WI WI - Kelly Nolan, 22, Madison, 23 June 2007 #1

[MysteryAddict]

It says he TOOK a polygraph, not that he passed a polygraph.
I haven't seen anywhere that he passed a polygraph.

OH.........that's true. Maybe the results were questionable and that's the reason they took DNA and also searched his home and car!

 

[BethInAK]

Does anyone know how polygraphs work? Does LE tell you right away whether you have passed or not?

If LE was smart they'd probably tell you that it took a while to interpret the results while they worked on their investigation.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Fox reporting on Kelly next, Shep said. I didn't hear it exactly, but didn't sound like anything new.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

You are correct. I revised that post. It doesn't say anywhere he passed it! :waitasec:

So, is he cleared as as suspect?

 

[JimNikki]

I have since changed my thoughts on the Cafe Guy. I'm no longer sure there was ever a second guy. Is that what you are saying?

I'm not saying there wasn't a second guy, just saying that it appears Cafe Guy was with her all night until they were walking home which was less than a mile from Lava Lounge. Although there is no reports of it, it's possible it really happened the way he said...and the missing pieces are that the second individual (who supposedly knew Kelly) and she decided to continue partying that night...hopped in that individuals car (it has been reported Kelly didn't have one) & went to an 'after bar' party or a gathering outside of the downtown area. Partying doesn't end when the bars close.

Walking her home doesn't mean that's where she was going or even wanted to go...but again, apparently the police already knew the Cafe Guy story prior to asking the public for help.

 

[fran]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/p...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

Autopsy Results Expected in Case of Missing College Student

Last Edited: Tuesday, 10 Jul 2007, 2:35 PM EDT

The autopsy report on a body (video: MyFoxMilwaukee) found in Dane County, Wis., could be released soon

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So, is he cleared as as suspect?

I don't think so since they said they were going to reinterview people because the status of this case has changed.

 

[ella's mom]

I'm not saying there wasn't a second guy, just saying that it appears Cafe Guy was with her all night until they were walking home which was less than a mile from Lava Lounge. Although there is no reports of it, it's possible it really happened the way he said...and the missing pieces are that the second individual (who supposedly knew Kelly) and she decided to continue partying that night...hopped in that individuals car (it has been reported Kelly didn't have one) & went to an 'after bar' party or a gathering outside of the downtown area. Partying doesn't end when the bars close.

Walking her home doesn't mean that's where she was going or even wanted to go...but again, apparently the police already knew the Cafe Guy story prior to asking the public for help.

Do you know if Cafe Guy was just a buddy she ran into and hung out with, or if there was an attraction there? On her part or his.

 

[BethInAK]

Do you know if Cafe Guy was just a buddy she ran into and hung out with, or if there was an attraction there? On her part or his.

Cafe Guy says they weren't close friends but aquaintances. No discussion of attraction. My initial instinct was that she agreed to let Cafe Guy walk her home reluctantly - because she's too nice to blow him off, but then when an "out" appeared, she jumped on it.

But now I'm not sure. The Occams Razor applies - and Cafe Guy is the simplest solution.

 

[JimNikki]

So, is he cleared as as suspect?

The way this case has been handled, who knows. IMO - nobody should be cleared as the investigation prior to the body being found wasn't being done with foul play in mind. As such, if there was no suspicion of foul play at the time of the poly, it stands to reason that the line of questions would not focus on foul play to the extent they may, say, when they believe there is evidence to suggest it...which, if actions speak louder than the words they refused to give out, to the investigators meant a body. Until that time, it was 'just' a missing persons case.

A poly's accuracy is generally referred to as "a level greater than chance, yet short of perfection." so passing it or failing it would not be enough for a conviction anyway IMO.

DNA? It would seem logical that they would do that for anyone last seen with her for post comparison to that @ the 'scene'...just in case they were wrong and foul play was a factor. Doesn't prove innocence or guilt without a crime. To get a crime, you need foul play.

See the pattern? Limited resources+the desire not to relive the past+a ton of tips to investigate+the wrong core theory as the basis for investigating in a case where time is of the essence would reasonably create (and explain) the illogical twists & turns of this case from day 1...IMO.

Although I have to wonder what good news* they gave the family prior to July 4 that had them so optimistic that she would be found safe and sound (and subsequently re-enforced the irresponsible party girl image in many peoples minds - hampering real efforts to find her). On the surface, that alone is proof investigators were looking in the wrong place, and further proof that they weren't lying when they said they didn't believe foul play was an isssue...IMO of course.

*http://www.madison.com/tct/news/200116

 

[JimNikki]

Timeline of Events...

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/nolan//index.php?ntid=200661

Note the first "key" event. Give me a break.

More importantly, look at the key events from the 24th-28th. Standard procedure? Police released the CrimeStoppers information request, to the best of my knowledge, the 27th.

 

[fran]

Cafe Guy says they weren't close friends but aquaintances. No discussion of attraction. My initial instinct was that she agreed to let Cafe Guy walk her home reluctantly - because she's too nice to blow him off, but then when an "out" appeared, she jumped on it.

But now I'm not sure. The Occams Razor applies - and Cafe Guy is the simplest solution.

