Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[SeekingJana]

Has it been confirmed that JP has a mental illness or is the psychotropic med talk just speculation?
Sorry if this has been asked and answered.

JMO

I can tell you that I pay particular attention to the psych. aspects of the case and I have not read nor heard one single word about JP taking any psychotropic meds.

As far as mental illness, yeah. To go to a stranger's home and shoot two parents dead for kicks and abduct their 13 year old, 100 lb. 5 foot daughter, he was definitely mentally ill, with a disorder that starts in childhood and usually escalates over a period of years, and has no effective treatment and no cure- Antisocial Personality Disorder with violence, which most people call " a psychopath". Most people will never know a person with this disorder.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Here's the article that said JP spent time in foster care. I had to find out where that came from.
Wisconsin kidnapping, killing suspect lived under the radar
Another neighbor, PO, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that the brothers often got into trouble. She said they stole things and spent time in foster care

Thanks for posting this again.., do u know what she means...

Did Patrick Paterson adopt Erik or jake??
Did Patrick Paterson give up kids at some point... this is strange that she says foster care...and we don’t see.... birth parent vs foster... you have all articles referencing town of Gordon and that home age 11/12 forward... and he never leaves house..from that point on ...where does foster care come into play.

 

[BradB]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

 

[Ragnarok]

Reference the infamous chair, if the damage we saw was due to a slug it probably happened when JP shot the door to breach it, with the slug traveling through into the chair near James.

I don't remember if this theory was presented previously and if so apologies for repetition. Passed many pages and posts over the last three months.

 

[retiredrickyinCO]

That explanation is impossible. The math doesn't add up.

I certainly can't understand how "the math doesn't add up."

First of all the officer on County Hwy P traveled 29 miles in 25 minutes which means he average 69 MPH which isn't a problem at all. These rural roads have long stretches of nothing. The second officer coming from Hwy E traveled 28 miles in 25 minutes which means he averaged 67 MPH, extremely easy to do on rural roads with lights and siren flashing.

I'm guessing your issue is with the officer that came from the Superior area which is 45 miles away and covered the distance in 29 minutes. To do this he would have to average 92 MPH which again is easy to do. Hwy 53 is a 4 lane road and not that much traffic. The speed limit from Superior to Gordon is 70 MPH and I can tell you from having driven it lots that most drivers drive between 75-80 or more. That road as well is usually dry in the winter unless it is just after a snowfall. It is mostly a straight fast shot. For a police officer to average 92 MPH on that stretch of road with emergency lights/siren on is quite easy as again most drivers are doing almost 80. Don't mean to beat a dead horse but it is extremely doable. Being it is a 4 lane road I'm sure they like to stretch the legs of those big ol' Dodge cars they have and coupled with that they are rescuing "the long lost Jayme Closs" yes, absolutely it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Quill]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

Why, of course not.

 

[Mom24]

Thanks for posting this again.., do u know what she means...

Did Patrick Paterson adopt Erik or jake??
Did Patrick Paterson give up kids at some point... this is strange that she says foster care...and we don’t see.... birth parent vs foster... you have all articles referencing town of Gordon and that home age 11/12 forward... and he never leaves house..from that point on ...where does foster care come into play.

Both boys are his biological children, so no he didn't adopt them.
Children can be put into foster care for a variety of reasons, sometimes they're removed from the home because there are issues within the home, sometimes they are removed because the child is having a difficult time, sometimes they are placed in foster care due to health issues with parents. It's hard to say why or when they were in foster care and other than that one article, I haven't found any other mention of it.

 

[SeekingJana]

New Study Links Brain Injuries to "Acquired Sociopathy"

I hope the defense attorneys do not read here, because this is relatively new and I expect, from colleagues, that there may be a new diagnosis based on just one severe episode of CHT/ CBT.

Good find, but it could change the direction of a trial soon.. probably not this one, not at 21 years old, but I do worry about future trials. Remember, a jury of her peers found Casey Anthony not guilty.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Well anyway they shouldn't be claiming that they were traveling over 100 mph, if they weren't.

Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable if the report had said, as they usually do, "at speeds at times reaching 100 mph". It's ridiculous IMO to assume they were implying 100mph was the average or constant speed.

Last week a dude held up a bank in Bend, Oregon. There ensued a high-speed chase south into California and then west toward Redding. I saw two video clips, one at the OR/CA border and one shortly before the dude rolled the car and was taken into custody. Chasing LE were going FAST in the clips, near 100mph. But I know they went through five or more small towns along the way just in California, plus who knows how many in Oregon, and unless they had the highway blocked of other traffic (a likelihood at some point since they were deploying spike strips) I'm willing to bet they slowed way down when in town, with kids crossing the street, etc -- it was late afternoon, school's-out time. I believe they averaged about 70 through the whole chase. 35-40 in towns, then 100ish on the open straights. Jayme's call was certainly an urgent call, but not the kind of in-progress emergency that would warrant risking more innocent lives along the way.

It's on the tape. The dispatcher diverted the EMS to a staging area, to wait. Then the police then took her out of the area.

And, if it was a "she's bleeding out" or "heart attack" kind of emergency, I've no doubt that would have tipped the scales to letting the ambulance in before LE, or LE escorting the ambulance in to transport her, if she needed emergency treatment en route. IMO the risk of JP appearing was high enough that their prioritization to wait for LE was completely appropriate.

