Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #37

[ilovepierre]

I would love to think he'll even plead out, but that's hard to imagine. We got spoiled by the quick plea deal with C Watts.

I was even on Mollie Tibbetts thread hoping her killer would plead out and save the family from a lengthy, emotional devastating trial.

The odds are against it I'm afraid, and yes, these defendants are disgusting I agree.

Is WI a DP state?
He may plead out if it takes the possibility of the DP off the table.

IMO

 

[Mom24]

Could someone help me understand how he gained entry, shot both James and Denise, and managed to grab and go with Jayme in just a few minutes?

I can get that he shot the door in, which is what I read in today's news, I can get that maybe James was standing at the door and was hit through it, we don't know yet, or was shot point blank inside the house. ( This is so difficult to type).
We believe at this time that Denise was also shot very quickly with a shotgun and died instantly.

Is there any reason for the guy to have thought Jayme might have escaped through another exit? If not, why not?
This is a real sticking point for me.
What if he'd killed 2 adults to get to their daughter, and she, a trained runner, had already run out another door to the neighbor's house?

Could this have happened, but just didn't, if we believe he acted alone and had no accomplice when he took Jayme out of her home?

I want to make it perfectly clear that I'm looking at his actions and what else could happen during the home invasion and 2 murders. It is NO reflection on Jayme at all. She is an innocent
victim of a horrific set of crimes against her and her dear parents.

I'm coming at this opinion from my own perspective, but if I'm asleep and I hear a loud bang, it would take me a minute to get my bearings. Then I'd run to my child's room and try to run out. I'm guessing DC did the same. JC (dad) probably ran to the door to see what was happening, I'm guessing the shot loosened the latch so it still had to be kicked in to fully open, as Dad reached the door he was shot. DC would run to her child and maybe they were trying to reach the back door as she was also dialing 911 and DC was shot. At that point she's going to do what she's told, to exit the house with him. He wouldn't need an accomplice.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Is WI a DP state?
He may plead out if it takes the possibility of the DP off the table.

IMO

No death penalty in WI, so no bargaining chip.

 

[StarEyes]

Watching Jayme in the news special, her eyes were shining so bright and alert. I thought she didn’t look like someone that had been sexually abused during her capture. (Just my own opinion)

As much as I’d love to believe that, I think she likely was. That is respectfully just my opinion. I hid my sexual abuse as a kid and even as an adult. You sort of compartmentalize it. I HOPE you are right. Despite what all happened to her in those 88 days, she DOES still shine. He didn’t break her spirit. She’s a warrior. jmo

 

[crhedBngr]

It's a crime that's fraught with a lot of potential misses and it's aggressive, highly aggressive.
It would be like making a wedding cake if you've never baked or even cooked before. It's doable, but highly unlikely.
To go from a quiet, never in trouble kid to this is a jump. No aggression reported from his school, in other words he wasn't used to "taking on" another person. It's reported he did some wrestling early on, and that would give him some confidence in being physically aggressive with another person, but it wasn't an activity he did for years. He broke into someone's private home, while they were home. Two adults. Not an elderly couple, but two adults who were both ambulatory. Guns in the homes in most places in that area. He'd stand more of chance of getting shot than being successful, he didn't hesitate, he was quick and methodical, he didn't have an issue with being in an unfamiliar home with two adults who were armed. Yet he was a quiet kid in school who never got into trouble.
Let that sink in, he never got into trouble. No trouble. He didn't invade people's personal space, he didn't sit at the back of the room carving his initials in the desk, he didn't peep into windows, he didn't steal things off his teacher's desk, no pushing or shoving, no aggressive behavior or boundary issues.
Each thing he did was crossing a boundary, breaking into a home, shooting the residents, grabbing their child, evading the police, holding her hostage for months. Each of those actions were crossing a boundary, a huge boundary, and yet he did it having never crossed any boundaries before other than siphoning gas once? I'm not buying it, IMO.

I'm not buying it, either. As details of this crime continue to trickle out, we'll hopefully find out more about his background.

