Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Gracie55]

That’s absolutely true, it is important to understand what makes these people the way they are.

Trying to understand them, doesn’t mean that we condone their actions.

Regardless of this though, he made the decision to kill. He wasn’t insane, he knew what he was doing.

That’s why I feel nothing but hate towards him.

As for motive, I’m sticking with what I believed this to be when it first happened. A sexually motivated abduction.

I hope he just wanted a “companion,” but that’s doubtful.

If we understand what shaped him then other families might recognize their mistakes in handling a family member like James before a tragedy.

 

[mtnlites]

I do think it will be “only in his own mind.”

We remember serial killers.

We remember family annihilators.

We remember mass murderers.

But Jayme is the face of this particular story. People will remember her, what happened to her parents, and the fact that she basically returned from the dead.

I never want a killer to be remembered, but I really don’t think this guy will.

He ain’t special.

Honestly, since we usually refer to him by his initials, I keep having to stop to remember what his actual name is. Same with Mollie Tibbets' murderer. That's a good sign.

 

[Rubiconbob]

It’s tough to say. Just because he massacred an innocent family, doesn’t necessarily mean that he would turn the gun on his father.

There’s endless possibilities as to how he could have responded. Personally, I could make an argument for any of them.

It’s unknowable.

Never in a million years would he kill his dad... dads name is on house... he’s financially dependent entirely on him...

Most important thing to him is apparently that house... don’t think he’d jeopardize it...

I do think it will be “only in his own mind.”

We remember serial killers.

We remember family annihilators.

We remember mass murderers.

But Jayme is the face of this particular story. People will remember her, what happened to her parents, and the fact that she basically returned from the dead.

I never want a killer to be remembered, but I really don’t think this guy will.

He ain’t special.

He won’t, people dont remember the petit killers, just there couple ...

He thrived after hell....garbage forgotten.

Jayme doesn’t have to cure cancer, if she goes to comm college, gets married couple kids, People will be really happy and he’ll be in jail telling bubba how smart he was for not getting caught, as bubba laughs at the irony of a man in for life professes his amazing intellect...

 

[MemPat]

The way the ceiling looks unfinished in the pics (no one got around to correcting the problem) and the older household decorations and furniture... the old cars and the relic snow mobile, all of it are like time stopped. Their kid didn’t. I do wonder if checking in felt obligatory to dad. That’s only my opinion.

I would like to know if the Christmas decorations were put out for Christmas 2018, or had been there for a long time. It just doesn’t seem like something JP would do, but maybe he did.

Looks to me like the family used the house as a mini-warehouse to keep from having to throw anything away. I doubt anyone was working on ceilings and such as they would have had to clear away the junk to have room for a ladder.

 

[MemPat]

Honestly, since we usually refer to him by his initials, I keep having to stop to remember what his actual name is. Same with Mollie Tibbets' murderer. That's a good sign.

I bet the inmates at the state prison will remember his name! Anyone who's had a young sister or daughter will be aware of his deeds and pretty angry. He will have to be in isolation or maybe even sent to another state due to notoriety which would limit family visits. I don't think it's going to be a pretty life.

 

[Andreee]

Personally, I am not surprised that he did not act impulsively. I think he wanted to play the mastermind and pull off the perfect crime. He had plenty of time to plan.

I think he was somewhat motivated by becoming famous through his crime...and, unfortunately, he has succeeded there. He was an otherwise nondescript person that made no mark on anyone's memory...but this crime and notoriety has made him the focus of attention. Exactly what he wanted.

Yes, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that he seems to be the focus of attention on this thread.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

If we understand what shaped him then other families might recognize their mistakes in handling a family member like James before a tragedy.

You do mean Jake, not James I would think.

 

[girlhasnoname]

If we understand what shaped him then other families might recognize their mistakes in handling a family member like James before a tragedy.

We can always be more cognizant and try to be aware of warning signs don't get me wrong, but sometimes a person can just be bad. He's 21 year old man, I'm not sure how differently his family could have handled this?

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that he seems to be the focus of attention on this thread.

How can he not be?

This is his crime. His actions are being scrutinized, as they should be.

 

[mtnlites]

Yes, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that he seems to be the focus of attention on this thread.

What else could we be discussing? This being a true crime thread, we still have unanswered questions about the crime and those questions all surround JP. It wouldn't make sense to sleuth Jayme, since she's the victim, or to speculate on certain things (since she's underage).

