children from orphanages and nothing they did improved the damage those kids had in them. Some of these children display non stop antisocial behavior and terrorize the rest of the family. What do you do? One child needs help but all the others deserve to be protected as well.

I also know one woman who said her ex husband was evil. Beating her and at one point actually kidnapping their son. And despite the son never actually growing up around his father he is just a mess. He screams and curses his mother. In home psych help multiple times a week hasn't helped. He's 12 and recently pushed his mother down the stairs and fractured her spine! They had to remove him from the home for a while for his mother's safety. :/

I just don't think that kids who kill should be allowed to turn 18 and walk out in society with no warning to others who are at risk from them. Maybe at 10 yo you don't understand the full gravity of death. But most children instinctively know to never hurt a baby. If you want a baby to be quiet they might wrongly cover baby's mouth. But stomp on their head to quiet them? I just don't buy that explanation at all. If you are afraid of getting in trouble because a baby is crying you'd be afraid to have baby's bleeding from their face as well.

Any kid who loses it and stomps on a baby for whatever reason is one scary kid. Being developmentally delayed would not explain this. I've known many developmentally delayed children and delayed does NOT equal violent.
 
  • #128
  • #129
She's a fostered child. Why was that?

Abused kids have a very warped view of the world. I read a case about a 2 yo in foster care who begged to go home to her dad, even though he was regularly beating the hell out of her. Because for her, that was normal. Sitting down and eating meals, playing games, getting hugs, she could not deal with. That was not her normal. Without intervention until the age of 10, do you think she would have had a good sense of right and wrong?
I understand what your saying, but I wouldn't leave a 6 month old baby unattended if I was a paid carer of that child.
 
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  • #130
I have custody of my 8 yr old niece (since she was 1) as she gets older she has gotten worse...shes a psychopath, its genetic also...if i turn my back to her even for a second Out the corner of my eye i will see one of my dogs flying threw the air....I had to put up security cameras in my home...I was watching my 7 month old grandson one day and i needed his binkie....he was n the living room, I needed his binkie which was literally 3 seconds away and as soon as my back was turned He starts screaming crying louder....I turn around and said omg what did u do to him? I didn't touch him she says...sure enough the video shows her running over to him squeezing his stomach n shaking him and she still denied it....she said because he wouldnt stop crying.. that's only a few examples to the hundreds I have. these type of kids have zero remorse, they know what they are doing they are very manipulative...when I saw the little girl crying in court my first thought was save yourself the hassle of the fake tears and the I care emotions....they dont care, no punishment phases them... nothing!! And they will do it again if given the chance!!!
Thank God you were aware of your nieces behaviour and in acceptance of it,your grandson is lucky to have you in his life,looking out for him..
 
  • #131
Nana2luke your one in a million,I'll be honest with you in saying I could never ever cope,with what your going through,your a very special lady, I'm in awe of you.x
Its ok...I tried to shorten it myself when explaining it but their is just so much with "trying" to take care and love a child this way...she does not Care about who she gets n trouble either....her lies could have sent 3 of my family members to jail and she tried to get me fired from work....noone wants to be alone with her or babysit her and there's tons more....its a huge mess....Im on the verdge of giving up, Im 40 and feel like a walking zombie...ty for your kind and encouraging words... they mean alot to me!!!
 
  • #132
Horrifying, we dont know what people are capable of,and they walk amongst us ...
I have a second cousin who falls in this category. My sister and I recognized it in her when she was two years old. She managed to hide it some as a tween. But it was there. She had three children. Got a boyfriend that didn't want kids. So she set fire to her trailer and burned the kids up. Managed to get acquitted. Got into trouble with drugs, met a new man, has a new family. Putting on a big front. God help those kids if she ever decides they are in her way.
 
  • #133
Since we know nothing about this little girl and her circumstances, I think it's extremely unfair to call her a psychopath. For a start, all personality disorders, including antisocial personality disorder cannot be diagnosed until 18 (although obviously signs start before that) due to the fact that children's personalities are still developing, and while all people with APD display psychopathic behaviour as children, not all children who display said behaviour go on to have APD. so no, she isn't a psychopath, she's a child who is still developing cognitively and more likely than not won't repeat this behaviour if she is given the help she needs. While I was still in uni working on getting my degree, we went to a centre that dealt with children who had committed sexual offences against other children, sometimes there were extremely violent, and had occurred on multiple occasions, and according to the women who run the program not one child who completed their program went on to become adult offenders. Child offenders are not the same as adult offenders, and more often than not do not go on to become adult offenders if they receive specialised intervention.

Also we don't know why this child was in foster care, and there could be any number of reasons that explain her behaviour. She could have developmental delays. She could be suffering from PTSD.

