Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #35

[oviedo]

Most homes in country have wells for water. Many rely on fireplaces for heat. Electricity is the issue......unless he illegally connected his electric meter to a neighbors......i've heard of people doing this.

Excellent point - city living is not like that! Thanks for the reminder

 

[hey-Debbie]

Even foreclosure you are not going to have heat or electric, someone has to pay that to keep the fires burning and buy food. Maybe he was on some sort of disability.

Maybe the Dad was paying utilities knowing his kid was staying there. Parents do that. His dad probably never visited him and just paid to keep the lights and heat on for him. He probably told his dad he was looking for work blah blah blah and his dad felt guilty for the divorce. He might have even manipulated his parents guilty divorce conscious to survive.

 

[Msl1966]

There is no proof she was on Discord; in fact the Sheriff stated she had no previous interaction with her kidnapper. It keeps getting brought up because some people are making up their own alternative narrative, but I don't know what their motivation would be. MOO.

What is "on discord"?

 

[cluciano63]

Ur right this was on purpose for sure! But why tho...there’s some reason. He was smart to shave his head. Could have worn gloves as well, no prints anywhere. But a non criminal to this....there was a trigger or he’s just way out there already.

Why? The world is full of criminals, murderers, etc...he is nothing special.

 

[The Dude]

And when you send them enable GPS on their phones - for example I can see one of mine is at a fraternity party now - it’s like the Maurauders map - mine actually set this up so we can see them just in case - imagine if they had a ring doorbell and he was in such a hurry he missed it and shot that door in- would LE be able to identify him? Don’t know but it’s worked in my town for porch private’s peeping toms etc $100 well spent IMO

Yes, a Ring would have been activated and captured his image before he fired, and would have captured enough to identify him.

 

[WisconsinSleuth02]

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[oviedo]

Oh his DNA is going to be entered.

I’m sure there are previous crimes, but this very well might have been his first violent one.

You’re right, it’s a hell of a leap to go from nothing, to a crime like this.

I’m wondering if there will be things uncovered at the house

 

[Rubiconbob]

I don't think he had a mental breakdown. I think more a feeling of superiority and confidence. And issues with authority.

You could be right, id like to know what his first three/5 years on earth were like, I’m not giving absolution, just think some kids with serious neglect from absent parents suffer greatly.....he seems vacant to me. Whatever joy/happiness/gratification he thought the crime would provide, I’m not sure it helped him, in three photos I’ve seen he seems not there....

Most learning happens in the first 3 years

 

[Mistermagoo]

Best home defense...who’d a thunk it...a shotgun! Most bang for ur buck, even in the dark. Or in crimes also apparently...screw a security system, dog and a shotgun is all I need! FYI taught my daughter to shoot at 12, ya know just in case

What?

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

They do. Not a lot, once you are disabled for a while and are old-ish like me. But I did get paperwork every few years at first. But who says he was getting disability anyway?

I don't think anyone is saying he is. No more so than the posts about parents supporting him, rich kid etc..
PS: if old-ish is 6* I am right there with you lol

 

[katydid23]

Because this crime was planned.

My point was that I had originally entertained the idea that something similar to the Cheshire murders occurred. That this guy had spotted Jayme in public, and followed her home.

This wasn’t that. I was wrong.

HOWEVER, it could have been a combination of the two things. He could have planned in advance, that he was going to bring home a girl. And he saves up some supplies, built in a way to hold her hostage at the house, like a locked closet or basement, etc, shaves his head, AND THEN he goes hunting an hour or two from his cabin.

He could have seen her and her mom at the market, or saw them as they were returning from the family party, etc etc. Then waited until the middle of the night so the neighbors would all be asleep....

 

[crhedBngr]

Wondering about two things:

1. Did he observe the Closs family's daily routine by hiding in the woods surrounding the Closs residence? I'm almost thinking that he had to do so.

2. Did he participate in the organized searches for Jayme? Ariel Castro did so, as did Scott Peterson.

Questions, questions.

JMVHO.

ETA: Lovely photo of Jayme and her Aunt!

 

[MsBetsy]

Most homes in country have wells for water. Many rely on fireplaces for heat. Electricity is the issue......unless he illegally connected his electric meter to a neighbors......i've heard of people doing this.

I thought the sheriff said the house had both water and electricity. Is that not the case?

 

[DutchTreat]

You could be right, id like to know what his first three/5 years on earth were like, I’m not giving absolution, just think some kids with serious neglect from absent parents suffer greatly.....he seems vacant to me. Whatever joy/happiness/gratification he thought the crime would provide, I’m not sure it helped him, in three photos I’ve seen he seems not there....

Most learning happens in the first 3 years

I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the autistic spectrum.

 

[Oakland CA]

Depends on the person. My phone could go off all night with a security warning and I won’t hear it. Let my dog bark once, I’m wide awake!

Exactly.

Dogs and guns are not for everyone (and therefore not the best form of security, in their view). Likewise for security cameras/alarms.

Preference is subjective which makes neither "better or best"

 

[JudgeJoe]

I was cool in the past too, I'd appreciate it if someone would give me cliff notes on the different gaming or chat sites or others mentioned. Thanks in advance

Gaming, chatrooms & I’ll add social media cliff notes. Good idea Wild West!

 

[MommaK43]

Exactly.

Dogs and guns are not for everyone (and therefore not the best form of security, in their view). Likewise for security cameras/alarms.

Preference is subjective which makes neither "better or best"

Thank you!

 

[MassGuy]

HOWEVER, it could have been a combination of the two things. He could have planned in advance, that he was going to bring home a girl. And he saves up some supplies, built in a way to hold her hostage at the house, like a locked closet or basement, etc, shaves his head, AND THEN he goes hunting an hour or two from his cabin.

He could have seen her and her mom at the market, or saw them as they were returning from the family party, etc etc. Then waited until the middle of the night so the neighbors would all be asleep....

That’s an excellent point. This very well could have been a mixture.

He was going to kidnap someone, but didn’t have a specific target in mind until just before the crime.

 

[msnikkii]

From Hennipen County’s Twitter account
In recognition of Jayme Closs's homecoming, the Lowry Bridge is lit blue and green tonight — the same colors that the community of #Barron, Wisconsin, used to decorate a Christmas tree for Jayme while she was missing.

 

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