WI WI - Joseph Kargol, 32, Mosinee, 3 June 1973

[Claudette]

I was looking for cold case, unsolved, UID, etc webpages for Illinois and Wisconsin and came across this one:

http://marathoncounty.crimestoppersweb.com/custom.aspx?p=3

The second case is a very cold one. Here is the info (picture included in link):

On June 3, 1973, Joseph W. Kargol was found beaten to death outside of Mosinee, WI near the Wisconsin River, in Marathon County. Kargol was last seen at a tavern in Schofield, WI. Kargol, of Rothschild, WI was 32 years old at the time of his death.

If you have any information regarding this case, call the Marathon County Sheriff's Department at 715-261-1200 or Marathon County Crime Stoppers at 800-559-4203

I'm not having much luck finding ANY info on him except for articles I would have to pay for. Anyone else have any luck?

 

[Claudette]

I am able to read this little snippet from newspaperarchives.com but that's it:

"The death of Joseph Kargol of whose body was found on the banks of the Wisconsin River Sunday was ruled a homicide Kargol who would have been 33 Monday lived with his father and was last seen late Saturday at the famil"

 

[Digital Discovery]

I am able to read this little snippet from newspaperarchives.com but that's it:

"The death of Joseph Kargol of whose body was found on the banks of the Wisconsin River Sunday was ruled a homicide Kargol who would have been 33 Monday lived with his father and was last seen late Saturday at the famil"

This case is being re-examined. Here is the latest news article:
http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/Cold-Case--The-Joseph-Kargol-Murder-246952001.html

 

[ablewasiereisawelba]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...mYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ASwEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3884,2795727

The Milwaukee Journal, Oct 27, 1989, page 12:

A couple sought in the slaying of a woman whose nude body was tossed off a cliff in Oregon on Oct. 7 (1989) were arrested late Thursday in a Green Bay (WI) restaurant.

Authorities in Oregon identified the suspects as Randy Charles Bockorny and his wife, Debra Lynn Bockorny, 34. In Oregon, the Clackamas County Sheriff's Department said the two were sought for murder in the death of Deborah Sue Spicer, 27, of Gresham, Ore., a Portland suburb.

The article goes on to state they were seen dumping a nude body of a woman off a cliff. The article says a vehicle sought was a 1976 Ford van with Wisconsin plates. The article also states that Randy Bockorny was from the Antigo area. The woman died of stab wounds and trauma from the fall down the 70 foot cliff.

I'm almost certain the police are aware that Bockorny is in prison and are now concentrating their efforts on John "no middle name or age" Largess


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[Digital Discovery]

The link in my earlier post does mention Randy Bockorney as being one of two suspects in this murder. It also mentions Harold Bean as being a primary investigator. I am familiar with another case in which Harold Bean participated in the investigation and in this other case the investigation ignored physical evidence and relied primarily on circumstantial evidence testified to by witnesses of questionable integrity and veracity. It appears from the news report above that they had no physical evidence to tie Bockorney to this murder, and were not even certain that Kargol had even met Bockorney.

The main "evidence" seemed to be that Bockorney had gotten in a previous fight with someone else, that he was from out of the area, that he might have been at the same bar as Kargol on the night of the murder, and that he had a felony conviction which would make a second conviction easier. This does not seem convincing roof pto me, but it is similar to the methods used by Det. Bean in another case I am reviewing in Marathon County. I had one witness in my other case, who felt his family was being unfairly harassed by Det. Bean, claim that when he questioned Bean about why his family had been singled out for harassment, Bean responded with, "We gotta hang someone."

If Kargol was indeed gay as the investigation seemed to indicate, then it may have been a hate crime, with lots of potential suspects. At that time in Central Wisconsin, there was not very much sympathy towards males of alternative sexual persuasions. The report from WSAW mentioned in my prior link included crime scene videos and a mention that the case file had been given to the reporter for review. An aluminum Coke can is shown but never mentioned and also someone is seen looking at a fingerprint. All these are hopeful signs that this case might actually be solved and the true murderer found. This young man deserves some justice and it appears, now, to be on a better track.

