WI WI - LAKE GENEVA SUITCASE MURDERS, Laura Simonson & Jenny Gamez - #1

[cheko1]

I agree - a good psychiatrist will pick up on ex gf saying he was "extreme" - he turned into the perfect bf after that - (kind and giving flowers) - very sociopath. Probably didn't act and push the issue because she was living there with her children. They became roommates.

Then he targeted women that were vulnerable, (foster care, children removed) who he thought would have fewer connections and fewer resources.

On the "extreme" note - serial killers become more and more extreme to reach the desired level of sexual satisfaction. A worthy psychiatrist could speak to that.

I am so happy that Laura's family & friends never gave up trying to bring her home! Amongst the misery they're going thru, I sincerely hope they realize they spared many women the same fate as Laura.

I still think there are many more women he has killed. These were not the first! JMO

 

[Cubby]

It looks like the police department is trying to downplay the incident with the woman (alleged prostitute) in 2001. A new version of the story was released yesterday that is very different from earlier versions.

http://fox11online.com/2014/06/27/zelich-resigned-after-argument-with-prostitute/


Here is a report of the incident from 2 days ago: http://www.wisn.com/news/former-police-officer-arrested-in-suitcase-homicides/26658154#!5fGX3


This is very worrisome to me. The "old boys" network up to its old tricks. I hope they are not going to try to downplay the fact that this man murdered two woman and possibly many more.

Imo, WAPD is trying to distance themselves from the similiarities/mistakes in the 2001 case and the mistakes milwaukee pd made in the Dahmer case. I've wondered about the possibility of LS's family filing a wrongful death or similiar law suit against WAPD. I will always wonder if theese two women's deaths could have been prevented had SZ been prosecuted and registered as a sexual predator. Now we have two dead women and several motherless children.

 

[Just_Simply_Red]

If this is the case why the HECK didn't she call the cops???


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I didn't tell because this is just what he had told me. What am I supposed to do? Call the cops and say "Oh, hey, my ex said he kept a women in a cage, would let her out to eat and use the bathroom, and then when her mother got sick, he let her go?"
Really, what they've done was between them. What people don't understand are that some things are consensual. Just because somebody likes to be spanked and somebody likes to do the spanking, are we going to call the cops and report that as well?
I had no proof, no evidence. He was always kind to me. Showed nothing of being a sadistic man. Sure, there was a folded up dog crate but I don't know she was in that. He may have had a dog at some point.

 

[Cubby]

Why didn't he call authorities after each one? Cause he used to be a cop & knew...

....... and he kept the toys on the bodies as if they were frozen trophies. Sick evil monster. I hope he is in th GP.

 

[Roselvr]

....... and he kept the toys on the bodies as if they were frozen trophies. Sick evil monster. I hope he is in th GP.

Yeah; very sick!!!

 

[Migmuu]

We know she was abused; but was she sexually abused or recently had sex before found? I would think that they would soon know if he's responsible for her murder with all of the new testing they did.

Yes. The autopsy showed that Racine Doe had been sexually abused and there was ''trauma to her pubic region''

 

[ClaireNC]

This story has been on the local news here as Jenny Gamez is from Oregon. She grew up in the Foster care system and it sounds like her friends lost track of her after high school. No mention of her child. You can hear their comments at the end of this news video.

http://www.kezi.com/oakridge-mom-linked-to-murder-suspect/

There was discussion of her here last night starting at about post #542.

 

[cheko1]

I didn't tell because this is just what he had told me. What am I supposed to do? Call the cops and say "Oh, hey, my ex said he kept a women in a cage, would let her out to eat and use the bathroom, and then when her mother got sick, he let her go?"
Really, what they've done was between them. What people don't understand are that some things are consensual. Just because somebody likes to be spanked and somebody likes to do the spanking, are we going to call the cops and report that as well?
I had no proof, no evidence. He was always kind to me. Showed nothing of being a sadistic man. Sure, there was a folded up dog crate but I don't know she was in that. He may have had a dog at some point.

Welcome to WS!!!

