AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #27

[gngr~snap]

Totally get and understand that. My question is, how did she maintain bus service? My school district would probably approve the transfer, but transportation would be left up to me. They wouldn’t provide bus service. Just makes me say hmm.

There would have to have been "special circumstances" for this to happen. Something that would fall under "special needs".
*Not about Jayme - but as an example: a history of seizures/epilepsy or perhaps a severe allergy to something that would require the use of an Epi-pen perhaps.
Maybe she had an immumoglobulin deficiency- hadn't she also just had pneumonia?

I feel like the police do know more than what they are allowed to say, perhaps due to HIPAA??
moo

 

[Jazzy5980]

Totally get and understand that. My question is, how did she maintain bus service? My school district would probably approve the transfer, but transportation would be left up to me. They wouldn’t provide bus service. Just makes me say hmm.

I don’t have the article, however, it was explained early on that at a young age Jamey started going to the school in the district where her aunt lived so that she had a familiar place to go after school. The aunt recently moved to Jayme’s “home” district thereby resulting in Jayme changing schools such that her aunt didn’t have to travel further to pickup/transport Jayme to school and extracurricular activities. Seems like the term “caretaker” was coined by the journalist who wrote the article.

 

[rosesfromangels]

There would have to have been "special circumstances" for this to happen. Something that would fall under "special needs".
*Not about Jayme - but as an example: a history of seizures/epilepsy or perhaps a severe allergy to something that would require the use of an Epi-pen perhaps.
Maybe she had an immumoglobulin deficiency- hadn't she also just had pneumonia?

I feel like the police do know more than what they are allowed to say, perhaps due to HIPAA??
moo

Very helpful post, thank you.
It could very well be that Jayme had a fragile condition of some sort, but then her cross country running and dancing refutes that theory.
The level of disruption moving her to a new school isn’t adding up for me. There is more to it, but I don’t know what.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Minordetails]

My gut tells me that the 911 call got in the way of whatever their original plans were, they panicked, killed James and Denise, grabbed Jayme and got out ASAP.

In my opinion, this crime appears to have been committed in full blown panic mode or calm, calculated, execution style. Nothing in between.

 

[Jazzy5980]

I don’t have the article, however, it was explained early on that at a young age Jamey started going to the school in the district where her aunt lived so that she had a familiar place to go after school. The aunt recently moved to Jayme’s “home” district thereby resulting in Jayme changing schools such that her aunt didn’t have to travel further to pickup/transport Jayme to school and extracurricular activities. Seems like the term “caretaker” was coined by the journalist who wrote the article.

No issue with Jayme riding the bus once she returned to her “home” district.

 

[WiseOwl]

This is thread#27, so don't ask me where it's all been discussed... JC used to attend school in Cameron, which was out of district, because her caretaker, who is her aunt, lived there. When the caretaker moved to Barron, JC switched to her own normal district. "Caretaker" is a term used in WI school documents and means nothing more than babysitter, or after school care provider. They have open enrollment to allow for situations like this.

Thanks for this info Sandy. So is the reason the Aunt was the caretaker/babysitter is because she took care of Jayme while James and Denise were working at the turkey plant, presumably late afternoons, evenings and night shifts?

 

[Jabarn]

While I tend to believe Jayme was the target, that is my biggest issue with that theory. If he catches her somewhere alone it might be hours before LE is on the case and LE may have difficulty even finding the crime scene. If they find the scene. For every scenario in this case I can see a reason why it would not make sense.

I know!

Understanding the motive is so critical. It seems like a hit job, with some planning. That doesn’t equate with great planning. The 911 call would not have been part of the plan.

Thinking tonight about an angle that has been brought up here before that Jayme was not the target, but one of her parents was.

If that is the case, the suspect(s) couldn’t kill her, but also couldn’t leave her as a witness.

IMO.

 

[bellyup]

This is thread#27, so don't ask me where it's all been discussed... JC used to attend school in Cameron, which was out of district, because her caretaker, who is her aunt, lived there. When the caretaker moved to Barron, JC switched to her own normal district. "Caretaker" is a term used in WI school documents and means nothing more than babysitter, or after school care provider. They have open enrollment to allow for situations like this.

This was all speculation and not confirmed anywhere, was it?