 

[Claudette]

This case is being re-examined. Here is the latest news article:
http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/Cold-Case--The-Joseph-Kargol-Murder-246952001.html

Oh my gosh, thank you! This video is awesome, so so much information!

 

[Claudette]

The link in my earlier post does mention Randy Bockorney as being one of two suspects in this murder. It also mentions Harold Bean as being a primary investigator. I am familiar with another case in which Harold Bean participated in the investigation and in this other case the investigation ignored physical evidence and relied primarily on circumstantial evidence testified to by witnesses of questionable integrity and veracity. It appears from the news report above that they had no physical evidence to tie Bockorney to this murder, and were not even certain that Kargol had even met Bockorney.

The main "evidence" seemed to be that Bockorney had gotten in a previous fight with someone else, that he was from out of the area, that he might have been at the same bar as Kargol on the night of the murder, and that he had a felony conviction which would make a second conviction easier. This does not seem convincing roof pto me, but it is similar to the methods used by Det. Bean in another case I am reviewing in Marathon County. I had one witness in my other case, who felt his family was being unfairly harassed by Det. Bean, claim that when he questioned Bean about why his family had been singled out for harassment, Bean responded with, "We gotta hang someone."

If Kargol was indeed gay as the investigation seemed to indicate, then it may have been a hate crime, with lots of potential suspects. At that time in Central Wisconsin, there was not very much sympathy towards males of alternative sexual persuasions. The report from WSAW mentioned in my prior link included crime scene videos and a mention that the case file had been given to the reporter for review. An aluminum Coke can is shown but never mentioned and also someone is seen looking at a fingerprint. All these are hopeful signs that this case might actually be solved and the true murderer found. This young man deserves some justice and it appears, now, to be on a better track.

Plus, he was found with a board over his head. Usually if a murder victims face is covered, it's because the murderer knew them. They determined the wooden board was not the murder weapon, so I think the intent of it was to "hide" him.

 

[Quoththeraven]

Most, if not all, of the links above are no longer valid. Here are some that might shed new light on the case...

 

[beernut]

Oh my gosh, thank you! This video is awesome, so so much information!

My name is David. I am one of randy bockorny's x brother in laws. I would like to let you know what I have herd about this case and other casses that involved Randy.
Randy was in boys homes from the time he was twelve. His mother's maden name was Kreger, he had three aunts that lived in antigo. Randy's mother lived in Florida. Randy was raised by one of his aunts in antigo. This aunt was very wealthy. She was co owner of one of antigo's largest sand and gravel companies. She spoiled him. One other aunt was co owner of langlade county's largest cigarette and candy distributor. The last aunt was owner of a motel in antigo and his mother owned a apartment complex in Florida. Kroger was a BIG name in antigo and had a lot of pull over the corrupt county including the police department.
When Randy was released from the boys home he met up with my oldest brother. Together they were trouble everywhere they went.
Shortly after Randy and my brother got together, they robbed Randy's uncle's house (he was a doctor in the area) They stole a gun.
They enjoyed going to the bars and beating on the less fortunate. They tried to shoot a man that night but the gun miss fired. They left the parking lot and whent to the truck stop and shot it up. They were stoped by shawano county and returned to langlade county.
My brother testified for the state and was not charged but Randy was sentenced to thirteen months.
Before his time was up he escaped. After a time he was located and arrested. He was given five years. Shortly before his MR (mandatory release) he escaped a second time. I think this time he was on the loose for eighteen months. He was given i think it was sevin more years. This is Randy's background.
Most of these people have long past.
Randy is a black belt. He loved going to the bar, picking a victim and beting them nearly to death. He would do this were there would be no witnesses.
I heard there were two murders around the this time you are talking about.
One was in antigo. I heard, Randy left the bar with this man, went to this man's house, hit him in the back of his head with a lamp and killed him. At the time Randy was questioned about this he had this man's tv in his apartment. He told the police that the victim gave it to him. No charges no case.
Now the murder you are talking about. I again heard Randy left the bar with this man headed to wausau. He got this unexpected victim to pull off the road so they could take a leak. At this time, I was told he hit this man in the back of the head with a branch and killed him. I do believe this man had a van Randy also took.
Randy needed no reason, he just liked hurting people.
I also heard that when Randy was arrested in Florida for escape, he had this man's drivers license in his pocket. No charges no case.
Now when Randy was arrested in brown County by the FBI, langlade county convinced the FBI to take temporary custody of the van Randy and his wife used in the murder in Oregon. At this time the van was moved by langlade county police to antigo county impound yard. It was full of evidence from the Oregon murder. While in custody of antigo's impound yard it was stolen and burned.

