Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Deleted member 158085]

It is what happened, as far as MSM reported:

His father, Patrick Patterson, spoke to CNN's Jean Casarez at the Barron County Justice Center on Tuesday. He said he was there to pass along a note to the Closs family.

"All I care about right now is Jayme's family. I want to get them a note," he said, declining to provide more details on the letter and apologizing for not being able to say more.
"I'm sorry, I can't talk," he said several times, shaking with emotion before a deputy escorted him from the public area.

Patrick Patterson was in the courtroom for his son's arraignment Monday. He was initially seated on the prosecution side, but a deputy asked him to leave and sit on the defense side.

When a judge read the charges and Jake Patterson appeared via video conference, his father sobbed and buried his head into the shoulder of a relative seated next to him. On the prosecution's side, Jayme's family remained calm with arms around each other.

Father of kidnap suspect has a letter for Jayme Closs' family - CNN

I believe this story is wrong. Quill, I, and others watched the thing as it happened. A reporter did, indeed, tweet something out that I think morphed into this story. Later, though, video was posted where the conversation was audible. So unless there’s a second video out there showing this, I d believe this story is wrong.

 

[Harmony 2]

DO NOT go off on the tangent of tattoos.... There was no link to the pdf to source it so it was removed. Please DO NOT discuss it. There is no MSM link or court document stating that JP had tattoos so please drop the subject and move on.

Please contact me with any questions about the pdf.
Thanks.

 

[MassGuy]

If we understand what shaped him then other families might recognize their mistakes in handling a family member like James before a tragedy.

Exactly. My point is that I have no sympathy for him, not that we shouldn’t seek to understand him.

For me, that’s the most fascinating part of crimes like this, and killers like him.

What was he thinking?

How did he get this way?

What makes this creepy weirdo tick?

 

[Seattle1]

It is what happened, as far as MSM reported:

His father, Patrick Patterson, spoke to CNN's Jean Casarez at the Barron County Justice Center on Tuesday. He said he was there to pass along a note to the Closs family.

"All I care about right now is Jayme's family. I want to get them a note," he said, declining to provide more details on the letter and apologizing for not being able to say more.
"I'm sorry, I can't talk," he said several times, shaking with emotion before a deputy escorted him from the public area.

Patrick Patterson was in the courtroom for his son's arraignment Monday. He was initially seated on the prosecution side, but a deputy asked him to leave and sit on the defense side.

When a judge read the charges and Jake Patterson appeared via video conference, his father sobbed and buried his head into the shoulder of a relative seated next to him. On the prosecution's side, Jayme's family remained calm with arms around each other.

Father of kidnap suspect has a letter for Jayme Closs' family - CNN

'You don't have anyone else coming on your side do you?' Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald asked as he tried to accommodate media, public and court officers in the rapidly filling benches. Only the bench reserved for Patterson's family remained relatively vacant.

'No we don't sir,' Patterson Sr responded.

As the court waited and 3.30pm approached Patterson's father put a protective hand on his son Erik's knee. He gave it a squeeze and his hand remained there a while.

Honorable James C Babler took his chair promptly but after a few tense minutes wait he was forced to ask Sheriff Fitzgerald, 'Can you have the jail try calling? My system's not popping up.'

Speaking to the court he added, 'I can attest it was working at one o'clock when we did four appearances,' the judge told the court as the dial tone rang out without answer or image.

As technical difficulties postponed the hearing for which Jayme's family and law enforcement have waited so very long the judge appeared to decide that if a job was worth doing it was worth doing himself.
[IBM]
Jayme Closs kidnapping: Father of man charged with kidnap and murder weeps | Daily Mail Online

There was another account in a local paper posted in earlier thread (now paywalled), describing the total number seats in the courtroom, and hoards that arrived early, including members of media. Also described that Media overflow was told they'd could be seated on defendant's side after courtroom technical difficulties resolved. Don't recall any media reporting PP and EP seated incorrectly except for CNN above. I really don't think it was an issue for anybody except MSM. MOO

 

[MemPat]

IMO he was proud to claim he did it. He was busted and it was important to him to tell LE just how smart he is and blindsided LE. How he committed the crime and got away with it. Until Jayme escaped that is.

