Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[ilovepierre]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

There's a difference between just being antisocial (in the sense that you're probably introverted) and having antisocial personality disorder.
Lots of people grow up in small towns and manage to become productive members of society.
JP, on the other hand, had signs that there was something amiss.

IMO

 

[mickey2942]

I have a weird question. I don’t mean to come off as ignorant either. Everybody says JP stuck to himself and was quiet. Anti-social.

But when you live in a town of 3oo for most of your life, doesn’t that come with the territory? Isn’t that expected?

No, people who live in small towns are not quiet or anti-social.

 

[singlemom]

I thought the operator wanted to know if she was being chased when I heard it.

Yes, I thought she was worried that the girl might panic and run out the door because she was afraid he would come after her.

On another topic, even though she doesn't say that she's dispatched LE to the location, you can hear a lot of typing in the background and later she says that LE is on the way. This happens in many of the 911 calls I have heard. The civilian calling is repeatedly asking them to send help, the dispatcher doesn't say right away that they've sent help and then a few seconds later they say that officers are en route. I would guess that the dispatcher can't ask for detailed information, type and simultaneously tell the caller that help is on the way. They can multitask but only up to a point.

JMO of course.

 

[Andreee]

When I heard this 911 call I was confused as to why the operator asked if JC was "running". No one has brought it up, but yet I'm still confused by why she would ask such a question. .

Yes, I was wondering that re. the running as well. I was not overly impressed.

 

[Andreee]

Yes, I thought she was worried that the girl might panic and run out the door because she was afraid he would come after her.

On another topic, even though she doesn't say that she's dispatched LE to the location, you can hear a lot of typing in the background and later she says that LE is on the way. This happens in many of the 911 calls I have heard. The civilian calling is repeatedly asking them to send help, the dispatcher doesn't say right away that they've sent help and then a few seconds later they say that officers are en route. I would guess that the dispatcher can't ask for detailed information, type and simultaneously tell the caller that help is on the way. They can multitask but only up to a point.

JMO of course.

Yes, I really do think that a quick reassurance to the caller, 'help is on the way as we speak' would be in order! It doesn't get relayed often enough early on in these types of calls!

 

[zea mays]

Yes, I was wondering that re. the running as well. I was not overly impressed.

I'm fairly certain the dispatcher was trying to understand if JC was actively being chased by someone or not.

 

[ilovepierre]

I'm fairly certain the dispatcher was trying to understand if JC was actively being chased by someone or not.

That's what I'm thinking as well...

 

[singlemom]

Yes, I really do think that a quick reassurance to the caller, 'help is on the way as we speak' would be in order! It doesn't get relayed often enough early on in these types of calls!

I agree. Very frustrating!

 

[Alethea]

Yes, I thought she was worried that the girl might panic and run out the door because she was afraid he would come after her.

On another topic, even though she doesn't say that she's dispatched LE to the location, you can hear a lot of typing in the background and later she says that LE is on the way. This happens in many of the 911 calls I have heard. The civilian calling is repeatedly asking them to send help, the dispatcher doesn't say right away that they've sent help and then a few seconds later they say that officers are en route. I would guess that the dispatcher can't ask for detailed information, type and simultaneously tell the caller that help is on the way. They can multitask but only up to a point.

JMO of course.

Thank God I missed most of this discussion but you're completely right.

The job of a 911 operator is to keep the person on the phone calm so they can provide clear and calm information to the LE officers who arrive on the scene. They will often ask what seem to be mundane, unimportant questions because while you are giving your name, address, birthdate, etc., you are physically calming down from a panicked state and you will be more likely to provide useful information quickly to police.

They will immediately send LE over and then try to keep you calm on the line. That's what they are trained to do and it has a purpose. If you are trying to recall factual information to help the 911 operator, you aren't screaming, or crying, or panicking, or out of breath - you are taking calm breaths and answering questions.

 

[Karinna]

I'm fairly certain the dispatcher was trying to understand if JC was actively being chased by someone or not.

Haven't heard the call so not sure if the dispatcher was asking certain questions to better relay the situation to LE?

 

[moonlessnight]

from listening to LE in the background on the 911 call, it sounded to me like they all had MAJOR concerns about safety, given the nature of the crime. I don't think any of them were too anxious to head into that rescue scene alone. I think they kept all the evidence confidential to keep Jayme alive. I think they believed that if JP thought they were onto any of his leads, he would kill JC.