 

[Jabarn]

They could have also been looking for any foreign dna on mattress.. that wasn’t family / cousin / friend...

I still think there is a small chance perp was in that house prior to murder/kidnapping.

I would certainly want to know if James guns loaded.. if not ... was that typical?

With 3 people/ 3 phones /3 guns.. I would think small chance perp did recon outside home/ possible inside home ... almost knowing this was outcome ... even then he almost got tripped up.. Denise live streams or gets photo taken he’s screwed..

That was my original theory. The crime was already in progress when dad came home, and he was shot at the door. The new information doesn’t necessarily dispute that, fwiw. The shootings happened fast and nothing was found within 5 feet from the front door of evidentiary value is all I can make out, and as always, my opinion.

There isn’t any information in MSM, from what I can tell, who was home and when.

Please correct me if I am wrong on any of those points.

 

[JRW]

I find that puzzling and for some reason I am offended by his statement.

What did he expect this tiny little 100 pound girl to do? Fight this brute who had already murdered her parents in cold blood?

Imo she would be paralyzed with fear and would have done everything he commanded her to do like so many other victims have done many times before.

It does show though that Jayme wasnt allowed to take anything with her or they would have seen things missing in her room and evidence the drawers were gone through quickly.

Imo this shows Jayme never knew this was going to happen until the monster invaded the safe space of their home and brought evil with him in the worst form.

My heart breaks for Jayme and how terrified she must have been.

It would rip her heart out seeing the two people she loved above all others laying on the floor bloodied and dead. She wasnt even allowed to hug them and tell them one last time how much she loved them.

In a flash she was taken away by the one who would make her living nightmares neverending.

Jmo

In my opinion therr could be several scenereos why she didnt resist..
1. could havr allready been out side meaning she was sneaking out to meet someone..
2. could have been tazed or knocked unconscous then carriend out
3.could have complied thinking she could run once she got outside (remember she did run track) then fpund out once she was out that she was stuck.
4. could have completely been in shock or terrorfied and unable to resist.

as for not taking anything with her im not sure if anyoje in thr extended family would know that anything was missing if she did take shoes... a coat...sweatshirt etc.

 

[Andreee]

Agreed. Everything that I have read indicates a very vanilla family. They all seemed to be going about their lives; the parents working to maintain a comfortable standard of living, and Jamye going through life like a 13 YO would in this day and age.

I have two nieces that are 7 years older than Jamye. Wife and I were very involved in their lives because we would have gotten custody per will if the parents died. Also have a 12 YO Granddaughter that I transport to events when necessary.

Without evidence I see nothing that raises red flags for me reference Jamye's life and upbringing.

Totally agree! AND Jayme had only just turned 13 years old! Not all new teens suddenly become boy obsessed, some (I know I did) had other interests!

 

[WiseOwl]

In my opinion therr could be several scenereos why she didnt resist..
1. could havr allready been out side meaning she was sneaking out to meet someone..
2. could have been tazed or knocked unconscous then carriend out
3.could have complied thinking she could run once she got outside (remember she did run track) then fpund out once she was out that she was stuck.
4. could have completely been in shock or terrorfied and unable to resist.

as for not taking anything with her im not sure if anyoje in thr extended family would know that anything was missing if she did take shoes... a coat...sweatshirt etc.

There were photo's taken of Jayme that afternoon at the family gathering - has it ever been mentioned if the clothes she was wearing that day were found at the property?

 

[JRW]

i know everyone keeps sa

I don’t see how 911 Call is made prior to first gun shots .. if call last 47 seconds and no gunshot on them ... would crunch timeframe way too much..

I don’t see gambling debt ... could be possible... I can’t understand why police don’t say Denise James both had no money problems though ..

Still think 2 shots to eliminate only two people that what stop perp from getting what he wanted ..in and out quicker then bank robbery. How or why jayme went so quickly with the piece of garbage is beyond me... 14 yr old girl weighing 100 pounds doesn’t have a lot options..

everyone keeps menyioning jaymes weight and saying it would be easy to take her...please remember that Jayme took both dance and ran track im sure she had a heck of a kick... also has anyone ever tried to put a 40 pound toddler in a car when they didnt want to go?? When they deadweight you and kick and wiggle and fight? not as easy as you think. im only stateing this because i believe Jayme still has a fighting chance human will is stronger than you think

 

[Rubiconbob]

That was my original theory. The crime was already in progress when dad came home, and he was shot at the door. The new information doesn’t necessarily dispute that, fwiw. The shootings happened fast and nothing was found within 5 feet from the front door of evidentiary value is all I can make out, and as always, my opinion.

