AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #29

[CuriousMaine]

I don't recall ever seeing a ranch or similar style house with a bedroom off the kitchen/dining room. Nor one with mismatched windows. They've all had kitchen/dining/living kinda at one end, then two-three bedrooms and a bath off a hallway on the other side.

But I do see the cable line going up and in under that small (basement matching) window, so I'd guess it's either a bedroom or living room, and I too think the living room is likely in the front/west side.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

But nothing other than Jayme is missing. Wallet was still on the counter.

Jayme could have been the payment.

 

[CuriousMaine]

I have no idea what the capped PVC pipes are. Creative engineering, I guess. The lines to the ground from that same spot down are for the central air. The box is the A/C breaker. The horizontal dark lines are rg-6 coax (TV). To the right of all that looks like the main from the propane tank that's in the back yard.

Thank you! Maybe the PVC are sweat pipes (? is that what they're called?) Something for condensation? IDK.

 

[1987]

Thank you! Maybe the PVC are sweat pipes (? is that what they're called?) Something for condensation? IDK.

drier vent? odd pipe for that but who knows.

I can see the pipe is white, can't tell if plastic.

 

[*Removed_for_profanity*]

First thing I thought was sewer vent pipe for a basement bathroom, but I’ve never seen one that didn’t stick out of the roof. For obvious reasons.

 

[jalbitz]

Thank you! Good pics.

Anyone know what these white pipes and black/dark colored lines on the backside of the house are? View attachment 160553

The white pipes are for the furnace. Intake and exhaust.

 

[The Dude]

I had to think about this pipe thing for a moment. Those are furnace intake and exhaust. It just looks odd because those are usually about a foot above ground, but with the exposed basement design, well... there you go.

 

[The Dude]

Here are more pics
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Thanks! Do you know when these photos were taken? There's no exif data in them.

 

[Ragnarok]

First thing I thought was sewer vent pipe for a basement bathroom, but I’ve never seen one that didn’t stick out of the roof. For obvious reasons.

Dryer vent I believe is t0 the right side of front door, left of basement window. To right of guy with brown pants carrying door.

My bad. Should be reply to comment #326.

 

[1987]

on the aunts page it looks like the poster they are asking to be posted in high traffic areas has changed from missing to kidnapped.

 

[photographer4]

Maybe the dog was hoping against hope Jayme would let her in the side door. Probably the door the dog always uses. I think maybe the dog followed Jayme out or the A**H**** used the dog to make Jayme come out with him. Sorry, I get so mad when I think about what he did. I agree you never know how you will react when in a situation that causes intense fear, you may think you know but you don't.

Perp has a gun which he clearly knew how to use. I hardly think he had to use the dog to get Jayme to go with him. But, it’s possible maybe Jayme had picked up the dog to try to protect it or for comfort and she maybe had to put her down / let her go / dropped her (?) outside somewhere before being taken away? Maybe perp told her the dog couldn’t come? Or she dropped the dog upon being scooped up herself (just speculation on my part as to why / how the dog ended up outside so late at night).

The dog is very small. You wouldn’t want her outside alone at night especially in a wooded area. She would be easy prey for wild animals like coyotes so I don’t see anyone having let her outside on her own to do her business for example (maybe they did, who knows?).

 

[1987]

Perp has a gun which he clearly knew how to use. I hardly think he had to use the dog to get Jayme to go with him. But, it’s possible maybe Jayme had picked up the dog to try to protect it or for comfort and she maybe had to put her down / let her go / dropped her (?) outside somewhere before being taken away? Maybe perp told her the dog couldn’t come? Or she dropped the dog upon being scooped up herself (just speculation on my part as to why / how the dog ended up outside so late at night).

The dog is very small. You wouldn’t want her outside alone at night especially in a wooded area. She would be easy prey for wild animals like coyotes so I don’t see anyone having let her outside on her own to do her business for example (maybe they did, who knows?).

I haven't seen any links to the dog being out, but if it was outside it could have had its leash on and just dragging it around if someone had to let go of it. I would doubt she was allowed time to put a leash on it on the way out, but if someone in family had been outside with dog when incident began is how I am thinking the leash could have been on.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hey all, first post here but I’ve been following this from the beginning. What a terrible and perplexing story.