I think LE more than likely was looking for the maroon Taurus, which there are lots of them. I guess they just didn't feel they had enough of a description to give to us to look for it. However, could they have asked the maroon car that yielded that night on hwy 8 at approx. 1:00 a.m. to please contact LE, in case they had seen something?

 

[BradB]

Thanks for all the responses.

 

[Abba's Tears]

That is their spin on it, and their math doesn't add up. As for the operator, she wasn't doing anything to keep them calm. They were keeping themselves calm. The operator even said that.

The operator started the call off as if it was a false report. I doubt that she even dispatched the help, until well into the call.

It's obvious you have no idea how 911 works, or how how extensive the training is for emergency telecommunications. The dispatcher is going attempt to confirm the validity of the call, and considering the shock of hearing that Jayme had been located it was not wrong for the dispatcher to question the caller about that reported fact. Additionally, it is common practice for a second dispatcher to get units en route while the initial dispatcher is on the 911 call obtaining information. That is likely what happened here. Having another dispatcher send the responding units allows for the dispatcher who is on the 911 call to maintain contact with the caller without interruption and can be imperative in critical calls such as this. It is not always possible, but very valuable when it is. There is no "spin" on the response time. Officers got there as quickly as they could considering the distance they had to travel, and the road conditions. It's not like they stopped for a donut and coffee on the way. They busted their adam sam sam's to get to Jayme. Your repeated criticism of the dispatchers and responding officers is uncalled for and offensive.

 

[moonlessnight]

maybe this has been discussed already - NY Post is MSM, right?
JP killed a dog and claimed he was "experimenting with animals", in addition to being obsessed with road kill. By now, everyone knows hurting animals is the path to violence towards people. No one said anything.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/15/jayme...nce-killed-dog-was-obsessed-with-roadkill-ex/

 

[The Dude]

Still critiquing the dispatcher? Really?

I’ll just say this... if ever I’m abducted - say by a rogue gang of middle aged women - and I’m able to procure my escape, I hope it’s in Douglas County, WI. Same neighbors. Same dispatcher. Same deputies. Then, after the smoke clears, I’ll log on here and read all about how inept my rescuers were.

 

[Bluebythec]

The reports I read said she was taken to the police station in a police car. An ambulance could have removed her right away. Hospitals are generally considered a safe secure location where crime victims can receive treatment, counseling, and be interviewed by police all at the same time.

Do you have a link for that? I seem to remember reading here that she was taken to an ambulance outside the perimeter that had been set up and from there to the hospital?

 

[Scrapper18]

Thanks for posting this again.., do u know what she means...

Did Patrick Paterson adopt Erik or jake??
Did Patrick Paterson give up kids at some point... this is strange that she says foster care...and we don’t see.... birth parent vs foster... you have all articles referencing town of Gordon and that home age 11/12 forward... and he never leaves house..from that point on ...where does foster care come into play.

Several others have answered with good reasons why JTP may have spent time in foster care. Coming from only one source, I’m not sure I completely believe it. This neighbor could be confused with someone else, or could mean they spent time in a juvenile delinquency center.

 

[moonlessnight]

agree. killing and experimenting with animals and road kill is a major red flag. slashing the tires of his ex-gf's mother car. couldn't hold a job. was in foster care. theft. It's all there. probably bed wetting, too.

There's a difference between just being antisocial (in the sense that you're probably introverted) and having antisocial personality disorder.
Lots of people grow up in small towns and manage to become productive members of society.
JP, on the other hand, had signs that there was something amiss.

IMO

 

[Bluebythec]

Before this case I was not aware that there were so many people whose expertise in high speed emergency driving, tactics, and probable cause lived in northern Wisconsin.

 

[gngr~snap]

If he was bringing JP medicine I dont think he was taking it. If he was, we might not have this thread. Maybe PP was dropping by to tell him to get a job, and ask him when the hell he was going to get out of his cabin.

Nevertheless, I dont know why people keep saying that JP planned his crime so well. He basically drove to someone's house and murdered them. Then after kidnapping their daughter, he brought her to his family's cabin, and locked her under his bed.

The guy is basically a crackpot. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for what he did. Except for the fact that if he would have gotten away with it, he would have done it again. Like I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that he's committed other similar crimes in the past.

He was basically a serial boogeyman in the making. He makes Richard Ramirez look like a good samaritan. He's what nightmares are made of.

A real life Fred Crouger.

I do wonder if the music was turned up so JC couldn't hear what was being said to her captor or vice versa.
He had a lot to hide!
Moo