Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[heartgoesout]

Did I just read what I think I read...there was a Christmas party??
I'm speechless.

 

[MassGuy]

Does anyone know if Jayme and her family were his only victims? Did he try to kidnap other young girls? Had he killed before? Just wondering how he advanced to murdering 2 innocent adults and kidnapping .

We have no evidence of any other crimes, attempted or otherwise.

It’s a hell of a way to announce your presence to law enforcement, but that’s exactly what I think happened.

This crime was incredibly reckless, and despite the level of violence, just wreaks of a first time killer.

Jayme was the goal, and if he was patient, he could have pulled this off a more efficient and bloodless way.

He was seemingly incapable of that.

 

[MassGuy]

Did I just read what I think I read...there was a Christmas party??
I'm speechless.

I’m not sure that “Christmas party” is an apt description, despite the media’s characterization.

It was apparently his father, sister, and their significant others. This wasn’t exactly a “Clark Griswold” Christmas party.

JP probably would have tried to serve microwaved Ramen Noodles, so they probably just had takeout or something, if they ate at all.

 

[heartgoesout]

I’m not sure that “Christmas party” is an apt description, despite the media’s characterization.

It was apparently his father, sister, and their significant others. This wasn’t exactly a “Clark Griswold” Christmas party.

JP probably would have tried to serve microwaved Ramen Noodles, so they probably just had takeout or something, if they ate at all.

Agreed it wasn't a party...still. I have so many questions, albeit unpopular.

 

[JudgeJoe]

I think the laws about the ability to profit off your own crime are determined by the states. MOO

Wisconsin does have a version of a Son of Sam law. JP can sell his story, but profits would benefit a victim identified by a civil suit, I believe.
‘Son of Sam’ statutes: federal and state summary | Freedom Forum Institute

 

[MassGuy]

Agreed it wasn't a party...still. I have so many questions, albeit unpopular.

We all do, especially in regards to what you are alluding too.

There’s a lot of questions that need to be answered, especially surrounding the nature of her captivity, and how certain people were unaware as to what was going on.

I absolutely believe that no one knew what was going on, but how the hell was that possible?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Whether the Patterson "retreat" has the main rooms upstairs or downstairs.



I could be wrong, I'm not certain. If you look at the photo of the house from the side at Jake Patterson charged with kidnapping, murder in Jayme Closs...
it looks like in the rear is a large main room with the ceiling in the state of the front room pictures we saw. And then in the front appears to be kitchen cabinets.
Ok wait.... yup I've got it matched up now. This page has some interior pictures. Photos: Inside the house where Jayme Closs was held
Look at the next to the bottom picture, the one with the rocking chair, kitchen sink, and the tv. Above the tv, in the window see the headphones hanging there? Now go back to the side view of the exterior of the house. In the upper front window you can see the headphones. So the first interior we saw, with the rocking chair, kitchen etc, the view we first saw, was the 2nd floor, looking from the back to the front of the house.
More detail I just noticed. Near those headphones there's a rabbit ears. That's how he got TV. He should be close enough to pick up broadcast tv from Duluth with rabbit ears. Especially if their broadcast antenna are up on the hill and why wouldn't they be. Duluth, MN - TV Channels & Antenna Map
The picture above that, with the heap of lumber and pictures, would be the 2nd floor looking across the back of the house, from the "right" to the "left" if your perspective is from outside the front of the house. The deck would be behind us, in this photo, so this may have been taken looking in the deck door.
The room with the stuffed pig would be in the basement, judging by the duct work and pipes. This is not the room where he had her stay under the bed because the mattress is on the floor.
The bottom picture appears to be some kind of a family room or rec room, but it's definitely in the basement, because we can see the main beam. The beam would be running lengthwise in the house, below and parallel to the ridge. So we don't have the location of this room but we have at least the orientation.

Ok, so did you determine if it’s one or two stories plus basement? Which is it?

 

[MassGuy]

Wisconsin does have a version of a Son of Sam law. JP can sell his story, but profits would benefit a victim identified by a civil suit, I believe.
‘Son of Sam’ statutes: federal and state summary | Freedom Forum Institute

It wouldn’t sell anyways. No one would want to read a book about that slime ball.

“Evil Loser: The JP Story.”

No thanks, “Survival: The Jayme Closs Story” sounds a hell of a lot better.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Strange article there Caylee.

She went to school with them and she thought his brother was cute? That’s what she offered. SMH

There is no way in hell I would put myself out there like that and especially own up to her thoughts on the brother. Now that's journalism at it's best. She did say her grandpa was close by the devils lair *JTP's crib* though.

 

[ab01]

I’m not sure that “Christmas party” is an apt description, despite the media’s characterization.

It was apparently his father, sister, and their significant others. This wasn’t exactly a “Clark Griswold” Christmas party.

JP probably would have tried to serve microwaved Ramen Noodles, so they probably just had takeout or something, if they ate at all.

+1 for the Clark W Griswold reference.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I’m not sure that “Christmas party” is an apt description, despite the media’s characterization.

It was apparently his father, sister, and their significant others. This wasn’t exactly a “Clark Griswold” Christmas party.

JP probably would have tried to serve microwaved Ramen Noodles, so they probably just had takeout or something, if they ate at all.

Thanks massguy .... I pictured jake in a dickie eating ramen telling marine war
Stories... can’t get out if my head...