 

[katydid23]

I think I read that both of her parents worked at the turkey store for 27 years which would lead me to believe they both worked the first shift. I have no way of knowing because the day of the murders JC and her mom attended a birthday party and her father was working. The party was on a Sunday though, so he was probably working overtime. Just speculating here.

It is possible he wasn't working that Sunday. His wife said he was, but I say the same thing, on a weekend, at a family event, if my husband just prefers to stay home and chill with a beer and the game. This was a child's birthday party at her relatives house. Maybe her husband wanted to politely give a reason that he wasn't able to attend?

 

[Lillymac]

Is WI a DP state?
He may plead out if it takes the possibility of the DP off the table.

IMO

No unfortunately it isn't.

 

[Rhenish]

Will his court appearance tomorrow be televised? Someone posted earlier (verified attorney) that he will plea "not guilty" as it is required at the first appearance....a legal thing. My hope is that afterwards he would just plea "guilty" like Christopher Watts did in Colorado. Since no death penalty in Wisconsin he will just get life in prison. There are so many cases in our court system that drag on and on for years. I hope this is not one of them. I always felt this was a targeted attack, but I never felt Jayme was the target. My mind never want to go there. He is a disgusting human being.

It is so hard to guess what he may or may not do because so little is known about him, he seems like he led a rather reclusive life at this point but it is really hard to know. Certainly not too many people that have known him in his most recent years since high school have stepped forward to provide any type of "profile" about him. To me it appears that since high school he has been reclusive. I think once his attorneys review the evidence, and take into account the victim is alive and able to provide evidence, they may advise him to plea guilty. I doubt there will be much room for plea bargaining because of the double murder, from what is known so far I believe there will be sufficient evidence against him.

If he takes this to trial I believe he may just be looking to be in the limelight and will be simply buying as much time as possible for himself to be out of his jail cell for the trial as, IMO, most sociopaths would do. Whatever he chooses his choice will likely be based on what HE thinks is in HIS best interest, without compassion toward anyone but himself. IMO

 

[ArizonaNative]

She outsmarted him and overpowered him! Remarkable!!

 

[ilovepierre]

No death penalty in WI, so no bargaining chip.

Oh, darn.

 

[Tim Constas]

Is WI a DP state?
He may plead out if it takes the possibility of the DP off the table.

IMO

No it's not. It was abolished in 1853.

 

[StarEyes]

Wanted to share this. I copied in pasted for those that can not read from the link. I apologize if it has already been posted:
Ex-kidnapping victim: Jayme Closs needs space, time to heal

Ex-kidnapping victim: Jayme Closs needs space, time to heal
Katie Beers was abducted, kept in concrete bunker 26 years ago

Updated: 11:33 AM CST Jan 13, 2019
Jayme Closs had been found alive in rural Wisconsin nearly three months after police say a man shot and killed her parents then abducted the girl from their home.

"She is going to have to grieve the loss of her parents and also come to terms with the fact she was abducted, escaped and whatever (other) hell she went through," said Beers. "And it's not going to be easy."
Beers knows that better than most.

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Great post! That’s exactly how I feel Jayme should be allowed to deal with her trauma. PTSD includes feeling like you are never in control. A big part of therapy is teaching you that you are in control, and for the times you aren’t, there are healthy ways to cope. As a rape survivor, I didn’t tell anyone for 3yrs. I was too ashamed, though I now know that’s not true and is common. She may experience survivors guilt over her parents being killed. We don’t have any facts as to what happened to poor Jayme in those 88 days. I’m ok never knowing. I want her to have every control she can possess. I REALLY feel like her family, and community, will be rockstars at protecting and supporting her decisions. Thank God. She’s a warrior! jmo

 

[Rubiconbob]

It is so hard to guess what he may or may not do because so little is known about him, he seems like he led a rather reclusive life at this point but it is really hard to know. Certainly not too many people that have known him in his most recent years since high school have stepped forward to provide any type of "profile" about him. To me it appears that since high school he has been reclusive. I think once his attorneys review the evidence, and take into account the victim is alive and able to provide evidence, they may advise him to plea guilty. I doubt there will be much room for plea bargaining because of the double murder,from what is known so far I believe there will be sufficient evidence against him.