Since we're speculating I want to put a situation forward for you. Foster mum is outside and clearly out of ear shot of the baby, little girl goes inside for whatever reason, and hears the baby crying. Maybe she has younger siblings and is used to being in a care taker role to some extent due to a neglectful situation so she goes to try and sooth him, picks him up and drops him. Maybe in her previous home her punishments were severe, and she, as she said herself, panics, and literally the only thing on her mind is that this baby needs to stop crying or she's going to be punished, and she does something absolutely horrific, and inexcusable. But that isn't a sense of right or wrong, it's self preservation. Fear of punishment does not always equate to an understanding of what is right and what is wrong, especially with children who have been punished for even the most minor transgressions

She should not, regardless of the circumstances, be subjected to a trial as an adult. Even if she straight up murdered this little boy for no reason, she's a CHILD and should be dealt with in the juvenile system. Where would the sense be in making her sit through a trial, and risk damaging her psyche worse than it clearly already is. I'm not saying she should get a slap on the risk, she killed a baby, and it's important that that is remembered, but the best thing that can be done in this situation is specialised therapeutic intervention, not an adult trial.
I concur
 
  • #134
Tuesday, March 5th:
*Competency Hearing (@ am ET) – WI – Jaxon Hunter Liedl (6 mos) (Oct. 30, 2018, Chippewa Falls; died Nov. 1, 2018) – *Girl (10) arrested (11/2/18) & charged (11/5/18) with 1st degree intentional homicide. $50K bond. Chippewa County Confessed to dropping baby who hit his head on footstool, and she stomped his head & killed baby in a panic.
11/5/18 Update: Had bond hearing (11/5) will be charged as adult under Wisconsin law.
11/5/18 Update: Hearing continued to 12/11. 12/11/18: Both Chippewa County District Attorney Wade Newell and Judge James Isaacson have recused themselves in the case, turning it over to the DOJ for prosecution. Jaxon’s father, Nate Liedl, works in the county’s clerk of courts office, so that presented a conflict of interest. And the case has been sealed. Since sealed no further dates available.
1/24/19 Update: Hearing held 1/24, defense asks for dismissal of case, denied by Judge. Next competency hearing on 3/5.
 
  • #135
The 10-year-old girl has been deemed incompetent to stand trial, causing the homicide case to be suspended indefinitely.

The judge agreed with a psychologist that it is possible that the girl could become competent within the next year, so he ordered she be re-examined on a quarterly basis.

The judge set up a return date for July 3 to see if the girl has been found competent at that time.

The girl will remain in the custody of the Department of Human Services for at least the next year; a prosecuting attorney said it is likely the girl will eventually be committed to deal with her mental health issues.

Girl, 10, deemed incompetent; Chippewa County homicide trial put on hold
 
  • #136
What does it mean to be in the custody of DHS? Foster care?
 
  • #137
It’s hopefully therapeutic foster care.
I used to do therapy for kids in therapeutic foster care. The foster parents have special training and I saw them at least once sometimes twice a week.
 
  • #138
Girl in homicide case to remain in adult women's wing of mental institute

3/21/19

"CHIPPEWA FALLS — The 10-year-old girl accused of stomping on 6-month-old Jaxon Hunter on Oct. 30, causing his death two days later, will remain in an adult women’s wing at Winnebago Mental Health Institute, a judge ruled Thursday.

The girl was sent there earlier this month after Dunn County Judge James Peterson deemed her incompetent to stand trial at this time, causing the homicide case to be suspended indefinitely. She will be reviewed quarterly to see if she becomes competent over the next year....

...during the motion hearing Thursday, Osberg withdrew her request for a new placement. Osberg said the juvenile unit at Winnebago has individuals on commitment cases with many of them on medications, has both boys and girls, and she feared for the safety of her client, noting she is 10 and small in size....

With the withdrawal of the motion, Judge Peterson left the commitment order in place. Peterson added that the girl’s competency report will remain sealed...."

Girl in homicide case to remain in adult women's wing of mental institute
 
  • #139
Competency hearing set for girl, 11 accused of stomping infant to death in Chippewa County

May 31, 2019

"The 11-year-old girl accused of stomping on the head of six-month-old Jaxon Hunter on Oct. 30, causing his death two days later, appeared in Chippewa County Court on Thursday, where attorneys discussed if the girl understands the meaning of a preliminary hearing and how that affects the future of the case.

Defense attorney Laurie Osberg explained that she believes a preliminary hearing needs to be waived for the case to move forward. A preliminary hearing is where a judge reviews the charges and determines if a crime has been committed and the defendant is the likely person who committed the crime.

The girl was given a mental evaluation earlier this month. The psychologist determined the girl is still not competent to proceed on a homicide charge at this time, but she is expected to be competent by next March, said prosecuting attorney Richard Dufour.

Dufour objected to the idea of allowing the girl to waive the preliminary hearing.

“Our position is you can be either competent or incompetent,” Dufour said after the hearing. “You can’t be ‘somewhat competent.’”

A competency hearing slated for July 3 will be the next court date in the matter...."

Competency hearing set for girl, 11 accused of stomping infant to death in Chippewa County

Jaxon.jpg
 
  • #140
She's either competent or not. Expected to be by next March? What?
 

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