Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[K9Enzo]

IMO, she was in a hyper state of awareness, especially the day she fled. In her mind, it probably all came together on what she needed to do, because she had been paying attention to her surroundings. I imagine her being terrified BUT also remaining steady, once the first big task was done, now we focus on the next one, and so on, until she sees the nice lady walking her dog.

Edit to add: when she told the woman she "wanted to go home" it just shows the innocence of a child. That short statement was very telling.

 

[SeekingJana]

Agree. There are many childlike aspects to his actions (after the murder/abduction). I’m curious why he unloaded the shells and placed the shotgun in the trunk of one of the cars on the property, a white vehicle. Is that where it was kept? He later said in the complaint that he didn’t know if it was still in that vehicle or if his Dad bought it into the house.

And speaking of Dad’s visits to the house, from the pics published, doesn’t it look like there was work being done in many of the rooms (ceiling, esp)? Maybe his Dad was doing the labor.

I've been thinking about what he did with the gun, unloading it and " kinda sorta" hiding it, separating the remaining ammo.

I believe he thought Jayme might be able to use a shotgun and that he might be shot if he left the gun intact for protection.
He'd just seen the gruesome damage he'd inflicted with the gun, knew it wasn't hard to shoot a person fatally with it, just point with less precise aiming.

Whether Jayme would or could use the gun or shoot a person is something I have no idea about and do NOT need to know or want to speculate about as she is a victim of violence, and we do not hurt victims.

 

[PrairieWind]

I've been thinking about what he did with the gun, unloading it and " kinda sorta" hiding it, separating the remaining ammo.

I believe he thought Jayme might be able to use a shotgun and that he might be shot if he left the gun intact for protection.
He'd just seen the gruesome damage he'd inflicted with the gun, knew it wasn't hard to shoot a person fatally with it, just point with less precise aiming.

Whether Jayme would or could use the gun or shoot a person is something I have no idea about and do NOT need to know or want to speculate about as she is a victim of violence, and we do not hurt victims.

I suspected this as well. That after a bit of time, as he maybe began to let her out more, that he became aware that the shotgun could be used by her and thats why he unloaded it and separated ammo from gun. He probably figured that by that point, no one was going to come find her and he could just overpower her physically, so he didn't need the gun. Fortunately, he didn't have the shotgun when he was eventually pulled over by LE.

 

[PrairieWind]

Jayme Closs suspect Jake Patterson's motivations will become clear, defense attorneys say

Apologies if this already has been posted.

Edited to correct grammar

I'm sure its all just a big misunderstanding.
Actually, it sounds like they may be considering some sort of mental illness defense. And the comment about not being able to get a fair trial in Wisconsin is crap. That reeks of desperation already.

 

[ilovechili]

Regarding Jayme's ability to think about shoes, etc. --
My gut says she was planning an escape in her head for some time before she actually implemented it. She may have thought through many details, like making sure the red car was gone before leaving the house. It it easy to assume this was a spur of the moment run for freedom, but I would bank on her being more savvy than that.

Some people are more wired for details too. I recall the story of a woman who was abducted several years ago who was driven and taken various places blindfolded. She tried to memorize a few details along the way, thinking it would be valuable WHEN she was able to get away or get help. I don't recall any examples right now (I'll Google it after this post), except for the fact that they took her into a hotel (I think it was) and onto an elevator. By looking down under her blindfold, she could see the floors, so she memorized the type, color, etc. of the lobby floor and the pattern on the elevator floor. She was somehow able to get help and the floor descriptions were key in LE's ability to track down where she was. I remember thinking how smart that was - I do Finance work and am a stickler for details, but I don't think I would ever have thought to do what she did.

We all react differently to stress, fear, trauma, etc., but some people seem to have an inner strength or knack for keeping their wits about them better than others.

I have speculated on similar things. Perhaps he never left shoes. Perhaps he forgot that day or even more likely, perhaps she when freeing herself from under the bed found an old pair one day in the house so she knew where they were. I mean we know from pics things have been left in the house from the sister, family etc., it seems pretty big, closets and more. Perhaps on the rare other occasion (or two, if there were any), she looked outside and had no idea where they were, saw no neighbors, no cars, traffic, etc. because there weren't any people near and decided it was not her best chance. She very well could have waited for her best chance and planned. The neighbor was there, she saw her start her walk, pull in or coming back or she saw smoke from a neighboring fireplace, she ran for the shoes, etc. and tried to catch up with her or get to the house and took her best chance. So many things aligned but i would also bet she was waiting for the right opportunity... She was way smarter than he is no matter what he tries to tell himself...

 

[Rubiconbob]

I've been thinking about what he did with the gun, unloading it and " kinda sorta" hiding it, separating the remaining ammo.

I believe he thought Jayme might be able to use a shotgun and that he might be shot if he left the gun intact for protection.
He'd just seen the gruesome damage he'd inflicted with the gun, knew it wasn't hard to shoot a person fatally with it, just point with less precise aiming.

Whether Jayme would or could use the gun or shoot a person is something I have no idea about and do NOT need to know or want to speculate about as she is a victim of violence, and we do not hurt victims.

I think he thought if her clothes burnt then likely only thing ties me to crime is that gun.
Can’t let it be found , but I want to hold onto it cause it now matter to me, like a game worn jersey or some crap. I don’t think he was giving gun back to anyone....

 

[MassGuy]

I think he thought if her clothes burnt then likely only thing ties me to crime is that gun.
Can’t let it be found , but I want to hold onto it cause it now matter to me, like a game worn jersey or some crap. I don’t think he was giving gun back to anyone....

