AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #27

[BlinkOfAnI]

Well that rules out drugs/ drug money as motive....

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I won't rule drugs out because things aren't missing. Google meth related crimes/murder. I've posted links on prior threads. Meth can cause horrible, senseless and vicious crimes (that have nothing to do with money)to innocent people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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[proctorelites]

Depends on the state/local laws. Where I grew up in East TN, lots of hunters hunted possums & coons during the night, perfectly legal.

I have heard raucous laughter and partying with gunshots...new years eve you're guaranteed to hear that in my area. So dang bizarre and I've lived here for nearly 50 yrs, my entire life. It always makes me think..what a brilliant idea, let's all get drunk and target practice or hold my beer let me show yall my gun lmbo. Wow, gotta love the country

 

[cluciano63]

I won't rule drugs out because things aren't missing. Google meth related crimes/murder. I've posted links on prior threads. Meth can cause horrible, senseless and vicious crimes (that have nothing to do with money)to innocent people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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But these people were in their own home, late at night...not in the wrong place.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

But these people were in their own home, late at night...not in the wrong place.

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"wrong place wrong time" is an idiom meaning:
"Physically present somewhere when something bad or problematic happens. The phrase is often used to
indicate that the trouble that one encountered was not their fault but rather due to unfortunate circumstances."
in the wrong place at the wrong time

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I witnessed a horrible crime when I was 12 or 13 and I was completely silent. I couldn't scream if I tried. I remember curling up in a ball in the corner.

I've had horrific dreams a few times which felt so real that I awoke with palpitations and soaking wet. In every instance, I froze and became mute. I truly feel for you and believe I would have had the same response. I believe it's shock. I'm so sorry that you had to endure such trauma. It's unimaginable.

 

[UltraViolet4545]

Dog not shot, still in home? This potentially means that the perpetrator knew that the dog was not going to be protective and aggressive.

The Closs’ dog is a tiny little Shih Tzu. A fluffy haired 15 pounder. It may have been hiding and scared from all the commotion and loud noise. It would pose zero threat to an intruder.

 

[cluciano63]

The Closs’ dog is a tiny little Shih Tzu. A fluffy haired 15 pounder. It may have been hiding and scared from all the commotion and loud noise. It would pose zero threat to an intruder.

My little dog would certainly cause a fuss...and probably would have paid the price I can’t imagine a dog hiding with owners in danger...maybe she was crated?

 

[mickey2942]

The Closs’ dog is a tiny little Shih Tzu. A fluffy haired 15 pounder. It may have been hiding and scared from all the commotion and loud noise. It would pose zero threat to an intruder.

Right, but the perpetrator had to have known that there was no dog, or at least a zero threat dog. Which means familiar with home, house inhabitants. And schedule, they wanted to get there when the Father got home from his shift. And layout of the house.

The perpetrator wanted the child, and knew a kidnapping wouldn't work, because both adults would have been able to identify the kidnapper immediately. So the adults had to be taken out. This says that there is something that happened...I am wondering if they had any type of work done on their home, painting, plumbing, yard work...not unlike the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping.

 

[cluciano63]

If that quote earlier tonight is accurate (from an interview with sheriff) saying cash, jewelry and credit cards were not taken, though plainly available...no way this was a home invasion. It was a murder/kidnapping from the start jmo. Even so, it is shocking that someone mudering two people so horribly would not grab cash, especially if it was visible.

 

[Abba's Tears]

I'm sorry you had to bring that up, and I completely understand. Most people wouldn't make a sound and comply in rightful fear of their life... I, on the other hand have always been an "agaisnt the grain" kind of person, and I would have fought. I guess it's worth mentioning I'm a combat vet as well so I am confident in my abilities and what I could or couldn't handle.

Thank you for your service to our country. It is greatly appreciated~

 

[Whiskers16]

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[1987]

I would still like to understand why on the call log why mothers brother called 911 latter in the morning. seems that other family would have been able to tell him the need to knows or if for clearer info he would have called a non emergency number or just gone to the sheriff and ask directly for any info. was that call just that for info or was there more happening that isn't publicly known? in the family media interviews he seems to be more opinionated than the sisters. not implying he has anything to do with the crime. something must have caused him to call in though. moo.

 

[KLM6]

If that quote earlier tonight is accurate (from an interview with sheriff) saying cash, jewelry and credit cards were not taken, though plainly available...no way this was a home invasion. It was a murder/kidnapping from the start jmo. Even so, it is shocking that someone mudering two people so horribly would not grab cash, especially if it was visible.

Totally agree about the wallet. To me, if it was clearly visible, whoever it was wasnt thinking about needing money right away. Very not typical of many theories. This whole case is perplexing.

 

[kkdj]

The Closs’ dog is a tiny little Shih Tzu. A fluffy haired 15 pounder. It may have been hiding and scared from all the commotion and loud noise. It would pose zero threat to an intruder.

But, those little dogs will definitely let you know when someone is nearby. I've owned 2. Best watchdogs I've ever had. It wouldn't surprise me if the dogs yapping awakened the household and that's what got Jim going towards the door to check things out.

 

[aliensporebomb]

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Yup and I believe it was someone from that plant they worked at. Someone they got into trouble and that person was fired or quit. It's the only scenario I can think of.

I still keep thinking did they see something they weren't supposed to see? Workers at the plant hiding a sideline drug business possibly?

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

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I won't rule drugs out because things aren't missing. Google meth related crimes/murder. I've posted links on prior threads. Meth can cause horrible, senseless and vicious crimes (that have nothing to do with money)to innocent people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Thank you @Whiskers16 . Sorry for the inconvenience!

 

[spiderbud]

Thank you for your service to our country. It is greatly appreciated~

Thank you. I/we appreciate the support

 

[kkdj]

I still keep thinking did they see something they weren't supposed to see? Workers at the plant hiding a sideline drug business possibly?

But why take Jayme? Every scenario I can imagine always comes back to that same question. Logic tells me they came for Jayme and eliminated the conflict ....that being her parents.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I'm sorry you had to bring that up, and I completely understand. Most people wouldn't make a sound and comply in rightful fear of their life... I, on the other hand have always been an "agaisnt the grain" kind of person, and I would have fought. I guess it's worth mentioning I'm a combat vet as well so I am confident in my abilities and what I could or couldn't handle.

Thank you for your service and I mean that from the heart of a Mom of 2 combat vets. Lost one #22 and over a decade struggling for the other.

 

[1987]

I have had another thought too, and it is wild left field thinking and we know nothing as fact about the multiple rounds other than multiple rounds statement on call log, but if someone planned ahead and wanted to throw a huge curve ball at investigators, a person could collect spent rounds from a fireing range, the woods, any number of places and toss a few on the ground/floor all from different fire arms to throw off testing on the spent rounds. this case is on my mind and as I find spent rounds, shells, etc in coat pockets and cup holders and they aren't all mine, well they are mine now but wasn't fired with my firearm the thought came to mind.