If he takes this to trial I believe he may just be looking to be in the limelight and will be simply buying as much time as possible for himself to be out of his jail cell for the trial as, IMO, most sociopaths would do. Whatever he chooses his choice will likely be based on what HE thinks is in HIS best interest, without compassion toward anyone but himself. IMO

Normally you could threaten solitary confinement but he might love that ..

I doubt it goes to trial and wouldn’t be surprised if he chooses to end it vs divulging the why.... and the how..

 

[SeekingJana]

They'll usually also give a bolus of antibiotics and fluids, which is why I wasn't surprised she was kept overnight.

Not for a single incident, which I was relating my experience concerning, but most doctors and nurses never ever have contact with a long- held abducted person.
Of course, if a person had escaped captivity, looked thin or said they'd had little to eat and lab reports showed hemoconcentration indicative of dehydration, rehydrating fluids and maybe IV antibiotics would be started.
They'd also receive a yummy nutritious hospital meal ( LOL) or family would be allowed to bring in burgers, fries, etc from a local 24 hour fast food restaurant.

In the absence of open wounds or other healing physical injuries, a lovely long bath or shower and hair washing after the person had been cleared to go to a 24 hour observation room, pediatric teen room, or other type hospital room, depending on the size and services offered.

 

[Rhenish]

She outsmarted him and overpowered him! Remarkable!!

Which to me indicates he lacked sophistication and this was likely his "first time." Given that, who knows really, it could come out that their are others that came before Jayme. Remains to be seen..........

 

[Tim Constas]

It is possible he wasn't working that Sunday. His wife said he was, but I say the same thing, on a weekend, at a family event, if my husband just prefers to stay home and chill with a beer and the game. This was a child's birthday party at her relatives house. Maybe her husband wanted to politely give a reason that he wasn't able to attend?

I was merely going by the stated facts which were that he was working.

 

[StarEyes]

Speaking as to how we helped a survivor of a sexual trauma, but never a kidnapped recovered long term survivor..
They would have already drawn blood for the most sensitive blood pregnancy test, as well as the sexually transmitted diseases which are detectable through blood more reliably than other fluids. Likewise, a rape kit taken using forensic protocols with a female LE officer present to start legal chain of custody would be done for forensic testing. ( Some depts. still have no or minimal female officers and the GYN. specialist who performs the exam will be the one who seals and initials the rape kit along with starting the paperwork which accompanies the kit.)

A separate pelvic exam ( uses different standards of specimen collection and handling and goes to the hospital lab for testing quickly) using her cells and fluid from the exam will be cultured to check for the less serious STIs. The doctor would also check for the earliest symptoms of pregnancy, which show up on a pelvic exam after 6 weeks but well before 12 weeks, but are presumptive signs, not diagnostic.
She may or may not have been given a Rx for precautionary antibiotics, but some doctors do start the ones most likely to treat a wide variety of STIs rather than let them grow until the lab testing has finished.

This is my experience. That of other nurses may vary. She likely was mildly sedated for the invasive processes due to her age and overall trauma.

Thank you so much for the thorough explanation. I’m beginning to feel more at ease about it. I hate to think of Jayme enduring all she has. I get tested as needed for STIs, VD, HIV. I was far too scared and ashamed to report my rape, let alone have an exam. I wish it had been different. Jayme having her wonderful family support and love from all around, I hope she’s able to heal as much as possible. PTSD is rough, but the sooner she gets help, once/if the symptoms develop, the better for her life. I just hope she’s able to keep everything she wants to private. I’m happy to know the nurses & drs would’ve taken such thorough steps in the exam. jmo

 

[MimosaMornings]

Has anyone checked Indeed to see if he has a resume out there?

 

[katydid23]

I was merely going by the stated facts which were that he was working.

I understand. But later, other potential facts came out stating there was no shift for him on Sunday that he would be working. So it made me wonder if she just said that to her family, to cover for the fact that he preferred to watch football instead of visiting them. lol

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

She outsmarted him and overpowered him! Remarkable!!

She outsmarted him and overpowered him! Remarkable!!

Do you have a link to details of escape and this? I want to read/watch. Thanks