WI - ICE seeks help to ID youth in photos #1

[Gardenlady]

Ok. In the post of the "secret police" guy.. he posts what seems to be the exact title of the video with keywords in parentheses.

I took one of those keywords that kind of looked like gibberish "***cam" (not the actual thing, the *'s are to censor, even though its just a nonsense word) ...and did a google image search with safe search off...

And actual child came up.

I'm very freaked out.

Does this mean its on my computer now?

I X-ed out of the google page right away without actually clicking on anything.
But I'm both shocked it was that easy to stumble on and petrified that its saved on my computer somehow.

You might want to report the post that contained what you searched for, and also report the link with the actual child . I think NCMEC has an email or number ou can report it to.

That way, if it IS on your computer, what will also be there is history showing you reported it.

Also, I think one click is not what gets folks in trouble - it is continuous activity, or at least, more than one instance.

I wouldn't worry, but I don't blame you for freaking out, I probably would too

 

[laura08]

Ok. In the post of the "secret police" guy.. he posts what seems to be the exact title of the video with keywords in parentheses.

I took one of those keywords that kind of looked like gibberish "***cam" (not the actual thing, the *'s are to censor, even though its just a nonsense word) ...and did a google image search with safe search off...

And actual child came up.

I'm very freaked out.

Does this mean its on my computer now?

I X-ed out of the google page right away without actually clicking on anything.
But I'm both shocked it was that easy to stumble on and petrified that its saved on my computer somehow.

Just delete your cookies cause random sites have virus's sometimes and tracking cookies, I doubt the is on youre computer you exited right away, although computers do save everything search releated you should be fine.

 

[Gardenlady]

Here is the NCMEC cyber tip line: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2936

 

[DevilsPlayThing]

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I will transcribe it in my own words-

Someone posted that they had found a comment in reply to an article. They copy and pasted the comment and said they hope it is true. Here is a screencap of the anonymous comment - from comments section of MSM coverage.

Just a sidenote the story has been removed from at least 1 MSM page. If ICE takes down or updates the page on the boy - perhaps public help is no longer required.

 

[pjclover]

I also read the comments being referred to by "91" and I have to admit that I was beginning to think along the same lines - that there was a reason that there wasn't an adult in the video to show a screen shot of and that the other minors involved weren't also part of the appeal.

I believe I read somewhere on this thread that there was an adult voice off camera who talks to the boy, making me believe there was never one actually in the film. I could be wrong on both of those - there has been a lot of info floating around and I don't know if I have it all straight. It seems odd that the boy would be in the video alone and still be in such danger that ICE is trying to find his identity. I thought that the other minors possibly in danger might also be in the video, but for any number of reasons ICE doesn't want their pictures out there.

What 91 posted is sickening, and I hope he's not correct, but if it is I have lots of questions. If this video was found in another country, is LE positive that this is an American made video? If so, why? The t-shirt alone can't be the only indicator.

 

[laura08]

I also read the comments being referred to by "91" and I have to admit that I was beginning to think along the same lines - that there was a reason that there wasn't an adult in the video to show a screen shot of and that the other minors involved weren't also part of the appeal.

I believe I read somewhere on this thread that there was an adult voice off camera who talks to the boy, making me believe there was never one actually in the film. I could be wrong on both of those - there has been a lot of info floating around and I don't know if I have it all straight. It seems odd that the boy would be in the video alone and still be in such danger that ICE is trying to find his identity. I thought that the other minors possibly in danger might also be in the video, but for any number of reasons ICE doesn't want their pictures out there.

What 91 posted is sickening, and I hope he's not correct, but if it is I have lots of questions. If this video was found in another country, is LE positive that this is an American made video? If so, why? The t-shirt alone can't be the only indicator.

I have no idea good question maybe someone else can help.

 

[Sleuthsayers]

Well I closed all windows and deleted cookies, came back and I was still logged in here...So I'm not entirely confident that I actually deleted cookies, lol.

Anyway, I also screenshotted the post by the "secret police" guy.

Mostly seems credible to me because of the amount of details he gives about the video.

Unless of course he was trying to get people to do what I did and actually do a search for it and he gets paid for hits or something? I don't know.

 

[pjclover]

Well I closed all windows and deleted cookies, came back and I was still logged in here...So I'm not entirely confident that I actually deleted cookies, lol.

Anyway, I also screenshotted the post by the "secret police" guy.

Mostly seems credible to me because of the amount of details he gives about the video.

Unless of course he was trying to get people to do what I did and actually do a search for it and he gets paid for hits or something? I don't know.

Yeah, that was one of the things I taught - baiting people to see the video. He says in his first post that he's not a native English speaker, asking people to excuse him for any errors, but in later replies his English seems to improve slightly.

Then again, I don't see how he could benefit from people searching it unless he provided a link that people actually clicked...

 

[Sleuthsayers]

Yeah, that was one of the things I taught - baiting people to see the video. He says in his first post that he's not a native English speaker, asking people to excuse him for any errors, but in later replies his English seems to improve slightly.