There isn’t any information in MSM, from what I can tell, who was home and when.

Please correct me if I am wrong on any of those points.

Your theory
Could be correct.. especially if jayme was main target..

I though more along lines of perp going through home while there at party.. maybe seeing where everything at.. makes mental note of guns ... possibly unloading them..

He could have done 3/4 days earlier.. only thing he needs to know is time James/Denise work together along with jayme school hours and many opportunities for him to do that .. most jeanie o ees could back into that.

Or perp was in house some other time .. bug spray guy / tv repair guy..

Just think perp knew who was in house and what he was likely to encounter.. he kills two people .. in 5/10 seconds ...leaves money / guns / and 3 phones alone ... doesn’t look for brothers or other people on the house?? Simply gets jayme and gone??

If they’d found jayme scared in the woods I’d buy robbery..maybe..but she’s only thing taken..

 

[Andreee]

i know everyone keeps sa

everyone keeps menyioning jaymes weight and saying it would be easy to take her...please remember that Jayme took both dance and ran track im sure she had a heck of a kick... also has anyone ever tried to put a 40 pound toddler in a car when they didnt want to go?? When they deadweight you and kick and wiggle and fight? not as easy as you think. im only stateing this because i believe Jayme still has a fighting chance human will is stronger than you think

Jayme would not have had a chance, with a gun toting intruder.

 

[Jabarn]

With no evidence.. any scenario applies.. two likely ... jayme asks for moms phone at 11 no juice on her phone ...she makes call drops phone or disconnects before perp enters room. ??

Denise could have started call... got shot then perp goes to yell at jayme ... I still don’t know how Call gets disconnected without someone touching it ??? Could see light footprints but no sound before disconnecting makes my head hurt.. hope police know.

No way to know for sure, but it may be James being involved in a confrontation at the front door allowed either mom or daughter to make the 911 call. It didn’t result in a direct communication, though, from anyone on the transmitting end, and another clue the crime happened fast.

 

[Jabarn]

Your theory
Could be correct.. especially if jayme was main target..

I though more along lines of perp going through home while there at party.. maybe seeing where everything at.. makes mental note of guns ... possibly unloading them..

He could have done 3/4 days earlier.. only thing he needs to know is time James/Denise work together along with jayme school hours and many opportunities for him to do that .. most jeanie o ees could back into that.

Or perp was in house some other time .. bug spray guy / tv repair guy..

Just think perp knew who was in house and what he was likely to encounter.. he kills two people .. in 5/10 seconds ...leaves money / guns / and 3 phones alone ... doesn’t look for brothers or other people on the house?? Simply gets jayme and gone??

If they’d found jayme scared in the woods I’d buy robbery..maybe..but she’s only thing taken..

Agreed, for sure, robbery wasn’t the motive.

 

[Lavender Moon]

I absolutely see your point. I do want to say, though, that people dealing with a defiant, wiggly toddler are not going to punch the child senseless in order to gain his/her compliance.

As a dancer and a runner, Jayme is surely strong but nevertheless still a small girl. All it takes is one blow from a larger person to make someone stop struggling; one blow and threats of more to come.

 

[Trino]

She's thirteen years old, has a caretaker for after school, is involved in multiple activities, and has many family members living in the area. It's reasonable to guess that she's not going to be alone for long stretches very often.

If the goal was to take her and get a good head start on a getaway, then taking her at night and killing the parents was by far the best way to do it.

If there was no 911 call, think of how long the perp would have had before anyone even noticed she was gone. Probably ten hours, maybe even more

It has not been documented that Jayme was involved in multiple activities, only x-country, which is over in fall, sometime in October. There is no mention of anything else except dance classes, and it appears Denise was with her there.

 

[Lavender Moon]

Hi, for some reason the quote didn't come up. I was responding to JRW's post...and I agree with you that Jayme still has a fighting chance. She may be alive.