I do believe Randy is responsible for this murder. I do not have proof. I do know langlade county is crooked.
I am convinced you will never know just what happened. If langlade county had evidence, I'm sure it is lost. Sorry for your loss

 

[Quoththeraven]

My name is David. I am one of randy bockorny's x brother in laws. I would like to let you know what I have herd about this case and other casses that involved Randy.
Randy was in boys homes from the time he was twelve. His mother's maden name was Kreger, he had three aunts that lived in antigo. Randy's mother lived in Florida. Randy was raised by one of his aunts in antigo. This aunt was very wealthy. She was co owner of one of antigo's largest sand and gravel companies. She spoiled him. One other aunt was co owner of langlade county's largest cigarette and candy distributor. The last aunt was owner of a motel in antigo and his mother owned a apartment complex in Florida. Kroger was a BIG name in antigo and had a lot of pull over the corrupt county including the police department.
When Randy was released from the boys home he met up with my oldest brother. Together they were trouble everywhere they went.
Shortly after Randy and my brother got together, they robbed Randy's uncle's house (he was a doctor in the area) They stole a gun.
They enjoyed going to the bars and beating on the less fortunate. They tried to shoot a man that night but the gun miss fired. They left the parking lot and whent to the truck stop and shot it up. They were stoped by shawano county and returned to langlade county.
My brother testified for the state and was not charged but Randy was sentenced to thirteen months.
Before his time was up he escaped. After a time he was located and arrested. He was given five years. Shortly before his MR (mandatory release) he escaped a second time. I think this time he was on the loose for eighteen months. He was given i think it was sevin more years. This is Randy's background.
Most of these people have long past.
Randy is a black belt. He loved going to the bar, picking a victim and beting them nearly to death. He would do this were there would be no witnesses.
I heard there were two murders around the this time you are talking about.
One was in antigo. I heard, Randy left the bar with this man, went to this man's house, hit him in the back of his head with a lamp and killed him. At the time Randy was questioned about this he had this man's tv in his apartment. He told the police that the victim gave it to him. No charges no case.
Now the murder you are talking about. I again heard Randy left the bar with this man headed to wausau. He got this unexpected victim to pull off the road so they could take a leak. At this time, I was told he hit this man in the back of the head with a branch and killed him. I do believe this man had a van Randy also took.
Randy needed no reason, he just liked hurting people.
I also heard that when Randy was arrested in Florida for escape, he had this man's drivers license in his pocket. No charges no case.
Now when Randy was arrested in brown County by the FBI, langlade county convinced the FBI to take temporary custody of the van Randy and his wife used in the murder in Oregon. At this time the van was moved by langlade county police to antigo county impound yard. It was full of evidence from the Oregon murder. While in custody of antigo's impound yard it was stolen and burned.

I do believe Randy is responsible for this murder. I do not have proof. I do know langlade county is crooked.
I am convinced you will never know just what happened. If langlade county had evidence, I'm sure it is lost. Sorry for your loss

Bockorny and his wife Debra were sentenced to prison for five murders and other felonies in Oregon, so authorities won't try very hard to have him charged for Kargol's murder here in Wisconsin even if he's a suspect. It appears he got out of prison and is now living in Florida.

State v. Bockorny

State v. Bockorny (866 P.2d 1230,125 Or. App. 479), filed at Oregon

case-law.vlex.com

https://www.instantcheckmate.com/people/randy-bockorny/