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UnlicensedPI said:
I wonder if "Ma Isabel" is a shortened version of "Maria Isabel"
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Yes. It used to be that every baptized child was given the prefix Maria or Joseph.

The name Emiliano is actually fairly common. Emilio is even more common in Texas. Hubby has the following Emilios in his family: maternal grandfather, paternal uncle, maternal uncle, paternal cousin. I think Emilio is a shortened version of Emiliano.

The cousin had a long history of getting in trouble with the law. He used Emiliano as an assumed name.

Everyone calls the Mexican revolutionary, Emilo Zapata, even though his name was Emiliano Zapata.
 
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If anyone subscribes to ancestry...Emiliano Velez was apparently married in NYC. Since I don't subscribe I don't have access to any details. 13 Sep 1927-28 January 1971. His full name is Emiliano Velez y Gonzalez. He is born in Puerto Rico.

He has two daughters listed in his obituary. (I cannot access his obituary because I don't subscribe to genealogy bank)
He is buried at St Adalbert's Cemetery in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. (Near the airport)
He resided about 1/2 mile or so from Jones Island. (Along with the rest of the PR community)


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Emilio Velez (1927-1971) - Find a Grave Memorial
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I think she probably resided in the same community near Jones Island where Emiliano Velez resided.

Jones Island is as creepy AF. I think she committed suicide. (Or it was a drug deal, but she certainly doesn't fit the profile, so I'm sticking with suicide)
Back in 1974, the Bridge to Nowhere had stalled but it was built over the site where she went in the water at Pier 5. It was all industrial then and hasn't changed. The island is segregated from the neighborhoods south of the island via busy roads and freight trains. The odds are she would not have just wandered drunkenly over there.

I don't believe his standing in the Puerto Rican community was significant to this case (If he had been married to the our Jane Doe) I can't find the article where it mentions him. I can't find any articles about him. He was probably more of an activist rather a community leader. Activists like to give other activists awards. (take it with a grain of salt) Activists can also "go off the grid".
If someone has that article, could you screenshot and share it?


I still have no idea if this is her Emiliano.

I kinda lean toward her being from Mexico.

In 1953, the Native American population was in the northern part of the state, while the Mexican-American population was in the South Milwaukee/Racine area. So, I don't know how likely they would have gotten together.

My dad is from Carrollville, near South Milwaukee. (A now defunct company town owned by a glue factory. )
I could never bring myself to drive over the Bridge to Nowhere. I saw it under construction for so long, that I was like.."No...Heck No! "
 

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carbuff said:
Has anybody sent all this information to the investigators? It looks like a clue they need to at least rule out.
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I sent the Mexican records to the forensic investigator a while back. She was receptive but indicated she wondered why a woman from Mexico would travel to Milwaukee. She also had trouble with that land document. I'm not sure if her research went any further.
 
UnlicensedPI said:
I sent the Mexican records to the forensic investigator a while back. She was receptive but indicated she wondered why a woman from Mexico would travel to Milwaukee. She also had trouble with that land document. I'm not sure if her research went any further.
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What???

Maybe she had family there....duh....

There were plenty of Mexican-Americans in South Milwaukee where my dad grew up. (He was born in 1929) Most were from Texas. There were also migrant workers who worked in South Wisconsin in Racine County.

Hispanic/Latinos in Wisconsin: History
 
Friday Fan said:
What???

Maybe she had family there....duh....

There were plenty of Mexican-Americans in South Milwaukee where my dad grew up. (He was born in 1929) Most were from Texas. There were also migrant workers who worked in South Wisconsin in Racine County.

Hispanic/Latinos in Wisconsin: History
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Yeah, it was an odd comment...It came across like it hadn't occurred to her that the Doe could have been a resident of Milwaukee and that she wasn't traveling.
 
necco and webrocket posted this information about
Emiliano Velez from Puerto Rico years ago (except
for the gravesite picture, which is probably the correct
Emiliano Velez despite the mis-spelling), the problem
is what it has always been - i.e. we have no-one in
Milwaukee willing to pay for a copy of a divorce
certificate to confirm Emiliano Velez's wife's
name [MysticJynx's finding] & go and knock on
several possible relatives doors [Coffee56 findings].
If the 'W Vilter Ln' address females name matches with
whatever females name is on the divorce certificate,
that also might be useful information to know even if
none of her relatives currently live there - as the 3
keys found with the body may still match door(s)
at that address (e.g. front screen door, front door,
back door, basement door) as its an old 1911 built,
not particularly improved, one storey house with
lodgings in its basement (two or three families
could have been living there in the 1970's).