Then again, I don't see how he could benefit from people searching it unless he provided a link that people actually clicked...

Well he does seem to copy/paste the exact title and keywords from some other source.


I couldn't bring myself to search for the actual title, I did a search for the abbreviation +2012 that appears in the very beginning of the title, which didn't really bring up anything useful, and then the search of one of the keywords that *seemed* innocuous but just gibberish-y enough to also be code for that particular video I thought.

I know someone said to report it but that would necessitate seeing it again, and I can't.

 

[KindraLore]

I also read the comments being referred to by "91" and I have to admit that I was beginning to think along the same lines - that there was a reason that there wasn't an adult in the video to show a screen shot of and that the other minors involved weren't also part of the appeal.

I believe I read somewhere on this thread that there was an adult voice off camera who talks to the boy, making me believe there was never one actually in the film. I could be wrong on both of those - there has been a lot of info floating around and I don't know if I have it all straight. It seems odd that the boy would be in the video alone and still be in such danger that ICE is trying to find his identity. I thought that the other minors possibly in danger might also be in the video, but for any number of reasons ICE doesn't want their pictures out there.

What 91 posted is sickening, and I hope he's not correct, but if it is I have lots of questions. If this video was found in another country, is LE positive that this is an American made video? If so, why? The t-shirt alone can't be the only indicator.

I read a comment on one news article and now I dont know which one, in which someone stated to have seen the video. I thought he was a crackpot so didnt think much of it, but now I wonder. The person stated the other minors could not be identified in the video as their full facial features were never shown.. the video was from an angle from above or something of that nature. I think if truly is the case (I wondered why no other commenters even questioned this comment but no one had) then this one boy was the only clearly identifiable person in the video..

And if the person commenting was for real, I wonder HOW they saw the video.. strange.

 

[DevilsPlayThing]

Well I closed all windows and deleted cookies, came back and I was still logged in here...So I'm not entirely confident that I actually deleted cookies, lol.

Anyway, I also screenshotted the post by the "secret police" guy.

Mostly seems credible to me because of the amount of details he gives about the video.

Unless of course he was trying to get people to do what I did and actually do a search for it and he gets paid for hits or something? I don't know.

Never mind I see link is from MSM comments.

 

[pjclover]

The more I think about 91 the stranger it seems. He claims they found the video on the hard drive during a raid, and yet he has a link to the video online. He says his agency didn't really do much about the video because they didn't know the country of origin. Yet, he investigated enough to find an online source. In doing so, he should have recovered the origin of the webhost for at least that website and passed on the information to have at least that one video removed. Anyone in LE shouldn't think posting the name of an explicit video on a new forum is a good idea. He should have gone straight to ICE and kept that information private.

However, regardless of how he knows that the video contains the boy - if indeed it does - I guess that just shows how easily this stuff can be found. Other commenters know of the video as well, so maybe some definitive link was made to the U.S. and that's why ICE is now involved. Another comment was posted in Cyrillic with what looks to be a link, but I'm not running that through a translator after what happened to Sleuthsayers.

Just as an aside, *if* 91 and the other commenters are correct about the contents of the video (and we don't know that it is anymore than we know if any other ideas are true) I don't believe that makes the UID any less of an endangered youth.

 

[Salem]

Thank you, Salem! However, I do think it needs to be made clear that there has been NO confirmation at this point that the arrest in Wisconsin is in any way connected to the source of these images. That seemed to be stated as fact and we are only sleuthing the possibility.

Also, for those that were wondering, it was stated earlier in the thread that ICE/ Homeland Security becomes involved in cases involving human trafficking and Internet child . We are assuming that this is the reason for their involvement in this case.

I'm probably a little late here addressing this, because I have been offline.

Thank you pdxmama. I understand Wesser is not a specific POI in this particular case. The sleuthing of him so far has not broken any rules given that he is in the news and he has been arrested. There do appear to be connections and those connections can be explored but we do need to be mindful to limit posting to MSM info and the internet trail as it relates to his arrest.

Having said all that, I also want to say, that it is very unlikely that we will learn who this child is, after he is identified by LE. And that is as it should be, if in fact, the child is being sexually exploited. Everyone is working so hard and that is very much appreciated. I just don't want anyone to be disappointed if we don't learn the identity, kwim? Just keep in mind that it will be for the child's protection and that is what we all want.

Okay - sleuth on mighty WS warriors!

Salem

 

[Sleuthsayers]

Sorry I have one question. I am not trying to upset - only to understand. From this thread someone gave a link or similar to explicit website ? The website had video that is being discussed in this thread ? This is extremely distressing.

In a comment on the msnbc article someone claims to be a member of a 'secret police' in another country and saw this video, and even gives the complete title of it supposedly as it appeared when it was online?

Not an actual link (at least not that I've seen) and who knows if he is legit.