Top 10 Christmas movie...classic

 

[cherrymeg]

I’m with you, verify everything, he has to be doing something... playing video games, movie, etc...?

It’s almost like he planned this out two years... or longer ...how do not show up on any address reports ?? What address is his license ??
Why voter ID at moms house.??

Car was his sisters ?? Did he have current license and insurance??

It’s almost like he read books on ex military or serial killers... tried to eliminate himself...
Then commit crimes..

Still don’t buy randomn... you think if jayme lives with family of 8 and 3 German Sheppard’s he still says whatever... don’t buy it... he took 6 Bullets.. if the off chance there’s 7 people in that house he’s screwed... ? He’s killing people with hope of 6 bullets being enough ??

It reminded me of an interview Ted Bundy did before his execution. He mentions what killers and rapists would avoid confessing to, like young victims. I wonder if Patterson was looking for a girl to kidnap. He might have driven around her neighborhood, hung out by schools. I could be wrong but I don't believe you just wake up one day, see some girl getting off a bus and take her. He had to have been thinking about it. He went to her house about 2 other times and for one reason or another he changed his mind before that night. He is a predator.

 

[MassGuy]

It reminded me of an interview Ted Bundy did before his execution. He mentions what killers and rapists would avoid confessing to, like young victims. I wonder if Patterson was looking for a girl to kidnap. He might have driven around her neighborhood, hung out by schools. I could be wrong but I don't believe you just wake up one day, see some girl getting off a bus and take her. He had to have been thinking about it. He went to her house about 2 other times and for one reason or another he changed his mind before that night. He is a predator.

Yup. This would have all began as a fantasy, one that probably evolved over time.

He eventually decided to make it a reality.

 

[cherrymeg]

Yup. This would have all began as a fantasy, one that probably evolved over time.

He eventually decided to make it a reality.

I think he might think sounds less creepy if he makes it seem like, "I saw this girl get off a bus and had to kidnap her". It down plays his fantasy life and that he might have put himself around young girls. He was preparing to turn his fantasies into a reality.

 

[chili367]

(Sorry, working with a bad keyboard -- pardon my choppy comments. Catching up on 3 threads takes forever!)

The source for the RO article citing Badadmins was likely Badadmins on self-promotion.

Regarding JP, I think immature perp better discussion that IQ or planning. Planning vs doing -- only 1 way to get experience. I strongly believe this was his first serious crime.

For instance, after crime, it would have been much smarter to go west on HWY 8. Also, maybe 30-60 minutes earlier or later might have slowed LE resp as BCSO deputies were on shift change (thus at the station)and some deputies were nearby in dispatch when the 911 hangup came in.

Hindsight 20/20 for crime and people not seeing JP was a problem before or after IMHO.

Strongly agree that without the arrest JP would have gone onto to more sophisticated crimes.

The "Taurus" - upon review, going on what they did vs what was said
- car was likely noted afterwards, but too late to act on that night
- after that, FBI probably advised not to disclose to public because...
- after scene processed, they knew abduction and disclosure would have
only served to lessen survival if alive (maybe they would have released
this during the scheduled PC that never happened?)

Marine failure a trigger toward worse behavior -- very likely IMHO.

Why did he pick JC? I think kidnapping had been a fantasy for a long time.

I think JC because of her hair color likely combined with some sort of interaction/fascination/conflict with his sister.

Regarding the Christmas travel, I'd guess he got money from his grandparents.
If you look at the cabin pictures closely, one is from the grandparents to his brother offering support to him in Colorado (why that card was in the cabin and why it was deemed picture worthy I do not know...) I'd imagine they were trying to help JP the best way they thought they could.

As far as the Christmas "party" at the cabin, I'd say it's as likely they stopped by to pick him up to go to the grandparent's as anything else. I don't see JP hosting any kind of event.

 

[justaparent]

I don't have the link handy but the Criminal Complaint is the majority of the information we have. It is not pleasant.

Thank you. I am finally able to start reading more again in the last few days after falling off of a ladder, and almost wish I had not read the complaint. Hideous, and I hope no more evidence is needed from those months of captivity.

It’s impossible to know if he is the type to plead guilty or someone who wants to drag this through the public and press. I suspect that JP feels it will bring notoriety some by dragging it out but I sure hope I am wrong.

 

[Wrenny]

Hey, Dude... I know where the stairs are in the Patterson home.
This is the downstairs den, see the shamrocks in the window on the right, that's the downstairs front left (as you face the house) window.
See the stairs?

 

[Wrenny]

What do you think that is, that you can see through the doorway, in the blue room on the left? A desk and chair? Bathroom counter and wall mirror? Or... ?

 

[enelram]

How would a young man come up with the idea of kidnapping
a young girl and killing those who would get in his way?

Is there a movie or video game or site that would have planted this idea in his head?

Is this discussed on 'Incel' sites?

I just can't fathom where or how this idea develops.

 

[Forpsy]

BBM

It doesn't surprise me that she turned down food and drink. I am sure her adrenaline was really kicking in. When you get an adrenaline rush (which I know I'd certainly get if I'd just escaped from my kidnapper's lair), the surge overrides a lot of other things in the body. Your brain makes you become more focused on that particular task. My guess is that she didn't start feeling hungry or thirsty until once she was safely in the hospital, her family on the way, and the news that JP had been arrested.

I think she needed to train her body to be somewhat immune to it's needs; needs like water, food and elimination? jmo