AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[Ragnarok]

Are there portable scanners on which you can hear if police is on the way? And can you find out if there would have been such a device at the scene. Can they be pinged or something?

Yes to portable scanners. No to being pinged that I know of excluding scanner apps on a cell phone.

 

[JRW]

That is a standard first call entry done by the person receiving the 911 call. It does make me wonder if there was something that indicated shots had been fired.

ETA

I found it odd that someone laying in the front doorway with the door open would be first considered a possible suicide.

 

[Lillymac]

I found it odd that someone laying in the front doorway with the door open would be first considered a possible suicide.

The call log is based on the 911 call and prior to any officer arriving on scene. The determination of suicide, murder or anything else is done by the investigators and not the officers. My info was told to me by LE. Guess we need someone in LE to explain how the Call Log works. I sure didn't know until I talked to them.

 

[LVatty10]

I keep going over and over this case in my head... Something about the fact that they originally called in a possible suicide when the LE arrived on the scene doesn't sit well with me... It makes me think it has something to do with how or where James was laying. Again that's just my opinion and something that keeps coming back to me for some reason. I have also started trying to look at LE's actions from the different direction. Instead of focusing on what they are doing i'm trying to think of what they aren't doing. I think that might give more insight into what details they know or don't know about the case. What they are doing has been picked over with a fine tooth comb, so what is missing here? What aren't they asking for, what aren't they looking for?

I like this approach of thinking about what they aren't doing. To get things started:

LE isn't requesting the public's help in identifying a witness/person(s) of interest/suspect. In the Delphi murders, you have the video/pics of Bridge Guy. In Hania's case, you have the video of the guy walking in the area the hour prior to her abduction. In both cases, LE has appealed to the public for help in identifying the individuals in the videos/pics. Not in this case.

LE isn't asking the public to keep an eye out for certain items of clothing. In Hania's case, LE recently posted pictures of Hania's shoes and asked the public to keep an eye out for them. Granted the shoes are unique. Nothing in this case about what Jayme may have been wearing.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I like this approach of thinking about what they aren't doing. To get things started:

LE isn't requesting the public's help in identifying a witness/person(s) of interest/suspect. In the Delphi murders, you have the video/pics of Bridge Guy. In Hania's case, you have the video of the guy walking in the area the hour prior to her abduction. In both cases, LE has appealed to the public for help in identifying the individuals in the videos/pics. Not in this case.

LE isn't asking the public to keep an eye out for certain items of clothing. In Hania's case, LE recently posted pictures of Hania's shoes and asked the public to keep an eye out for them. Granted the shoes are unique. Nothing in this case about what Jayme may have been wearing.

Also stopped asking for the two cars-

 

[SeattleStew]

Gonna toss this out: It was just about two weeks from Halloween. We've seen photos from family members of Jayme in costumes from past years.

I keep wondering if they found Jayme's costume she planned on wearing, or did it end up being used to disguise her after her abduction?

Family comments about having more questions than answers after visiting Closs home has me wondering what could they mean?

 

[SausagePizza]

These are the radio frequencies For Barron County WI.

Barron County, Wisconsin (WI) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

 

[sumzero]

I like this approach of thinking about what they aren't doing. To get things started:

LE isn't requesting the public's help in identifying a witness/person(s) of interest/suspect. In the Delphi murders, you have the video/pics of Bridge Guy. In Hania's case, you have the video of the guy walking in the area the hour prior to her abduction. In both cases, LE has appealed to the public for help in identifying the individuals in the videos/pics. Not in this case.

LE isn't asking the public to keep an eye out for certain items of clothing. In Hania's case, LE recently posted pictures of Hania's shoes and asked the public to keep an eye out for them. Granted the shoes are unique. Nothing in this case about what Jayme may have been wearing.

My guess: LE would share this information if they had it; but they do not. The sheriff in his long radio interview seemed utterly baffled.

 

[sumzero]

Gonna toss this out: It was just about two weeks from Halloween. We've seen photos from family members of Jayme in costumes from past years.

I keep wondering if they found Jayme's costume she planned on wearing, or did it end up being used to disguise her after her abduction?

Family comments about having more questions than answers after visiting Closs home has me wondering what could they mean?

Where I’m from, not many 13-year-olds still go trick or treating.

 

[SeattleStew]

Barron County Sheriff's Facebook just posted a photo of a Christmas Tree decorated for Jayme. Crying.

 

[SeattleStew]

Where I’m from, not many 13-year-olds still go trick or treating.

Wow, that's interesting. Most in my major metropolitan city go through middle school.