I would of called LE if someone told me they had kept a lady in a cage for 7 years. If for no other reason then to let someone else know, in case something happened to me. Its better to be embarrassed by making a phone call to 911 then it is to not make the call & someone die!

That is the same mistake Milwaukee police made with Jeffrey Dahmer.

 

[JezyUn]

Welcome to WS!!!

I would of called LE if someone told me they had kept a lady in a cage for 7 years. If for no other reason then to let someone else know, in case something happened to me. Its better to be embarrassed by making a phone call to 911 then it is to not make the call & someone die!

That is the same mistake Milwaukee police made with Jeffrey Dahmer.

Exactly. For all anyone knows he could have killed that person too.

 

[Rudolf]

I didn't tell because this is just what he had told me. What am I supposed to do? Call the cops and say "Oh, hey, my ex said he kept a women in a cage, would let her out to eat and use the bathroom, and then when her mother got sick, he let her go?"
Really, what they've done was between them. What people don't understand are that some things are consensual. Just because somebody likes to be spanked and somebody likes to do the spanking, are we going to call the cops and report that as well?
I had no proof, no evidence. He was always kind to me. Showed nothing of being a sadistic man. Sure, there was a folded up dog crate but I don't know she was in that. He may have had a dog at some point.

I realize that you want to respect lifestyle choices. But there are bad people out there, and he is one of them. You don't have to respect bad people and their choices. He told you who he really is. He is a man who kept other human beings in cages for years. When people tell you who they are, and they always do, you need to listen and take it seriously. He might, and that is the operative word, might, have been using you and your children to send the illusion of normalcy to the rest of the world. I am so very glad you didn't come to any harm.

 

[Migmuu]

In Just_Simply_Red's defense, we don't know if what Zelich told her is even true. There was no proof; it's not like she saw a pool of blood or even the woman herself in that dog crate and just ignored it like nothing even happened. If the police didn't take the report of a handcuffed woman trying to escape from his home, they certainly wouldn't take a report about the slave story seriously.

I'm not buying the ''I kept a slave for seven years'' story. Not unless some evidence of it comes to light. It's probably something he read in some BDSM story and got turned on by, took the story as his own and told his then-roommate about because he thought it'd turn her on too ... or something.

ETA: Then there's the whole issue of intimidation. One article said she had become so scared of Zelich that she ordered a U-haul truck and moved out without his knowledge while he was at work. If it were me, I'd be terrified that Zelich was stalking me and, if I told, would try to ''get back'' at me for telling the authorities about the story he told me. I probably would've contacted LE about the story anyway, but a lot of people would understandably be scared and wouldn't tell anyone - especially if they had children like Just_Simply_Red did.

 

[usa123]

New to here and live very close to SZ. Wanted to point out that if the date of purchase is found on the freezer, they could possibly get an idea of whether or not the deaths were premeditated or when any possible other murders started. It seems the sole purpose of the freezer was to store the bodies. Just a thought.

 

[Judy]

Just Simply Red
Rather than you see this as blaming the victim, I hope you see it as educational. What were the red flags? You said, he was “extreme” and you said there were different types of bondage items hanging from the cage. Please consider you were a victim just like the women who lost their lives.

For whatever reason, you became the “Madonna” – and he was “kind” and brought you flowers. It could be that your children were present – NOT something he generally goes for. He’s an on-line predator who preys upon women WITHOUT children PRESENT in their lives. You said the relationship turned to “friendship” – I’m assuming non-sexual, which may have been your saving grace.

Like a good sociopath, he showered you with kindness and flowers. That doesn’t quite match the profile of a man who keeps women in his basement, in a cage for 7 years. And, this is very different from someone who likes to spank – may have been another red flag.

Let’s take these red flags and learn from them. You won’t be able to heal from this if you won’t forgive yourself and learn about sadomasochism. You are not being blamed here – just hoping for consensual enlightenment to help prevent torture and death in the future.

 

[Judy]

I realize that you want to respect lifestyle choices. But there are bad people out there, and he is one of them. You don't have to respect bad people and their choices. He told you who he really is. He is a man who kept other human beings in cages for years. When people tell you who they are, and they always do, you need to listen and take it seriously. He might, and that is the operative word, might, have been using you and your children to send the illusion of normalcy to the rest of the world. I am so very glad you didn't come to any harm.

