Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[Andreee]

Agree! I think a lowkey presence by Jayme's family circle in media from hereon out would be better all around, just IMO. I myself feel uncomfortable even posting and commenting on this thread anything too detailed or speculative about the whole horrible murders and abduction now that she is back home. In fact, I really think it is unnecessary here to go over and dwell on every little detail and I really hope if more charges are added to this 's list, that everyone, from media to the public will respect Jayme's distance and take cues from her. Furthermore, I don't give a damn about the creep's background and what caused him to do such evil things. It sounds too much like defence of him, and on this forum the only concern should be the victim, and it ain't him.
Of course, it is a necessity for criminologists and LE to study JP in a professional way and hopefully learn some important things to apply to future similar cases.

 

[tnith]

It was stated he did this in order to be close to grandfather...?? Correct??

Liquor store makes 0 sense... it’s human interaction all day... unless he wants to talk to people about jayme all day don’t get this...
Maybe steal 2 cases of liquor and quit day 2.
still think he did recon or looked at aftermath of his crimes online...

Look at moms computer/ grandpa computer search history

He knows importance of wiping down dna on bullets... posting job on indeed.. and didn’t research clossess or his crimes impact.. I still say he’s got electronic trail hidden somewhere...what computer game was he playing... that should tell u something.

BBM, for emphasis.

If we assume the job came before the victim targeted, we paint ourselves into a corner. Equally likely that JTP is stalking, and applying himself to a likely business within the area so as to have the abili under which he'd operate.

And certainly I'd expect forensics on devices to take a while if JTP is used to not leaving tracks

 

[gitana1]

I live in a tourist town and I am anti-social .. I am in hospitality industry and when Im not at work I dont want to be around people.

I've become sort of that way. My job is stressful and I have to deal with people and dingbats all day. So I am much less social than I used to be. But I don't live in a small town!

 

[Rubiconbob]

BBM, for emphasis.

If we assume the job came before the victim targeted, we paint ourselves into a corner. Equally likely that JTP is stalking, and applying himself to a likely business within the area so as to have the abili under which he'd operate.

And certainly I'd expect forensics on devices to take a while if JTP is used to not leaving tracks

Good points...

 

[Lillymac]

Were his shifts at Jenny-O and the cheese factory at night too?

I don't know about Jennie O but I think cheese place was a day job.

 

[oviedo]

Nope, they sure didn’t.

Either way, target or not, she was almost certainly dead.

That’s why her safe recovery was such a shock.

I agree but after following so many cases with horrible outcomes - I did feel a glimmer of hope based on the positive press conferences by the sheriff - and some other things I read - after Mollie Tibbets I didn’t think I could believe in a miracle but I did - and now I’m going to step away because I really don’t want to know anything else until the next hearing and trial- if there is one - thank you all sleuthers for your positivity and thank god and dogs and guardian angels looking over JC plus her awesome resilience /spirit/physicality etc to escape - I truly believe all played a part in this miracle we witnessed On to the next one - ugh

 

[Mom24]

It's incredibly heartbreaking to see how this has ripped their community apart.

However.

They all just really need to get it together and face the facts. There was a demon in their midst, who'd duped them all into accepting deviance as 'just another one of us', and the sooner everyone starts putting together the pieces that 'didn't add up' (i.e. reporting incidents & dates) the better chance of a solid prosecution.

It very much matters sorting out why JTP went out of his way to evade his address, whether break ins or unexplained tampering of property was occurring, Wisconsin children mentioning strange activities coming & going from school.




Given that JTP applied online, we might consider this evidence against claims he wasn't a 'netizen'.

"Officials with Saratoga Liquor Co. in Superior said Thursday that they received an online job application from Patterson around midday on Jan. 10.
According to the application supplied to the Associated Press by the company, Patterson was trying to land a night position at the company’s warehouse. Company officials said they wouldn’t have hired him due to his lack of experience, the AP reported."

Jake Patterson, suspect in Closs case, was discharged early from Marines because of character issues

I just realized he filled out that job application the day she was able to escape. Makes you wonder if she took the chance that day because something felt different and she knew if she didn't get out that day it wasn't going to end well.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree but after following so many cases with horrible outcomes - I did feel a glimmer of hope based on the positive press conferences by the sheriff - and some other things I read - after Mollie Tibbets I didn’t think I could believe in a miracle but I did - and now I’m going to step away because I really don’t want to know anything else until the next hearing and trial- if there is one - thank you all sleuthers for your positivity and thank god and dogs and guardian angels looking over JC plus her awesome resilience /spirit/physicality etc to escape - I truly believe all played a part in this miracle we witnessed On to the next one - ugh

The truth is, the sheriff had absolutely no idea if she was alive or not. He had to remain hopeful, especially in public.

The only reason I had any amount of hope (and it was minuscule), was because this guy went through a hell of a lot of effort to kidnap her.

