Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MassGuy]

Personally, I am not surprised that he did not act impulsively. I think he wanted to play the mastermind and pull off the perfect crime. He had plenty of time to plan.

I think he was somewhat motivated by becoming famous through his crime...and, unfortunately, he has succeeded there. He was an otherwise nondescript person that made no mark on anyone's memory...but this crime and notoriety has made him the focus of attention. Exactly what he wanted.

I’m sure he enjoyed the attention then, and is enjoying it now.

Unfortunately for him, years from now, we will remember one name - Jayme.

He’ll be remembered as a nameless, faceless creep.

Just as he should be.

 

[kkdj]

The way the ceiling looks unfinished in the pics (no one got around to correcting the problem) and the older household decorations and furniture... the old cars and the relic snow mobile, all of it are like time stopped. Their kid didn’t. I do wonder if checking in felt obligatory to dad. That’s only my opinion.

I would like to know if the Christmas decorations were put out for Christmas 2018, or had been there for a long time. It just doesn’t seem like something JP would do, but maybe he did.

I had wondered the same thing. Maybe his dad put them out?

 

[JudgeJoe]

Hi gang. Stepped back a bit to reflect & here’s what keeps popping into my head...

I think JP first decided to murder & abduct someone/anyone, then identified his victim, and not the other way around. From CC page 7, “the defendant stated,
when he saw J.L.C., he knew that was the girl he was going to take.” He had already decided to take a girl/ commit a crime of this magnitude, but he hadn’t yet selected who that girl would be. When he saw Jayme, the house/ property, ingress/ egress, people, it somehow fit into his plan. Not the other way around.

I think this chicken-or-egg detail is important to understanding his motive. I wonder what he saw at the bus stop that day. Did Jayme turn to smile & wave at her mom or dad? Did he see signs of a happy, loving family & that triggered the rage/ resentment/ reminder of what he thinks he’s missing? Was this an act of revenge at society in general? Or an act of revenge against his own broken family? Or was Jayme alone that day lost in thought? Did he notice her shy, quiet nature & foolishly see himself in her in some demented way?

On the surface, Jayme was his target. But that level of rage directed at 3 people he never knew... ain’t it. The target was bigger. He’s absolutely enraged about someone, something, circumstances? Is this entitlement at its extreme worst? IDK. MOOO.

 

[Jabarn]

I wonder what JP would do if his dad had discovered Jayme there.
Would he have kept his dad at the house, never allowing him to report it?
Would he have killed him?

He would have killed his dad or himself, I think.

 

[MassGuy]

He would have killed his dad or himself, I think.

It’s tough to say. Just because he massacred an innocent family, doesn’t necessarily mean that he would turn the gun on his father.

There’s endless possibilities as to how he could have responded. Personally, I could make an argument for any of them.

It’s unknowable.

 

[Bravo]

IMO had his Father discovered Jayme I think he would have killed him.

 

[kkdj]

IMO had his Father discovered Jayme I think he would He have killed him.

That would be discovered and who did it. His whole gig would be up.
But I too think it's a real possibility. I wonder if he had a plan in his mind if that did happen.

 

[MassGuy]

That would be discovered and who did it. His whole gig would be up.
But I too think it's a real possibility. I wonder if he had a plan in his mind if that did happen.

I genuinely don’t believe he thought that far ahead. I’m glad we’ll never find out what he would have done.

 

[Seenit]

I’m sure he enjoyed the attention then, and is enjoying it now.

Unfortunately for him, years from now, we will remember one name - Jayme.

He’ll be remembered as a nameless, faceless creep.

Just as he should be.

True. For those of us that focus on the victim, but for the grossly misguided people who focus on the criminal and what the did "right", and whatever they did "wrong"... he will be a legend. If not only in his own mind.

 

[Seenit]

Im

Hi gang. Stepped back a bit to reflect & here’s what keeps popping into my head...

I think JP first decided to murder & abduct someone/anyone, then identified his victim, and not the other way around. From CC page 7, “the defendant stated,
when he saw J.L.C., he knew that was the girl he was going to take.” He had already decided to take a girl/ commit a crime of this magnitude, but he hadn’t yet selected who that girl would be. When he saw Jayme, the house/ property, ingress/ egress, people, it somehow fit into his plan. Not the other way around.

I think this chicken-or-egg detail is important to understanding his motive. I wonder what he saw at the bus stop that day. Did Jayme turn to smile & wave at her mom or dad? Did he see signs of a happy, loving family & that triggered the rage/ resentment/ reminder of what he thinks he’s missing? Was this an act of revenge at society in general? Or an act of revenge against his own broken family? Or was Jayme alone that day lost in thought? Did he notice her shy, quiet nature & foolishly see himself in her in some demented way?

On the surface, Jayme was his target. But that level of rage directed at 3 people he never knew... ain’t it. The target was bigger. He’s absolutely enraged about someone, something, circumstances? Is this entitlement at its extreme worst? IDK. MOOO.

MOO. I fully agree. He had the plan all figured out, he was trolling for who would be his victim.
I am certainly no expert, but my thought is he saw a passive, shy person in Jayme, easy to control. Thank God, he was wrong!

*edited by me as I battle with auto correct.

 

[MassGuy]

True. For those of us that focus on the victim, but for the grossly misguided people who focus on the criminal and what the did "right", and whatever they did "wrong"... he will be a legend. If not only in his own mind.

