AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[Area52]

With the involvement of the FBI, I'm fairly certain that none of us could be 100% sure that we know more than they do. I'm sure the tapes have been analyzed, evidence is being processed, and the investigation is quietly moving along. Unfortunately,, sometimes morbid curiosity is the reason people want more information released!

 

[cluciano63]

LE would have family members listen to the tape if there was any chance of an unknown voice on it, imo. And they are not letting them, apparently. LE has said repeatedly the tape is of no investigative use, other than maybe telling them that Jayme was probably present.

We complain when they tell us nothing but when they tell us something, we don’t believe them...jmo

 

[Trino]

This is not to blame Jayme, as a family member, because I don't believe she was involved in the home invasion or killing of her parents. Worth an exploration, however, is who may have interacted with Jayme prior to the incident, someone she perhaps kept to herself. At age 13, one is starting to spread wings, exploring what's out there, oblivious to underworld life. One cannot protect a child every waking moment.

 

[jayaxx]

LE would have family members listen to the tape if there was any chance of an unknown voice on it, imo. And they are not letting them, apparently. LE has said repeatedly the tape is of no investigative use, other than maybe telling them that Jayme was probably present.

We complain when they tell us nothing but when they tell us something, we don’t believe them...jmo

Are you saying no investigative use at all? Or no investigative use to find Jayme (as opposed to for purposes of prosecution)? Because if its the former than they have even less reason not to release it. If there is no legal investigative reason to withhold it, would it not be vulnerable to a FOI request?

 

[jayaxx]

This is not to blame Jayme, as a family member, because I don't believe she was involved in the home invasion or killing of her parents. Worth an exploration, however, is who may have interacted with Jayme prior to the incident, someone she perhaps kept to herself. At age 13, one is starting to spread wings, exploring what's out there, oblivious to underworld life. One cannot protect a child every waking moment.

I feel like if there was ANYTHING even remotely suspicious who she was connecting with we would have heard it by now, or at least some allusion to it

 

[Hatfield]

With the involvement of the FBI, I'm fairly certain that none of us could be 100% sure that we know more than they do. I'm sure the tapes have been analyzed, evidence is being processed, and the investigation is quietly moving along. Unfortunately,, sometimes morbid curiosity is the reason people want more information released!

JMO
Ive seen the word "curiosity" used at least three different times now and Im sorry but that is not it at all.

People sincerely think that there is a small possibility that there could be some clue on the tape that could help find her. For example, lets say in the background the perp can be barely heard saying one simple word like "Bud". To LE and everyone here it would be meaningless but to someone local who may happen to know a John Smith that calls his friend "Bud" it may be the one clue that leads to the perp or perps and leads to finding Jayme.

I am personally willing to give LE the benefit of the doubt here that there is nothing like that on the tape that can be helpful and that is why they are not releasing it. But if we find out later there is something like that on the tape and we find out she was killed many days after being abducted then I would have to seriously question their decision making. They could always cut out any parts that are just painful to the friends and family.
If there is nothing valuable then they are doing the right thing by not releasing it.

Curiosity has nothing to do with it for most of us. We are honestly trying to help.

 

[photographer4]

I have read a few peoples comments throughout the last 6 weeks stating that the dogs would pick up her scent if she ran. Obviously we do not know how often she walked around the property and how far back she would go but wouldn't her scent be everywhere? I guess what I'm asking is how can the dogs decipher if her scent was more recent or it was from her walking in the woods a week ago? Her scent should be all over the property anyways.

I read years ago when following another case that scent cones for stress and fear are different than everyday scent. Also the more recent, the stronger the scent for dogs to follow. Weather and wind may also have an impact from my understanding.

 

[photographer4]

LE would have family members listen to the tape if there was any chance of an unknown voice on it, imo. And they are not letting them, apparently. LE has said repeatedly the tape is of no investigative use, other than maybe telling them that Jayme was probably present.

We complain when they tell us nothing but when they tell us something, we don’t believe them...jmo

Are family usually permitted or asked to review the 911 call?

 

[cryscrys]

My fear is that she was injured, maybe by a bullet, ran away from the perps and eventually died from her injury. What's the terrain like again? Is there a ravine into which she could have fallen? With the leaves falling, she could be hidden pretty well. We know they've searched but I've seen A LOT of people found within the search radius many months after they went missing....maybe she was never taken to begin with. Dumb idea I know, but different . Impossible?