It wouldn’t make a lot of sense for him to kill her right away.

Then again, that’s logical, and these people aren’t. Especially this evil clown.

 

[Wrenny]

That's not what the article says.

"Several days before quitting the cheese factory, and about a week to 1 1/2 weeks before he went through with the plan, he drove to the Closs home and noticed the lights were on and people were walking around so he decided not to do it then."

The article got their quote wrong. If you look at the criminal complaint, it says "several days AFTER". http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/jayme+closs+complaint.pdf

 

[Lillymac]

I just realized he filled out that job application the day she was able to escape. Makes you wonder if she took the chance that day because something felt different and she knew if she didn't get out that day it wasn't going to end well.

That was my point in my thinking about this being Very scary!!
What was he going to do with her when he was away at night working.
I would not be surprised if he had not threatened her or if she just wondered herself about it. I think, if she knew that was the impetus for her to try to escape that day.

 

[The Night Watchman]

I just realized he filled out that job application the day she was able to escape. Makes you wonder if she took the chance that day because something felt different and she knew if she didn't get out that day it wasn't going to end well.

Wow, that is true. He would not have been able to keep her with a job. And he wouldn't have.

 

[Mom24]

That was my point in my thinking about this being Very scary!!
What was he going to do with her when he was away at night working.
I would not be surprised if he had not threatened her or if she just wondered herself about it. I think, if she knew that was the impetus for her to try to escape that day.

I'm wondering if he said something to her. I also wonder, if he didn't have internet access at the house, how he applied. It says the application came in midday, so it was he filling out the application while she was escaping? It must have been quite close to when he was arrested. What time was it that JN first saw her?

 

[Rubiconbob]

It seemed obvious to me: two people murdered and the only thing taken from the house was the third person. I never thought anything other than Jayme being the target.

That’s what everyone said... including me... what I think throws people off is the shotgun blast through a door .. that has to be non typical..

plus 90 percent chance it’s family or acquaintances...

Im sure the last boy she texted was most relieved person on planet last week...

 

[human]

We had a lot of debate about that on here. I felt the same way, she was the motive.

I can see the flip side though, an attack motivated by vengeance.

If that was the case, Jayme would have been kidnapped, and quickly murdered.

It’s an unusual scenario, but so is what this turned out to be.

There was a lot of talk of cartels until the mods put an end to it.

 

[MassGuy]

There was a lot of talk of cartels until the mods put an end to it.

Ha! It was at that point I left for two months. That was an absurd theory.

 

[human]

It was stated he did this in order to be close to grandfather...?? Correct??

Liquor store makes 0 sense... it’s human interaction all day... unless he wants to talk to people about jayme all day don’t get this...
Maybe steal 2 cases of liquor and quit day 2.
still think he did recon or looked at aftermath of his crimes online...

Look at moms computer/ grandpa computer search history

He knows importance of wiping down dna on bullets... posting job on indeed.. and didn’t research clossess or his crimes impact.. I still say he’s got electronic trail hidden somewhere...what computer game was he playing... that should tell u something.

Liquor warehouse, not store

 

[Lillymac]

I'm wondering if he said something to her. I also wonder, if he didn't have internet access at the house, how he applied. It says the application came in midday, so it was he filling out the application while she was escaping? It must have been quite close to when he was arrested. What time was it that JN first saw her?

I think she was first seen around four. I've also been thinking about internet access other than his phone of course. I don't know if there are Whataburgers or McDonald's in town, but they offer free internet. Just thought

 

[human]

Agree! I think a lowkey presence by Jayme's family circle in media from hereon out would be better all around, just IMO. I myself feel uncomfortable even posting and commenting on this thread anything too detailed or speculative about the whole horrible murders and abduction now that she is back home. In fact, I really think it is unnecessary here to go over and dwell on every little detail and I really hope if more charges are added to this *******'s list, that everyone, from media to the public will respect Jayme's distance and take cues from her. Furthermore, I don't give a damn about the creep's background and what caused him to do such evil things. It sounds too much like defence of him, and on this forum the only concern should be the victim, and it ain't him.
Of course, it is a necessity for criminologists and LE to study JP in a professional way and hopefully learn some important things to apply to future similar cases.

I have grandchildren in the area and I care very much why someone like him exists

 

[kkdj]

Wow, that is true. He would not have been able to keep her with a job. And he wouldn't have.

He could have a job and keep her. Ariel Castro had a job and kept 3. JP had already left her alone for up to 12 hours. Plus he would have only worked a day or 2, for whatever his reasons were, according to his history.

 

[rogue ant]

Maybe JP's dad went weekly to take psychiatric meds to him. He also may have been taking food since dude had no job. He may not have stayed long at all since his son had an anger problem. They probably didn't sit around and talk football! MOO

Are there MSM links regarding his use of psychiatric drugs, and anger issues toward his parents?