I've been thinking that JP's laziness caught up with him. Maybe he got tired of keeping Jayme fed, trips to the bathroom, barricading her under the bed, worrying that she might escape when he left so he was glad to finally be caught. Maybe she cried and disturbed him while he read. And maybe, just maybe she was wearing him down with talk about going home to her aunt. The "I did it" may have been relief. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I've been thinking that JP's laziness caught up with him. Maybe he got tired of keeping Jayme fed, trips to the bathroom, barricading her under the bed, worrying that she might escape when he left so he was glad to finally be caught. Maybe she cried and disturbed him while he read. And maybe, just maybe she was wearing him down with talk about going home to her aunt. The "I did it" may have been relief. MOO

I think it was more about complacency than laziness.

Like many criminals who perpetrate these types of crimes, the fear fades, and gives way to recklessness.

Jayme took full advantage.

 

[moonlessnight]

agree. and the fact that he was searching his name with JC's name, and searching suspects, makes me wonder if he wanted to get caught. for whatever reason. he gave in immediately.

I think the dude felt powerful when he was attacking 3 defenseless people blitz-style, or when he was terrorizing a child,but when faced with actual law enforcement (ie., someone else with a weapon), he folded. He's not quite the badass he thought he was, or wanted to be. It also sounds like he wanted to talk, he wanted to tell his story to someone. He seems rather proud of it. Perhaps he enjoyed the idea of the attention he'd receive.

 

[photographer4]

Can someone from the legal profession weigh in on what possible, if any, civil actions Jayme has against the owner of the property she was held at. TIA

How would the property owner possibly be liable in this? His son is a grown man. He shouldn’t be held responsible for his son’s actions unless he was aware she was there and failed to help her. Exactly what would you have had the owner do to secure the property when he wasn’t aware there was a chance she could be hidden, in the home, under the bed??

 

[Rhenish]

I see this differently.

He lived the way he did, because he was a sick sociopath. His living situation and job history, were a direct reflection of himself.

I have no sympathy for him.

That went out the door when he made the conscious choice to murder two people, and kidnap an innocent child.

I hope his days are long, and his nights longer. I hope the decades pass slow.

I hope the rest of his life is spent in misery.

I share your sentiments. No sympathy for him on my end and I usually, at least some times, muster some compassion or sympathy for a lot of these "like minded" psychopaths but I do not for this guy. Some people in this world are just simply cold, cruel and calculating despite any upbringing, good bad or otherwise...whatever. There are heartless, mean and cruel murderous people in this world that enjoy and embrace being so....Jake Patterson is one of them in my minds eye.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Jayme took full advantage.[/QUOTE]

How would the property owner possibly be liable in this? His son is a grown man. He shouldn’t be held responsible for his son’s actions unless he was aware she was there and failed to help her. Exactly what would you have had the owner do to secure the property when he wasn’t aware there was a chance she could be hidden, in the home, under the bed??

I’ve seen friends sue over broken leg jumping in pool... it’s not without a possibility... but don’t think jaymes family wants more court time than needed.

It also depends on fathers set up ...
what was his job... nobody on planet earth knows ... what did he know about set up at house .. did he make any effort to maintain property.... I doubt anyone sues unless Patrick Patterson is simply really rich with inheritance in bank...than you could get a quick sue and settle...I don’t know who’d want that house now... value got to be halved.

Premises Liability Overview :: Justia

 

[kkdj]

Exactly. My point is that I have no sympathy for him, not that we shouldn’t seek to understand him.

For me, that’s the most fascinating part of crimes like this, and killers like him.

What was he thinking?

How did he get this way?

What makes this creepy weirdo tick?

I don't think this has to do with his upbringing but more his wiring. I'll bet there is mental illness somewhere in the family.
And I will also say alcoholism. But probably due to mental illness. imo.

 

[Confusion]

Well, I haven't been told I'm nuts for a few days, so I'm going to share my latest thought and risk ending my streak... I keep wondering if JP left her alone hoping she would escape because he didn't know what else to do with her. He seems out of it enough to feel like he'd never get credit for all of his brilliant planning and work if he just killed her too. For him to leave her alone, but still be right in the area when LE arrived, and to give up and confess so quickly, it almost seemed like he had planned to have it happen that way. He may believe he'll be able to fake insanity to be found not guilty and then make a miraculous recovery (like they sometimes do in movies, books and television shows.) There are just so many things about him that don't make sense that I wouldn't put anything past him. MOO

ETA: Maybe not as far fetched as I thought. I see a couple other people have mentioned some of this since I started typing this. It really sucks being a lousy typist!

