AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #27

[bellyup]

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[MingyMoo]

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[stephlovescheese]

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[human]

Jayme is lucky. She has an extended family that loves her and does things with her.

Lucky that she could go to after school care with people who love her.

All people need people who love them. A lot of people are missing family connection. Not a good thing in my eyes.

Jayme is an only child.

I wonder if kids came to her house. At that age, my kids had non stop sleepovers. We always had a gaggle of kids at our house out in the country

 

[bellyup]

Caretaker is just the official term used by the school district for someone other than the parent who takes care of the child after school. It has nothing to do with any sort of special need. That is just the term the district uses as a catch-all for babysitter, school-aged caregiver, after school care, etc.

Is there anything to substantiate that this is an official term used by the schools?

I have kids and I've never heard the term "caretaker" used except in a legal sense. Ie; I'm "caretaker" for my mother with dementia. Meaning I am the primary person who oversees every aspect of her health and well being as well as her finances OR In the case of SSI payments in regard to people who receive SSI needing additional incomes because they are caring for minor children (they call it caretaker supplements). It's also used for welfare or state benefit purposes (ie; primary caregivers can apply for benefits).
Or it applies to legal custody (ie; mom is the primary caregiver).

I don't see anyone using "caretaker" as an interchangeable term with "babysitter" or "daycare". It's very much a legal term or a paid job description (ie; caretaker of a property).

 

[Irmese]

It took five mins to find Denise. Think about that. This is some kind of messed up!! Can’t make any sense of it!

It took five minutes to report to the dispatcher, but I doubt if LE rushed into the house on arrival. They likely checked each room to analyze the situation and make sure no one else with a gun was waiting to ambush LE, maybe a little discussion among themselves before notifying dispatch. I just don't think the timing of reporting finding Denise really reflects much about where her body was in reference to James' body.

 

[Irmese]

Why did Fitzgerald make a point to say there is no evidence jayme put up a struggle ... why say that ??

Possibly to say she was not shot, to stress she was taken away alive. The also said she did not have a large social media/electronic footprint (IDR actual wording), but if Jayme knew who this was, she wasn't communicating with him online or by phone on a regular basis.

 

[bellyup]

Is there anything to substantiate that this is an official term used by the schools?

I have kids and I've never heard the term "caretaker" used except in a legal sense. Ie; I'm "caretaker" for my mother with dementia. Meaning I am the primary person who oversees every aspect of her health and well being as well as her finances OR In the case of SSI payments in regard to people who receive SSI needing additional incomes because they are caring for minor children (they call it caretaker supplements). It's also used for welfare or state benefit purposes (ie; primary caregivers can apply for benefits).
Or it applies to legal custody (ie; mom is the primary caregiver).

I don't see anyone using "caretaker" as an interchangeable term with "babysitter" or "daycare". It's very much a legal term or a paid job description (ie; caretaker of a property).

Replying to myself.
I still think it's entirely possible (and not unheard of) for a family to appoint a family member primary "caregiver" of a child in order to take them out of a school district and move them to another. Some families do this because a school is bad (ie; Mom lives in inner city, but her sister lives in suburb so they lie and say aunt is the primary caregiver (which implies custody from a legal standpoint) so that the child can go to the better school district.

Thing is, both districts in this case (with Jayme) are similarly rated with similar issues and offer open enrollment to each other. Soooooo. Why go through all of that just to switch schools ? It wouldn't be necessary for transportation purposes.

 

[sbsuzilight]

Agree.
Everyone is providing thoughtful and logical reasoning as to why Jayme needed a "caretaker". Note the use of the word "caretaker". It hasn't been said "Jayme's Aunt took care of her, or watched her while her parents were working". The word "caretaker" has been used specifically.
This word suggests a special need of some sort that required monitoring. It could have been physical, emotion, or psychological....or combo; some special need.

This isn't adding up for me given Jayme's age. Something else is behind the "care taking", and it could very well be material to her case.
I'd like to know what that is.