So I’ve been a Telecom/Utility Engineer for some 30-odd years, from installs to infrastructure and a year or so in the monitored home security (alarms) biz. I’m also quite familiar with northern Wisconsin. After seeing the image that Mistermagoo posted (the first I’ve seen with a clear view of the rear of the house), I wanted to share a few thoughts about some speculation I’ve read here.

About a hundred pages ago, it was mentioned that this house was a manufactured/modular home. It is not. This is a standard stick frame construction on a cinder block ‘walk-out’ type basement foundation. Actually, it’s more of a hybrid walk-out, as there’s no direct passage from the enclosed basement (to the left - or east - in the photo) to the outside. There’s likely a door between it and the garage portion (to the right - or west).

Based on the info of the panty thief thing, Jayme’s bedroom would be the upper left two windows in the photo. Her parent’s bedroom is likely the one window on the upper right. The bathroom would be the smaller raised window. The large double window is likely an open area to the rest of the house, possibly where the stairs to the basement are. I don’t know that any of this is directly relevant to anything.

Now, as to telecom - There is no Cable TV service available to this property. CenturyLink does offer ADSL here. ADSL utilizes up to 4 twisted pairs of copper from a fiber node as opposed to a single twisted pair with DSL. The terminal is in front of the house (it’s the 3’ tall light green enclosure seen on front images just to the rear of the ditch). As for the dish, the one on this house is most likely a receiver - or TV only - dish. An internet dish is a different beast entirely, even though they look similar. It would be unusual for a single-dish install to not be TV. Also the exterior wiring leads to multiple locations, whereas an internet dish would only require one line to the nid/router. In this photo, both bedrooms and possibly the basement have feeds.

There is also a cell tower about 1000’ behind the home. 4-bar 4G service should be a given here. I guess the point is that there’s TV and internet availability at this address. Personally, I don’t think this has much to do with what happened.

Interestingly, if you look closely at the photo, there is a flood light mounted on the upper left corner of the house under the soffit. It looks to be pointed toward the deck. I don’t know what that means, but I do wonder what lights were on (if any) when the police arrived.

Bah. None of this tells us where Jayme is…

Welcome and thanks for the info. everything helps.

 

[dub]

I'm intrigued by this line of thinking. I think you're definitely on to something, but I haven't found a distinction yet within my circle of friends/family. I know people (younger & older) who collect older rifles and the latest-tech handguns and everything in between. Different tools for different jobs. Others have just one or two firearms for only deer hunting and/or self defense/carry), but again, it varies and doesn't seem to consistently apply to an gender, age range, line of work, etc.

Is it more the action type or caliber? Both?

What do you think some of these popular firearms would reveal about a person/perp?

- 9mm semi-auto/striker-fired handgun (Glock, S&W, Ruger, Walther, Sig, etc)
-.45 (1911 style) hammer-fired handgun (Kimber, CZ, Sig, Beretta, etc.)
-.380 semi-auto handgun
-1940's M1 Carbine (.30 caliber) rifle
- AR 15 (556/223 or 300 blackout, etc.)
-.22 Revolver
-.38 Revolver
-Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun

This is a great thought experiment. I don't know a ton about guns but I'd guess the following:

- 9mm semi-auto/striker-fired handgun (Glock, S&W, Ruger, Walther, Sig, etc)
Could be anyone. Super common.

-.45 (1911 style) hammer-fired handgun (Kimber, CZ, Sig, Beretta, etc.)
Increased likelihood of ex-military.

-.380 semi-auto handgun
Again could be anyone.

-1940's M1 Carbine (.30 caliber) rifle
No idea the type who would own an actual 40s M1. Probably an older adult? A rifle in general though would suggest either a hunter or someone (possibly young adult) who couldn't buy a handgun and took the rifle because it's what was accessible.

- AR 15 (556/223 or 300 blackout, etc.)
A "gun enthusiast" who was neither a serious hunter nor a habitual criminal. I'd lean toward a younger perp, under 40, but not committed to that.

-.22 Revolver
Unplanned crime (that is what they had on-hand) OR someone who's cautious about noise and knows their way around a handgun.