I mean, if she’s found, who cares about the gun. That would be the least of his worries.

Also, it was his dad’s. He probably couldn’t make it disappear, and not have questions asked.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I mean, if she’s found, who cares about the gun. That would be the least of his worries.

Also, it was his dad’s. He probably couldn’t make it dissapear, and not have questions asked.

Good point, I don’t think he thought she’d bolt ... more likely he had bad end point planned and gun would be nice keepsake...

 

[kkdj]

I'm sure its all just a big misunderstanding.
Actually, it sounds like they may be considering some sort of mental illness defense. And the comment about not being able to get a fair trial in Wisconsin is crap. That reeks of desperation already.

Sounds like Patterson has an excuse? This is double homicide and kidnapping buddy!

 

[PrairieWind]

I think he thought if her clothes burnt then likely only thing ties me to crime is that gun.
Can’t let it be found , but I want to hold onto it cause it now matter to me, like a game worn jersey or some crap. I don’t think he was giving gun back to anyone....

I don't think he wanted to permanently get rid of the gun. I think he wanted to keep it because, in my opinion, he eventually would have tired of Jayme, gotten rid of her and started the whole horrific process over again.

 

[crhedBngr]

When starting to skid, you do not put on your brakes. You steer into the skid not against.

I have a friend who just became LE in MN. He posted pics of their training on a frozen lake in MN. There were cones on the ice so I imagine they make some kind of obstacles to steer around on rhe ice.

Northern Wisconsin can have ice from October through May. The biggest nightmare is black ice. Total surprise.

There are many rivers in WI with bridges over them. One of the most dangerous things are bridges as the difference in temperature between the water, air and road makes black ice. That would slow them down as well.

People in the north all have to learn about driving on ice as there are so many months of it

THIS^^^^

You hit the proverbial nail on the head.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think he wanted to permanently get rid of the gun. I think he wanted to keep it because, in my opinion, he eventually would have tired of Jayme, gotten rid of her and started the whole horrific process over again.

Yup. There’s no way that this would have been a one-off.

At some point circumstances would have changed, and it wouldn’t have been feasible to keep her captive any longer.

He’d get caught sooner or later, but who knows what the potential cost would have been.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Sounds like Patterson has an excuse? This is double homicide and kidnapping buddy!

Ughhh.... noooo

It was just a botched robbery that led to double homicide / kidnapping/ child imprisonment.... unreal...

What fair state does he think would work??
<modsnip: possibly offensive to some members>... most states would want the chair for him or want to know if they can do more than 140 years.

 

[tmar]

IMO, she was in a hyper state of awareness, especially the day she fled. In her mind, it probably all came together on what she needed to do, because she had been paying attention to her surroundings. I imagine her being terrified BUT also remaining steady, once the first big task was done, now we focus on the next one, and so on, until she sees the nice lady walking her dog.

Edit to add: when she told the woman she "wanted to go home" it just shows the innocence of a child. That short statement was very telling.

Jayme was so lucky, that she met the dog walker only 500 feet from where she was held captive.
This all fell into place fortunately.
MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Ughhh.... noooo

It was just a botched robbery that led to double homicide / kidnapping/ child imprisonment.... unreal...

What fair state does he think would work??
<modsnip: possibly offensive to some members>... most states would want the chair for him or want to know if they can do more than 140 years.

Agreed.

This guy is leaving prison in a pine box, I don’t care where he is tried.

I hope he’s placed in general population, just so he gets that social interaction he hates so much.

 

[PrairieWind]

Ughhh.... noooo

It was just a botched robbery that led to double homicide / kidnapping/ child imprisonment.... unreal...

What fair state does he think would work??
<modsnip: possibly offensive to some members>... most states would want the chair for him or want to know if they can do more than 140 years.

I don't know, I think Texas would give him a fair trial.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I know. Imagine going through an intense trauma. Like surviving 9/11. But then on top of it she went through ongoing trauma every moment of every day for the next three months.

It's going to be rough trying to overcome that. Frankly I don't think you totally can. A therapist made the statement to someone close to me who came from a very disordered family that you can't completely heal from trauma. But you can learn to walk with a limp.

BBM

So true -- "Bad family" is the gift that keeps on giving... It's a blessing that Jayme's family is wonderful so she doesn't have to bear any additional burden...

 

[Rubiconbob]

I don't know, I think Texas would give him a fair trial.

Best post ever!!!

 

[MsBetsy]

Sounds like Patterson has an excuse? This is double homicide and kidnapping buddy!

Yeah, let me guess... Poor guy just wanted a friend. He was bullied and traumatized throughout his childhood. His peers made fun of him because he was weird. He was left alone for 12 hours every day to fend for himself. He never learned any social skills, didn't understand there are consequences for bad behavior, and thought it was ok to kill people to get what you want.
He just fell through the cracks. Society failed this young man. He only wanted a friend! He had good intentions! He just didn't know it was wrong. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

Yeah, let me guess... Poor guy just wanted a friend. He was bullied and traumatized throughout his childhood. His peers made fun of him because he was weird. He was left alone for 12 hours every day to fend for himself. He never learned any social skills, didn't understand there are consequences for bad behavior, and thought it was ok to kill people to get what you want.
He just fell through the cracks. Society failed this young man. He only wanted a friend! He had good intentions! He just didn't know it was wrong. Imo

Ha! And then the prosecution speaks:

“This is what he did...”

And the tears (not that there would be any) would turn to rage.