 

[Seenit]

Here is a study (from 2007, but likely still relevant) about discharge during Basic Training of Marines. Talks about age, level of fitness beforehand, ethnicity, etc. I'm not sure we can guess that it was mental issues. It must have been disappointing for him, whatever it was.
The pdf file is attached, but it came from this link: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a496815.pdf

USMC boot camp is a rigorous process. Most people train and condition for it months before hand. I think his idea that he would "become one of the Elite" was another part of his inflated ego.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

At the same time, I find it less than honorable that he tried to sit on the prosecution side of the courtroom (although maybe he lacked the knowledge that the two 'sides' usually take opposite sides of the courtroom?).

Snipped by me.

Did this actually happen? As far as I know, he sat on the defendant side. The conversation with the Sheriff was simply Sheriff asking him if they were expecting other family members. He said no, so they used the space for press, I believe.

 

[MemPat]

Never in a million years would he kill his dad... dads name is on house... he’s financially dependent entirely on him...

Most important thing to him is apparently that house... don’t think he’d jeopardize it...


He won’t, people dont remember the petit killers, just there couple ...

He thrived after hell....garbage forgotten.

Jayme doesn’t have to cure cancer, if she goes to comm college, gets married couple kids, People will be really happy and he’ll be in jail telling bubba how smart he was for not getting caught, as bubba laughs at the irony of a man in for life professes his amazing intellect...

I remember Komisarjevsky....maybe not the correct spelling but I remember how despicable he was.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Yes, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that he seems to be the focus of attention on this thread.

Each poster has their own thought process, yet I don't see anyone on here focusing on the perp in a good way, unless you are thinking that some posters don't have the right to want to look inside the mind of someone like Jake. JMO

 

[ab01]

Yes, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that he seems to be the focus of attention on this thread.

The person that commits a crime is generally the main focus of a true crime community. That’s a pretty large part of what we do here.....

 

[gngr~snap]

Yeah. This makes absolutely no sense to me.

That’s his father’s house. You’d think that he’d take an interest in it.

If he was snooping around to the point that JP speculated that his father could have discovered the shotgun in the trunk of a car, then you’d think he was atleast taking a cursory look around the house itself.

Weird.

Was it a family home?
It seems more like these were 2nd homes for most people.
Was this a hunting community?
Like hunting cabins during the hunting season?
IMO - this is what I'd expect a hunting cabin to look like.
Bare bones, old furniture brought by friends or picked up at yard sales.
It definitely beats a tent or a 5th wheel.
Is it odd that a family would occupy a home in this area and bring their kids up there sending them to school?
I don't see any lake or skiing nearby.
What was this community known for.
Why would someone want a second home here?
Or for that matter choose to live in this area full time?

I'm so confused! Where did this perp actually live after high school?
There alone?
Did he couch surf?
Did he know dad was going to pay the mortgage off and give the home to him prior to kidnapping Jayme and killing her parents?
Dad came by and checked on him here and there.
What was that about?
So many questions and no answers!
Moo

 

[ab01]

Snipped by me.

Did this actually happen? As far as I know, he sat on the defendant side. The conversation with the Sheriff was simply Sheriff asking him if they were expecting other family members. He said no, so they used the space for press, I believe.

Ya I think this was mere speculation by a media member on social media and some took it as gospel. Personally I think what you have stated is far more likely imo

 

[gngr~snap]

Same with LE. He claims that had anyone stopped him that night, he would have shot them too, but that's hard to say. Perhaps he would have, or perhaps he'd have given in just like he did when LE arrested him. It's easy enough to have bravado when you're talking hypothetical. Killing people by shooting them through a door or when they're defenseless in a bathtub is one ting, but how would he have reacted if the other person also had a weapon and his life was threatened?

With the 4 shot gun shells he had left?
Really? He would have been killed the minute he aimed that shot gun at any Law Enforcement Officer
He was on a suicide mission or, he was fantastical fantasy thinking!
(Like a 5 year old)

My bad. It's "MAGICAL THINKING" according to psychologists.
Moo

 

[mtnlites]

With the 4 shot gun shells he had left?
Really? He would have been killed the minute he aimed that shot gun at any Law Enforcement Officer
He was on a suicide mission or, he was fantastical fantasy thinking!
(Like a 5 year old)
Moo

Yeah, that's why I said "claims." I think most of that was bravado.

 

[gngr~snap]

*** I tried to remember his name in my last post.
Jacob/Jake is all I can remember. I won't type it out ever again.
Moo