 

[Wrenny]

I don't know how it works anymore but there also could be an early bus and a late bus. And maybe elementary versus middle/high school varies.

I found the school schedule. 8 - 3:20. The bus schedule could be very different. We don't know if her stop was at the beginning or end of the route.

 

[BradB]

JP is insane. Not only did he say he did it as soon as a cop stopped him but he told the victim his real name as well knowing he murdered her parents. Dude is off his rocker.

 

[MassGuy]

JP is insane. Not only did he say he did it as soon as a cop stopped him but he told the victim his real name as well knowing he murdered her parents. Dude is off his rocker.

Fully confessing immediately, is absolutely not unheard of.

Once these guys are caught, they frequently like to talk. They had him dead to rights, and now it was about getting credit for his “achievement.”

This was likely his first moment of relevance, and he’s probably still enjoying that.

And legally, he’s definitely not insane. Insane people don’t go to the lengths he did to conceal a crime like this.

He knew what he was doing, and he knew what he was doing was wrong.

What he did was perfectly sane, albeit evil.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Well, I haven't been told I'm nuts for a few days, so I'm going to share my latest thought ans risk ending my streak... I keep wondering if JP left her alone hoping she would escape because he didn't know what else to do with her. He seems out of it enough to feel like he'd never get credit for all of his brilliant planning and work if he just killed her too. For him to leave her alone, but still be right in the area when LE arrived, and to give up and confess so quickly, it almost seemed like he had planned to have it happen that way. He may believe he'll be able to fake insanity to be found not guilty and then make a miraculous recovery (like they sometimes do in movies, books and television shows.) There are just so many things about him that don't make sense that I wouldn't put anything past him. MOO

18 to 21 ... he had 0 responsibilities.. no house payment... no car payment...
Nothing...

now he’s got a kidnapped victim 24/7 he has to deal with...

I don’t think he thought anything out that far... and he couldn’t tell mom/dad can u take care of my abducted child...

 

[Wrenny]

We do not even know that the parents supported him. We have no idea. That is all speculation. He could have a green thumb. Who knows right?

One of the townspeople interviewed said he did odd jobs.

 

[Rhenish]

Well, I haven't been told I'm nuts for a few days, so I'm going to share my latest thought and risk ending my streak... I keep wondering if JP left her alone hoping she would escape because he didn't know what else to do with her. He seems out of it enough to feel like he'd never get credit for all of his brilliant planning and work if he just killed her too. For him to leave her alone, but still be right in the area when LE arrived, and to give up and confess so quickly, it almost seemed like he had planned to have it happen that way. He may believe he'll be able to fake insanity to be found not guilty and then make a miraculous recovery (like they sometimes do in movies, books and television shows.) There are just so many things about him that don't make sense that I wouldn't put anything past him. MOO

ETA: Maybe not as far fetched as I thought. I see a couple other people have mentioned some of this since I started typing this. It really sucks being a lousy typist!

I don't think you are nuts at all, I have wondered the same for the same reasons you have mentioned. To date there is so little known or released about this guy that it is hard to say. I think with the release of more information, hopefully, things may come together and make more sense. The lack of information regarding Jake Patterson and his life etc. is so limited it is hard to "sleuth" or assess what the heck the driving motivation behind his actions was.

 

[Forpsy]

My brain is spinning. On the one hand, he did everything he could to have no contact with the outside world. But when caught, he is eager to admit to the crime and tell his story. So which is it.... loves the attention or wants no attention?

Both. He wants to control the attention. JMO

 

[Jim_M]

I think of JP and I think that he was born a sweet baby like all of us and life happened to him. I am so sad that he never knew or will know the love that Jayme has known from her family and the community. He has nothing but hate coming his way forever and I cannot comprehend what that is like. Hate only causes more hate, only love conquers hate. I hope this little response isn't considered off topic. IMO

I believe anyone with empathy will agree with you on these thoughts.

Jayme has endured a horror in her life. The love she has always experienced, will continue to nurture her soul. She saved her own life, and IMO she can do this. Carry on with a glorious life.

JTP on the other hand. He will (hopefully) be studied. Whether biological, or psychological, we will need to find some answers. Although I think we all realize that our mentally ill are not being properly handled. At least that appears to be the case.