I was thinking this, too.

 

[Cubby]

In Just_Simply_Red's defense, we don't know if what Zelich told her is even true. There was no proof; it's not like she saw a pool of blood or even the woman herself in that dog crate and just ignored it like nothing even happened. If the police didn't take the report of a handcuffed woman trying to escape from his home, they certainly wouldn't take a report about the slave story seriously.

I'm not buying the ''I kept a slave for seven years'' story. Not unless some evidence of it comes to light. It's probably something he read in some BDSM story and got turned on by, took the story as his own and told his then-roommate about because he thought it'd turn her on too ... or something.

ETA: Then there's the whole issue of intimidation. One article said she had become so scared of Zelich that she ordered a U-haul truck and moved out without his knowledge while he was at work. If it were me, I'd be terrified that Zelich was stalking me and, if I told, would try to ''get back'' at me for telling the authorities about the story he told me. I probably would've contacted LE about the story anyway, but a lot of people would understandably be scared and wouldn't tell anyone - especially if they had children like Just_Simply_Red did.

My impression/initial thought was he told the story about keeping an ex in a cage in order to see if the response was favorable or not. Had the response been favorable the relationship probably would have gone in that direction. When the response was not favorable it fizzled out because it wasn't what he was looking for.

While I agree he might have kept them around fot the appearance of normalcy, had a police report been attempted, she would have been laughed at without any evidence of a crime.

 

[OkieGranny]

This is addressed to no one in particular, but please let's not pile on Just Simply Red.

Having someone here on the forum who can offer personal insight into the personality and behavior of a perp — especially a serial killer, as I believe Zelich to be — is a rare and valuable circumstance. Please don't run her off.

 

[DeeAnn]

I didn't tell because this is just what he had told me. What am I supposed to do? Call the cops and say "Oh, hey, my ex said he kept a women in a cage, would let her out to eat and use the bathroom, and then when her mother got sick, he let her go?"
Really, what they've done was between them. What people don't understand are that some things are consensual. Just because somebody likes to be spanked and somebody likes to do the spanking, are we going to call the cops and report that as well?
I had no proof, no evidence. He was always kind to me. Showed nothing of being a sadistic man. Sure, there was a folded up dog crate but I don't know she was in that. He may have had a dog at some point.

Thanks for joining the conversation and sharing your story. I'm really glad you and your children were never hurt. What about him made you move out in secret and avoid all contact from him? The story he told and the stuff in the basement? Was it a feeling that something was really wrong? Did you believe his story and feel it was consensual? How was your relationship when dating, before just friends?

I know this must be really difficult to learn what's happened and how close you were in the past. And probably difficult to share.

 

[necco]

Just_Simply_Red,
I'm glad you're safe and your children were not harmed.

People questioning J_S_R,
Some people voluntarily live in cages. They like it. We don't have to understand it, but it happens. I could never imagine being a submissive but I have a friend who is one. It makes my skin crawl, but it makes her happy. It sounds like J_S_R had no indication it was anything other than consensual or she'd have bolted and called the cops. Let's stop bashing a woman who had a LOT of courage to come on here, join, and share with us.

 

[cheko1]

I didn't tell because this is just what he had told me. What am I supposed to do? Call the cops and say "Oh, hey, my ex said he kept a women in a cage, would let her out to eat and use the bathroom, and then when her mother got sick, he let her go?"
Really, what they've done was between them. What people don't understand are that some things are consensual. Just because somebody likes to be spanked and somebody likes to do the spanking, are we going to call the cops and report that as well?
I had no proof, no evidence. He was always kind to me. Showed nothing of being a sadistic man. Sure, there was a folded up dog crate but I don't know she was in that. He may have had a dog at some point.

Please know I wasn't being critical of you.....I honestly mean that.

Anything I post is just my opinion. If my post offended you I am sorry. It wasn't meant too.

If we had insert foot into mouth icon I'd use it now.

 

[Rudolf]

So, any updates on Jenny Gamez?