I do think it will be “only in his own mind.”

We remember serial killers.

We remember family annihilators.

We remember mass murderers.

But Jayme is the face of this particular story. People will remember her, what happened to her parents, and the fact that she basically returned from the dead.

I never want a killer to be remembered, but I really don’t think this guy will.

He ain’t special.

 

[mtnlites]

It’s tough to say. Just because he massacred an innocent family, doesn’t necessarily mean that he would turn the gun on his father.

There’s endless possibilities as to how he could have responded. Personally, I could make an argument for any of them.

It’s unknowable.

Same with LE. He claims that had anyone stopped him that night, he would have shot them too, but that's hard to say. Perhaps he would have, or perhaps he'd have given in just like he did when LE arrested him. It's easy enough to have bravado when you're talking hypothetical. Killing people by shooting them through a door or when they're defenseless in a bathtub is one ting, but how would he have reacted if the other person also had a weapon and his life was threatened?

 

[Jabarn]

IMO had his Father discovered Jayme I think he would have killed him.

Another thought, since JP hid the gun in one of the cars (I think he was hiding the shotgun from his dad, but could be off point on that).

If his dad did discover he was hiding a girl under the bed, would JP have time to pull the shells from the drawer, run outside to the car, get the gun, load it, and then shoot his dad?

Ok, I am off in lala land, for sure.

I do think JP did take out the three remaining shells and hide the gun for a reason, and kept the shells in a place he could readily access them though. I think he thought he would have time to connect the gun and shells in his thinking if an event happened where he was discovered. Whatever that thinking was, Jayme got out.

 

[MassGuy]

Same with LE. He claims that had anyone stopped him that night, he would have shot them too, but that's hard to say. Perhaps he would have, or perhaps he'd have given in just like he did when LE arrested him. It's easy enough to have bravado when you're talking hypothetical. Killing people by shooting them through a door or when they're defenseless in a bathtub is one ting, but how would he have reacted if the other person also had a weapon and his life was threatened?

Exactly. And even if he didn’t have a gun when he was finally pulled over and apprehended, he still could have led them on a high speed chase.

Instead, he surrendered peacefully. Because he is a coward.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Personally, I am not surprised that he did not act impulsively. I think he wanted to play the mastermind and pull off the perfect crime. He had plenty of time to plan.

I think he was somewhat motivated by becoming famous through his crime...and, unfortunately, he has succeeded there. He was an otherwise nondescript person that made no mark on anyone's memory...but this crime and notoriety has made him the focus of attention. Exactly what he wanted.

I agree, I'm not surprised he took the time to plan "the perfect crime" as per his statement in the CC. Notice, he didn't say anything about being remorseful, offer any explanation that we know of as to why he did this other than he saw Jayme and knew he was going to take her.

It was important to him to come in military style, big, bad boogey man, kill his targets James & Denise, and take off with his captive. It was a scenario he's probably fantasized over many times and I wonder if he didn't have this abduction style planned out and then ran across Jayme as his 'victim'. I do think her physical traits played into this somehow.

JP went to the house on 2 other occasions, he was a COWARD then, afraid because others were there. He struck the Closs family at their most vulnerable time, in the most shock affecting blitz style because it was always his plan and the only way he could pull it off. He's weak at life and probably always has been. IMO

I have no sympathy for the defendant. I sleep better knowing he's in a cage and will spend the rest of his miserable days there.

All JMO

 

[mtnlites]

IMO he spared Molly as Molly was no threat. He needed to get in and out as quickly as possible. Had Molly persistently nipped at his ankles or was a large dog I have no doubt he would have shot any dog in his way.

I really do think it was as simple as that: he killed those who stood in his way in that house. Molly didn't.

 

[Ragnarok]

I do think it will be “only in his own mind.”

We remember serial killers.

We remember family annihilators.

We remember mass murderers.

But Jayme is the face of this particular story. People will remember her, what happened to her parents, and the fact that she basically returned from the dead.

I never want a killer to be remembered, but I really don’t think this guy will.

He ain’t special.

Yes. I watched Dr Oz today for the Closs crime segment. Elizabeth Smart was interviewed and I realized that I couldn't remember the perps names that held ES. ES seems to be doing well and I hope JC does well also in the years to come.

 

[Jabarn]

Exactly. And even if he didn’t have a gun when he was finally pulled over and apprehended, he still could have led them on a high speed chase.

Instead, he surrendered peacefully. Because he is a coward.

I think he may be a coward for sure. If he had that shotgun in his car after Jayme escaped, it might have gone down differently. But I think he got too comfortable.

That complaint, though. How it all really went down at the Closs home was so hard to fathom. Then in the end, he went down without a bang, but a whimper.

 

[MemPat]

I wonder what JP would do if his dad had discovered Jayme there.
Would he have kept his dad at the house, never allowing him to report it?
Would he have killed him?

I suspect he might have killed his father had he found Jayme. Remember that there were other guns in the house. He made the choice of a shotgun perhaps over an available handgun? I bet he kept one close to him in case anyone (like his father) raised a suspicion. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I do think it will be “only in his own mind.”

We remember serial killers.

We remember family annihilators.

We remember mass murderers.

But Jayme is the face of this particular story. People will remember her, what happened to her parents, and the fact that she basically returned from the dead.

I never want a killer to be remembered, but I really don’t think this guy will.

He ain’t special.

Very well stated MassGuy, totally agree.