 

[believe09]

The more I think about 91 the stranger it seems. He claims they found the video on the hard drive during a raid, and yet he has a link to the video online. He says his agency didn't really do much about the video because they didn't know the country of origin. Yet, he investigated enough to find an online source. In doing so, he should have recovered the origin of the webhost for at least that website and passed on the information to have at least that one video removed. Anyone in LE shouldn't think posting the name of an explicit video on a new forum is a good idea. He should have gone straight to ICE and kept that information private.

However, regardless of how he knows that the video contains the boy - if indeed it does - I guess that just shows how easily this stuff can be found. Other commenters know of the video as well, so maybe some definitive link was made to the U.S. and that's why ICE is now involved. Another comment was posted in Cyrillic with what looks to be a link, but I'm not running that through a translator after what happened to Sleuthsayers.

Just as an aside, *if* 91 and the other commenters are correct about the contents of the video (and we don't know that it is anymore than we know if any other ideas are true) I don't believe that makes the UID any less of an endangered youth.

having LE make anonymous comments seems counter intuitive to me. I am not sure I am following, which happens a lot. :blushing:

Do you think that the commentor is the youth we are trying to ID? Do you think the commentor has seen the video? Has anyone here seen the video?

I realize that some of the commentors were alluding to the youth being a perp rather than a victim. Is that what is being discussed here? And I wonder where Minnesota and Western Wisconsin come into play.

 

[KindraLore]

Wow. Just saw the secret police comments you guys were referring to. Very disturbing. The person states this was filmed 2010/2011... Of course who knows if any of what he says is the truth.

 

[pjclover]

having LE make anonymous comments seems counter intuitive to me. I am not sure I am following, which happens a lot. :blushing:

Do you think that the commentor is the youth we are trying to ID? Do you think the commentor has seen the video? Has anyone here seen the video?

I realize that some of the commentors were alluding to the youth being a perp rather than a victim. Is that what is being discussed here? And I wonder where Minnesota and Western Wisconsin come into play.

The LE in question claimed to be part of a task force from another (unnamed) country who discovered this video a couple of years ago on a hard drive/disk during a raid.

There was a video name posted, and at least one other commenter claimed it has been circulating and was on a number of sites. That could all be false, it could be another video, etc. The video in question did contain a youth as a perp and a youth as a victim, although the involvement of adults is unknown. From what I've read I thought that there was an adult voice off camera, so if that's the case then both minors are victims in my eyes.

My understand re: Minnesota and Wisconsin was that because of the t-shirt he was wearing, LE thought that he might be from that area or have passed through, visited relatives there, etc. because that's where the largest concentration of Minnesota sports fans are. There may be more linking it to the area that I don't know of, because that seems pretty weak on its own.

 

[Sleuthsayers]

having LE make anonymous comments seems counter intuitive to me. I am not sure I am following, which happens a lot. :blushing:

Do you think that the commentor is the youth we are trying to ID? Do you think the commentor has seen the video? Has anyone here seen the video?

I realize that some of the commentors were alluding to the youth being a perp rather than a victim. Is that what is being discussed here? And I wonder where Minnesota and Western Wisconsin come into play.

Well he claims to be "secret police" from another country. So without knowing which country or agency, who knows that their protocol is. And ...sadly.. I *have* actually seen investigators get involved with cases , commenting online and getting very involved with the victim's family, etc. So you never know.

If he is lying I don't think he's the kid in the video, but rather someone trying to get people to do a search for a video on a site he might get income from?

Or just a jerk, who knows.

And even if the kid we're trying to ID isn't the one being victimized in this particular video, it doesn't mean he isn't a victim himself. ( I just wanted to say that because I had been one of the people alluding to the fact that he might be doing something to someone else in this particular video.
Again to reiterate, that doesn't mean that he isn't a victim as well. )

 

[pjclover]

The LE in question claimed to be part of a task force from another (unnamed) country who discovered this video a couple of years ago on a hard drive/disk during a raid.

There was a video name posted, and at least one other commenter claimed it has been circulating and was on a number of sites. That could all be false, it could be another video, etc. The video in question did contain a youth as a perp and a youth as a victim, although the involvement of adults is unknown. From what I've read I thought that there was an adult voice off camera, so if that's the case then both minors are victims in my eyes.

My understand re: Minnesota and Wisconsin was that because of the t-shirt he was wearing, LE thought that he might be from that area or have passed through, visited relatives there, etc. because that's where the largest concentration of Minnesota sports fans are. There may be more linking it to the area that I don't know of, because that seems pretty weak on its own.

And I should add that when I say the video in question contained two minors, this is also based on other commenters, so I don't know how true that is.

 

[Hamsterdance]

Well I closed all windows and deleted cookies, came back and I was still logged in here...So I'm not entirely confident that I actually deleted cookies, lol.

Anyway, I also screenshotted the post by the "secret police" guy.

Mostly seems credible to me because of the amount of details he gives about the video.

Unless of course he was trying to get people to do what I did and actually do a search for it and he gets paid for hits or something? I don't know.

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