 

[JRW]

The call log is based on the 911 call and prior to any officer arriving on scene. The determination of suicide, murder or anything else is done by the investigators and not the officers. My info was told to me by LE. Guess we need someone in LE to explain how the Call Log works. I sure didn't know until I talked to them.

• "10/15/18 01:00:30 - dispatched units arrive on scene. [22]
• 10/15/18 01:03 - dispatch is advised of possible suicide attempt. Requested assistance, first responders. [22]
• 10/15/18 1:05:19 - dispatch is advised of one male down, multiple rounds spent. [22]
• 10/15/18 01:06:19 - dispatch is advised to request ERT; door has been kicked in, male who is down had answered the door. [22]"

This states that Dispatch was advised of possible suicide attempt 3 minutes after units arrives on the scene.

 

[Mistermagoo]

You could be richt. But I still think it's odd that there was a lot of time between the two gunshots at 00.30 and the moment police was dispatched. But as soon as they were on the way, the 911 call ended.
So did the perp discover the call beeing made? Or did a scanner alert the perp?

I have been following this case from the beginning, I have been on every thread. I am very aware of the neighbors accounts of that night. It just hit me that I don't think that I have ever heard the sheriff or anyone in LE actually say that they are using the neighbors account in their timeline. In contrast, Sheriff Fitzgerald stated that because of the lack of DNA, he believes that the perp(s) were in and out relatively fast, which would make me believe that they are not taking the neighbors account the way the rest of us may be. Can anyone on here recall the sheriff using the neighbors time?

 

[JRW]

Gonna toss this out: It was just about two weeks from Halloween. We've seen photos from family members of Jayme in costumes from past years.

I keep wondering if they found Jayme's costume she planned on wearing, or did it end up being used to disguise her after her abduction?

Family comments about having more questions than answers after visiting Closs home has me wondering what could they mean?

Since you mention disguising Jayme..... I'm curious if the local stores have been told to look for anyone who seems out of place buying hairdye.... clothing of a certain size....make up etc?

 

[JRW]

Where I’m from, not many 13-year-olds still go trick or treating.

I live in a smaller town, and 13 year olds still go trick or treating and those that don't definately still dress up for events or school

 

[bizzle2]

I have been following this case from the beginning, I have been on every thread. I am very aware of the neighbors accounts of that night. It just hit me that I don't think that I have ever heard the sheriff or anyone in LE actually say that they are using the neighbors account in their timeline. In contrast, Sheriff Fitzgerald stated that because of the lack of DNA, he believes that the perp(s) were in and out relatively fast, which would make me believe that they are not taking the neighbors account the way the rest of us may be. Can anyone on here recall the sheriff using the neighbors time?

No one from LE has said a thing about the shots heard by neighbors. Not once.

In fact, every indication from LE has been that the timing of the neighbors’ account is likely inaccurate

 

[bellyup]

I found it odd that someone laying in the front doorway with the door open would be first considered a possible suicide.

This was discussed at length a few threads back.
I think it was initial reaction upon seeing an older gentleman 45+ with a head wound that appeared to be a gunshot. Statistically speaking, it would be MOST likely to be suicide so "possible suicide" is what he radio'ed in.

 

[charminglane]

Today I am thinking maybe the phone used to dial 911 had been shot at, which ended the call.

Maybe it was James' phone, as seen from the front door, with possible suicide situation with last call for help assumed by arriving LE on scene?

 

[bellyup]

Today I am thinking maybe the phone used to dial 911 had been shot at, which ended the call. Maybe it was James' phone, as seen from the front door, with possible suicide situation with last call for help assumed by arriving LE on scene?

We know it was Denise's phone.
We also know it was somewhere between James and Denise and looked like it had been kicked there. (so it wasn't nearby James body)
We just don't know who initiated the call.

 

[KLM6]

No one from LE has said a thing about the shots heard by neighbors. Not once.

In fact, every indication from LE has been that the timing of the neighbors’ account is likely inaccurate

One thing it tells me is that, if the neighbors are correct, those 2 shots most likely dont coincide with the approx time of death, which would have been determined by the ME. By analyzing the sheriffs statements, it almost seems as if the actual deaths took place just around the time of the 911 call. I personally believe the neighbor did hear the shots fired. What I dont have an opinion about is whether their timing was off, or if the sheriff believes they were something apart from the actual "crime" itself, or, he may have reason to be keeping that info tucked away with the 911 call. It almost seems to me that if he didnt believe it happened he would at least acknowledge that much. That wouldnt hurt anything. moo.