Ughhh.... thanks... so the whole 5 ft in the house was never even close to fact ... just Fitzgerald misdirection ???

Whoa... misdirection? Harsh! There easily might not have been observable evidence of JP's back-of-house check, so it well may have appeared initially that the perp didn't go in beyond the bathroom. "Only five feet" might have been a bit of hyperbole but close to what was actually known until his detailed confession.

 

[Yvettea]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

In a small town it is better to be socially adept since the town depends on people working together. If you are anti-social you are likely to be viewed as odd, at best, and you may be shunned.

 

[BradB]

Makes sense Han.

 

[MsBetsy]

Your likely right, I’m no CTE expert, and whatever sluether said attempting to apply logic to illogical won’t work... still think it’s worth looking at his head... planning this out and not being able to keep job... confusing

Not a shrink... but likely disconnect after parents divorce ....with marines dream dying being nail in coffin to complete withdrawal...

How he plays computer games and avoids smart phones is stunning... it’s almost like he subconsciously knew he’d end up
Doing this 5 yrs ago...the rest was just going through motions..

The movie about the Forensic Pathologist/ Neurosurgeon who discovered it shows in detail how he discovered CTE. He is played by Will Smith and it tells the whole story about the first football player it was recognized in. That's how I first learned about it. It even shows what the brain samples look like under a microscope and all that cool stuff. There's a lot of football in it too.

 

[SeekingJana]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

It has more to do with interaction with the people we normally do have in our lives to varying degrees of contact: teachers, fellow students, parents, siblings, the guy at the grocery store, his car mechanic. He apparently did not look at or speak to the average person in his environment.

. Did you see his HS photo where he's rows behind his smiling, standing classmates, sullen, rather slumped, a book on the table? He could not have gotten further away from his classmates.
That photo is extremely indicative of what anti-social personality disorder is in a teen.

Also, the behavior towards the one gf he is said to have had when he was around 13. He was cruel in a sick manner, she broke up with him, and he was so angry he slashed her mother's car's tires. This is the kind of disregard for other people's feelings the ASPD person has from around age 6.

 

[The Dude]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

Being quiet and preferring to be alone isn’t the definition of “Anti-social”. It’s just being an introvert, which is in no way a disorder or indicator of anything violent or illegal. Besides, look at Ted Bundy. Better watch out for that outgoing charismatic neighbor of yours!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

Not in my experience. Most people are pretty open in small towns. In towns this size, you get to know everyone.

 

[MemPat]

I can't get it to link but the infamous Daily Mail says one of the women who helped Jayme says this brave girl should get the $50,000 reward since she saved herself. Wouldn't that be great?

 

[pepper 34]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

Aside from meeting friends in school, many small towns have other activities where kids can get together. 4H club, sports teams, county fairs, after school clubs and activities... People are social animals no matter where they live, imo. I won't talk personal stories but.... Remember inseparable best friends forever, Abby and Libby... and they had many other friends, too, in their rural town.

 

[MsBetsy]

Both boys are his biological children, so no he didn't adopt them.
Children can be put into foster care for a variety of reasons, sometimes they're removed from the home because there are issues within the home, sometimes they are removed because the child is having a difficult time, sometimes they are placed in foster care due to health issues with parents. It's hard to say why or when they were in foster care and other than that one article, I haven't found any other mention of it.

Both boys are his biological children, so no he didn't adopt them.
Children can be put into foster care for a variety of reasons, sometimes they're removed from the home because there are issues within the home, sometimes they are removed because the child is having a difficult time, sometimes they are placed in foster care due to health issues with parents. It's hard to say why or when they were in foster care and other than that one article, I haven't found any other mention of it.

Yes, a lot of kids are temporarily placed in foster care because of running away or truancy issues, drug use, or a situation in which the parents cannot control their actions. Basically if the courts decide a child is out of the parents control, they can take over custody of that child temporarily until the parents win back custody. It can be for 6 months or a year in a group- home setting, as well. Imo

 

[Seattle1]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

I think I understand what you're asking. I don't believe anti-social behavior equates to the size of town you reside in. Anti-social behavior is more about temperament, disruptive acts, and overt hostility and intentional aggression toward others. Whereas shyness or being quiet, I can see where living in a small town would limit your exposure to things and people than let's say your peers living in large city would know of and experience. I think that might make you more reserved to be around somebody from the City-- fearing you'd have nothing to talk about and/or relate to -- especially if you already tend towards the quiet side. MOO

Here's more of a description of anti-social behavior below:

Description
Antisocial behavior may be overt, involving aggressive actions against siblings, peers, parents, teachers, or other adults, such as verbal abuse, bullying and hitting; or covert, involving aggressive actions against property, such as theft, vandalism, and fire-setting. Covert antisocial behaviors in early childhood may include noncompliance, sneaking, lying , or secretly destroying another's property. Antisocial behaviors also include drug and alcohol abuse and high-risk activities involving self and others.

Read more: Antisocial Behavior - symptoms, stages, Definition, Description, Demographics, Causes and symptoms, Diagnosis

 

[MKZoo]

Not in my experience. Most people are pretty open in small towns. In towns this size, you get to know everyone.

I agree. I grew up in much much larger “small town” in the upper Midwest. I haven’t lived there in many years and when I go home, the number of people who still seem to know my business is mind boggling. It definitely strikes me as odd that he was a total enigma in a town that small.

Imo.