As usual, just an amateur opinion and speculation.

Jayme may have needed someone to take her to school or care for her when sick, but that doesn't require appointing someone as caretaker legally. I'm not sure we know that "care taker" wasn't just a word that was used or if it was an actual legal arrangement though.

If it was a legal arrangement there had to be a reason. Possible that it was simply to skirt the rules of school districts to enroll her in another district, but why was it that important to switch her to another district ? Parents generally avoid doing that if they don't have a pretty big reason. We know it wasn't a transportation thing because they have school bus services to the Closs home.

Where did we first hear the word “caretaker?”

 

[bellyup]

Where did we first hear the word “caretaker?”

Autopsy results of dead couple coming soon; search for missing teen continues
Jayme attended a Cameron School but transferred to Riverview Middle School in Barron because her family caretaker moved to that area, said Fitzgerald.

 

[SharonNeedles]

JMO - I think a lot of us here have driven the discussion totally off the rails with this stuff about 4 minutes, five feet, great marksmanship, etc. This alternate narrative has taken on a life of it’s own.

 

[sbsuzilight]

Autopsy results of dead couple coming soon; search for missing teen continues
Jayme attended a Cameron School but transferred to Riverview Middle School in Barron because her family caretaker moved to that area, said Fitzgerald.

Thank you!

 

[WiseOwl]

Autopsy results of dead couple coming soon; search for missing teen continues
Jayme attended a Cameron School but transferred to Riverview Middle School in Barron because her family caretaker moved to that area, said Fitzgerald.

Her FAMILY caretaker? Who is the family caretaker?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Autopsy results of dead couple coming soon; search for missing teen continues
Jayme attended a Cameron School but transferred to Riverview Middle School in Barron because her family caretaker moved to that area, said Fitzgerald.

And I still wonder if there was more to that. Given both her parents were murdered and Jayme is missing, all angles are game.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Her FAMILY caretaker? Who is the family caretaker?

Exactly. Odd.

 

[bellyup]

And I still wonder if there was more to that. Given both her parents were murdered and Jayme is missing, all angles are game.

I agree rosesfromangels.
It could be completely unrelated to the crime or it could be pretty darn important information.

 

[Hatfield]

The only guns that require registration in WI are fully automatics or guns with silencers (it's actually the silencer that requires registration, not the gun). There is a 48-hour waiting period on non-private hand gun sales but no registration required.

JMO
This is a good point and for people not experienced with how states manage guns there are common misconceptions.

Each state can have varying different rules and that complicates it even further.

Generally speaking it sounds like their state is similar to mine where handguns can be purchased at a store and you fill out a form for a background check and usually a short waiting period like 1 or 2 days or so and then you take possession of the handgun. In my state you dont have to register it further (no formal registration).

Now a Conceal Carry Permit is something you do have to go through a class for and requires another form application if you plan on carrying the handgun weapon concealed on your person or concealed in your vehicle. Its important to note that many people dont have a conceal carry permit but still own a handgun (no formal registration required so long as the state does not require one).

Also shotguns and long guns like hunting rifles are totally different too. You can buy them at a store and usually leave the same day. Again no official registration other than what the store makes you fill out to buy it. Less stringent rules than handguns by a long shot.

Anyway this is JMO and wanted to share because many people get confused and have misconceptions that all states require handguns to be "officially registered" and that is simply not true for all states. Some may and some may not.

One has to read the rules for acquiring handguns in the state to fully understand what is required.
Hope this helps some better understand.

I purposely did not try to read the rules in WI because I wanted to keep this opinion generally speaking.

 

[sbsuzilight]

Exactly. Odd.

Because the move of the “caretaker” resulted in Jayme having to change schools, whoever the caretaker is must have been very involved with Jayme. Going to a new school is a very big change for a 13 year old girl.

 

[sbsuzilight]

I agree rosesfromangels.
It could be completely unrelated to the crime or it could be pretty darn important information.

I agree.