Well, yesterday they did say they were going to re-interview people. Bet the Cafe Guy is sweating it, whether he did this or not!:bang:

JMHO
fran

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There could have been an attraction on her part. The friends with her would have been privy to that or to other males she was showing an interest in at that particular bar anyway. Girls talk.

 

[JimNikki]

UNCONFIRMED INFORMATION Post From Facebook Group:

Amy X wrote
at 8:10pm
My sister and my mom were at that bar the same night Kelly disappeared. And this really creepy guy kept hitting on her, and she got really freaked out. So my sister called her boyfriend, and he came to get them, but he got a picture of this guy, and it was just turned over to the police this morning. Maybe there's a connection. I hope so.

(Last name X'd out by me.)

Note: The "her" referenced to in this is the sister, not Kelly (IMO). Almost didn't post this because it opens up a can of worms, but...maybe someone else might remember something.

 

[Jaded]

UNCONFIRMED INFORMATION Post From Facebook Group:

***** [edit] wrote
at 8:10pm
My sister and my mom were at that bar the same night Kelly disappeared. And this really creepy guy kept hitting on her, and she got really freaked out. So my sister called her boyfriend, and he came to get them, but he got a picture of this guy, and it was just turned over to the police this morning. Maybe there's a connection. I hope so.

(Last name X'd out by me.)

Note: The "her" referenced to in this is the sister, not Kelly. Almost didn't post this because it opens up a can of worms, but...

A picture? I wonder if it was taken by cell phone? Interesting. Thanks for posting that.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The only "person" they said they have cleared was the man from the sketch. (Note*They did not say if he was real or not...but no longer considered a POI or a suspect and has been cleared.)

The reason they never came forward to say they suspected "Foul Play" is there was no evidence yet to support it. Even if they believed it...they needed something to point that way besides her vanishing before they were willing to say it publically. It doesn't surprise me they never said it up until the body was found. We are going to see more and more of this from LE. No more "suspects, pois, foul play, etc." in their vocabulary. It only means they feel they are being 'sneaky' and the actual perp won't know. :::rolling eyes::: (I guess some perps are that stupid!)

Although I have to wonder what good news* they gave the family prior to July 4 that had them so optimistic that she would be found safe and sound (and subsequently re-enforced the irresponsible party girl image in many peoples minds - hampering real efforts to find her). *http://www.madison.com/tct/news/200116

I think the "news" could have been the cell phone pings. The perp could have had her cell, even charged it, and used it...making them think she was still alive somewhere. It is a long shot, but it could have hampered them decifering all the towers and places after they did obtain the records having to go back to figure it out. They did say there were many areas they were drawn to search besides where they found the body. I took this to mean from the "cell phone technology", as he put it.

I would like to know the answer to this question, too. I keep wondering what happened during that period which gave them so much false hope. Did it give LE false hope, too? Or did they just let the family believe it?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Drunk 20-something males act that way. They become "bulletproof" and can't imagine why a girl wouldn't be falling head over heels for their unwanted advances. I blame it on too much alcohol, too much testosterone, and very little brains.

It is good they turned it in to LE, but that guy is a dime a dozen, IMO. The girl was smart to call her BF and he was smart to get the pic (which I would bet is a cell phone pic). I wouldn't hold my breath it had anything to do with Kelly tho. That clown was too over the top for a girl that was used to being in the bar scene.

 

[cheko1]

Anything is possible. There could be another COB out there somewhere.

Lord have mercy on us all if there is!!! :slap:

 

[JimNikki]

The reason they never came forward to say they suspected "Foul Play" is there was no evidence yet to support it. Even if they believed it...they needed something to point that way besides her vanishing before they were willing to say it publically. It doesn't surprise me they never said it up until the body was found. We are going to see more and more of this from LE. No more "suspects, pois, foul play, etc." in their vocabulary. It only means they feel they are being 'sneaky' and the actual perp won't know. :::rolling eyes::: (I guess some perps are that stupid!)

I think the "news" could have been the cell phone pings. The perp could have had her cell, even charged it, and used it...making them think she was still alive somewhere. It is a long shot, but it could have hampered them decifering all the towers and places after they did obtain the records having to go back to figure it out. They did say there were many areas they were drawn to search besides where they found the body. I took this to mean from the "cell phone technology", as he put it.

I would like to know the answer to this question, too. I keep wondering what happened during that period which gave them so much false hope. Did it give LE false hope, too? Or did they just let the family believe it?

Interesting. Thanks for the reply. Regarding the foul play issue, if true, that is a sad thing. Imagine the effort to find her that could've been created (if the body is in fact Kelly) had the media not been left to focus on why she 'probably' wasn't really missing & instead just didn't want to be found...the very impression they gave them to work with.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There will be plenty of finger pointing after this case is hopefully brought to trial and closed. LE is going to get their lion's share, I have no doubt. The thing is...Law Enforcement Agencies are the only people who do not have to defend what they do...right or wrong. Even if their mistakes cost lives...they don't have to acknowledge it or account for those mistakes in any way with the public or families. They can toss their hands up and simply say, "Oh, well..we thought we were doing the right thing with what we had to work with.".