I keep toggling back between this theory and that the reason she was taken was because there would be identifiable DNA on her (take that as you may) BUT the fact that LE doesn't seem to be investigating as if she could be somewhere closer to home from escaping does make my mind wander a little bit... all JMO

 

[Trino]

I feel like if there was ANYTHING even remotely suspicious who she was connecting with we would have heard it by now, or at least some allusion to it

But, we don't know what LE knows. Someone was connected to this family somehow, either to Denise, James, or Jayme. "Fitzgerald said his gut tells him this was a targeted, not random, attack."
(Nov 15 2018) Sheriff Fitzgerald keeping hope Jayme Closs is still alive, calls it the worst crime in county history

 

[cluciano63]

Are you saying no investigative use at all? Or no investigative use to find Jayme (as opposed to for purposes of prosecution)? Because if its the former than they have even less reason not to release it. If there is no legal investigative reason to withhold it, would it not be vulnerable to a FOI request?

LE is not required to release anything that relates to an active case in most states, imo.

 

[cluciano63]

Are family usually permitted or asked to review the 911 call?

In the Indiana case of the murdered girls, family has indicated that they have heard more of the tape than what was released to the public. That bit that was released has not helped find the killer in nearly two years. Jmo

 

[daisy6441]

I keep toggling back between this theory and that the reason she was taken was because there would be identifiable DNA on her (take that as you may) BUT the fact that LE doesn't seem to be investigating as if she could be somewhere closer to home from escaping does make my mind wander a little bit... all JMO

Maybe they planned to just kill her too but she did something that made them so angry they decided to take her and torture her.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Maybe they planned to just kill her too but she did something that made them so angry they decided to take her and torture her.

Might have just panicked when they found out 911 call was made and thought they might need a hostage later.

 

[cryscrys]

Maybe they planned to just kill her too but she did something that made them so angry they decided to take her and torture her.

That is also very possible. Everything in this case is pretty standard and has many valid possible explanations UNTIL you get to the part where Jayme is missing, after that you lose a lot of options as to motive and it narrows it down to only a handful of viable options.

 

[cluciano63]

If the tape was released...within an hour there would be altered versions in youtube claiming all sorts of nonsense...some people still believe Paul is dead fifty years later...

 

[jayaxx]

LE is not required to release anything that relates to an active case in most states, imo.

I understand. What I am saying is if there is no perceived investigative value for purposes of prosecution, then it would seem the risk of releasing it would be outweighed by the even remote chance of a) someone hearing something useful or b) at the very least, getting this back in the headlines rather than let it get cold and die. If there is specific information released that cant be heard because it jeopardizes something, they can cut that part out

 

[jayaxx]

If the tape was released...within an hour there would be altered versions in youtube claiming all sorts of nonsense...some people still believe Paul is dead fifty years later...

And Andy Kaufman isnt.

I hear you. I dont think there is a perfect solution. I just dont want this case to go ice cold. I want everything possible tried to potentially find this poor girl. Im sorry if I am so passionate on this. I have kids and i would be fuming if they werent trying every hail mary under the sun to bring my kid home. I feel like at some point the merits of releasing outweigh the merits of not releasing considering you can cut out specific pieces if they jeopardize something

 

[cryscrys]

Might have just panicked when they found out 911 call was made and thought they might need a hostage later.

I have had that same train of thought, but the part that trips me up is that the perp or perps more than likely knew 911 was called and police were on the way seems that they may have a shot at getting away if they run into the cops but aren't suspicious! They would know they had zero chance of getting away if they get stopped by the cops and have a kidnapped teenager in their car.

 

[Hatfield]

I have read a few peoples comments throughout the last 6 weeks stating that the dogs would pick up her scent if she ran. Obviously we do not know how often she walked around the property and how far back she would go but wouldn't her scent be everywhere? I guess what I'm asking is how can the dogs decipher if her scent was more recent or it was from her walking in the woods a week ago? Her scent should be all over the property anyways.

JMO
I have followed quite a few cases here that involved dogs being used and my understanding is they can decipher a fresher scent from an older one so I think the thought would be that if there was a fresher trail of hers that led from the house to the wooded area that perhaps the dogs would pick up on that trail over older ones.

Also I think her scent would most likely be generally around the outside of the house area and not too many trails of her scent would go venturing into the woods so if the dogs picked up a trail veturing off into the woods then that would be one trail they would want to focus on.

I havent been able to keep up with this case as much as others here and not sure how much dog searching or dog scent tracking they used so far. IMO it would be still helpful to do that just in case she took off from the house running away in a panic and somehow hurt herself badly like running into a tree which could easily happen when running in the woods in a panic. I would hate to think she has been out in those woods the whole time. But unless they search it really good then there is no way to tell. Maybe they did already. Do we know how much dogs were used and if they had good scent tracking dogs at the time?

I had a really good Brittany Spaniel hunting dog that had an incredible nose and I learned that certain dogs are much better than others so having the right type of dog and a good dog makes all the difference.