-.38 Revolver
Unplanned crime as above; lean toward older perp but I do know younger dudes who conceal carry snub nosed .38s

-Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun
If a "tactical" Mossberg I'd think roughly the same as the AR-15. If a more traditional style I'd think along the same lines as the rifle, but more likely a hunter than someone young just working with what's accessible. [eta I realize there would be no ballistic difference suggesting which of the two it was, but hypothetically i would distinguish between the two this way]

I don't know if this is worth a , like I said my knowledge of guns is pretty limited, but this was my knee-jerk reaction to the question.

For what it's worth, despite the rarity of it in home invasion-style crimes, for some reason I've felt from the start that a hunting-type rifle like a 30-30 or 30.06 (rather than an AR-15 or similar) was the most likely weapon in this case.

 

[Mistermagoo]

I knew he said it was on the right, I don't recall "immediately"? I guess that answers that question.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Kyle+Jaenke+Annis+Complaint.pdf

Top of page 3 of the State of Wisconsin Vs Kyle Jaenke Annis criminal complaint

 

[Mistermagoo]

Thanks! Do you know when these photos were taken? There's no exif data in them.

New door is on the home so it must be pretty recent

 

[girlhasnoname]

on the aunts page it looks like the poster they are asking to be posted in high traffic areas has changed from missing to kidnapped.

That's great. Maybe this will help the rumor mills, rags from speculating she had anything to do with it. Probably not, but hopeful.

 

[The Dude]

The dog is very small. You wouldn’t want her outside alone at night especially in a wooded area. She would be easy prey for wild animals like coyotes so I don’t see anyone having let her outside on her own to do her business for example (maybe they did, who knows?).

If you look at the first image here:
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If you look to the left of the doors, on the power meter - that pink thing is a retractable leash. Also, the left sliding door has a clean spot near the bottom that looks like dog scratching. What looks really strange to me is the right panel. What on earth is that gunky streak all the way down?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just an FYI, I have read it on other sites also. I have also read things on other sites before they were posted here and by all means, they turned out true. But I have also read many more things that turned out to be rumors and were never true. The one great thing about this website is that people work pretty hard to find sources and links for these kind of things, so if it is true I am pretty confident someone on here will find a source.

True, and you have an eagle eye with the best pics,

 

[1987]

This is a great thought experiment. I don't know a ton about guns but I'd guess the following:

- 9mm semi-auto/striker-fired handgun (Glock, S&W, Ruger, Walther, Sig, etc)
Could be anyone. Super common.

-.45 (1911 style) hammer-fired handgun (Kimber, CZ, Sig, Beretta, etc.)
Increased likelihood of ex-military.

-.380 semi-auto handgun
Again could be anyone.

-1940's M1 Carbine (.30 caliber) rifle
No idea the type who would own an actual 40s M1. Probably an older adult? A rifle in general though would suggest either a hunter or someone (possibly young adult) who couldn't buy a handgun and took the rifle because it's what was accessible.

- AR 15 (556/223 or 300 blackout, etc.)
A "gun enthusiast" who was neither a serious hunter nor a habitual criminal. I'd lean toward a younger perp, under 40, but not committed to that.

-.22 Revolver
Unplanned crime (that is what they had on-hand) OR someone who's cautious about noise and knows their way around a handgun.

-.38 Revolver
Unplanned crime as above; lean toward older perp but I do know younger dudes who conceal carry snub nosed .38s

-Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun
If a "tactical" Mossberg I'd think roughly the same as the AR-15. If a more traditional style I'd think along the same lines as the rifle, but more likely a hunter than someone young just working with what's accessible.

I don't know if this is worth a ****, like I said my knowledge of guns is pretty limited, but this was my knee-jerk reaction to the question.

For what it's worth, despite the rarity of it in home invasion-style crimes, for some reason I've felt from the start that a hunting-type rifle like a 30-30 or 30.06 (rather than an AR-15 or similar) was the most likely weapon in this case.

what do you think about each regarding social status, economic status, effort and time to learn and maintain skill for each? likely more male or female, not think a absolute one sex could or could not, just likely over the other and not to just own or be able to use, but chosen for this crime and the situation of this crime?

do we think the FBI keeps any records of previously used type and cal compared to personality? I think so, if not on paper then at least some kind of do in their head, just moo.