I don't expect the Milwaukee County Medical
Examiner's staff to play private detective with weak
information, that's not their function. The Mexico
lady angle seemed to be a less likely avenue of
enquiry to me anyway - seems the likliest avenue
of enquiry is to identfy the divorce certificate
name, then find out which address from several
possibilities where that female names relatives
actually live now and then pass that to the M.E. .
 
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buyerninety said:
necco and webrocket posted this information about
Emiliano Velez from Puerto Rico years ago (except
for the gravesite picture, which is probably the correct
Emiliano Velez despite the mis-spelling), the problem
is what it has always been - i.e. we have no-one in
Milwaukee willing to pay for a copy of a divorce
certificate to confirm Emiliano Velez's wife's
name [MysticJynx's finding] & go and knock on
several possible relatives doors [Coffee56 findings].
If the 'W Vilter Ln' address females name matches with
whatever females name is on the divorce certificate,
that also might be useful information to know even if
none of her relatives currently live there - as the 3
keys found with the body may still match door(s)
at that address (e.g. front screen door, front door,
basement door) as its an old 1911 built, not
particularly improved, one storey house with
lodgings in its basement (two or three families
could have been living there in the 1970's).

I don't expect the Milwaukee County Medical
Examiner's staff to play private detective with weak
information, that's not their function. The Mexico
lady angle seemed to be a less likely avenue of
enquiry to me anyway - seems the likliest avenue
of enquiry is to identfy the divorce certificate
name, then find out which address from several
possibilities where that female names relatives
actually live now and then pass that to the M.E. .
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I think if someone subscribes to Ancestry, they may be able to obtain Emiliano's marriage date. It's on a public family tree. If it is the same date as the ring, then I think we've hit the jackpot.

The names Emilio and Emiliano are used interchangeably.

I can't knock on doors. I'm in Texas.
 
The woman whose address was posted is unrelated to the man whose grave was posted. She is only in her 50's and would have been a child when he died.

However, the family of Emilio posted above can be found on Facebook...But I suspect he is not the only Emilio in the area and we have no indication any aspect of his life matches up with the date on the ring. I'm not sure why he was posted about. Just because of his first name or was there a stronger connection?
 
UnlicensedPI said:
Her Independent Lock Co key is from Fitchburg, MA. The company closed in the 70s. Her jacket was also manufactured in Boston. I don't know how far outside Boston these items could have traveled. If they stayed close to the area, it could be where she was living before making her way out to WI.
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What do you mean about the key?

Did they mass produce and send them all over the country? Or were they more local.

I don't know beans about keys!
 
MadMcGoo said:
I was away from the Internet for a few months of you all’s search. I have an Ancestry membership, just let me know what I need to check!
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Someone went on a rabbit hole about an Emiliano Velez who died in in Milwaukee. (You know because his name was Emiliano..LOL)
Emiliano Velez who died in January 1971 in Milwaukee. He was born in Sept 1927. He was born in Puerto Rico.
If you want to see who and when he married I guess it would be helpful. Did he get married on

1-28-1953?​

I believe he married in NYC....
 
Friday Fan said:
Someone went on a rabbit hole about an Emiliano Velez who died in in Milwaukee. (You know because his name was Emiliano..LOL)
Emiliano Velez who died in January 1971 in Milwaukee. He was born in Sept 1927. He was born in Puerto Rico.
If you want to see who and when he married I guess it would be helpful. Did he get married on

1-28-1953?​

I believe he married in NYC....
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Not the one we’re looking for.

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necco said:
I saw the AIDS patronage, but I disregarded it due to the date the UID was found. The first recognized AIDS death in the US was in 1980, so I don't think that particular patronage is relevant.

I wish in these cases that they'd take pictures of the markings on the jewelry. If the religious medal is gold, the markings and the carats could give an idea where it was manufactured.

Gonzaga University is also named after St. Aloysius. While you are correct that he is the patron saint of teenagers, I'm far more inclined personally to think there is a Jesuit connection as there are several more popular saints that have teens and students as their patronage. I've never know anyone who wore a St. Aloysius medal and I spent more time than I care to acknowledge in Catholic school. ;)

I agree that her profile screams Native American. The Jesuits were very active (and still are to a great extent) with the indigenous populations of the Americas and had settled in Wisconsin as early as 1667.

The thing that made me think she wasn't Native was the date on the ring, but doesn't the groom usually purchase the wife's ring? In which case, it could just indicate that her husband was from Europe.
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Her death predates AIDS. What about polio? Could she have been a caregiver or have battled polio herself?
 
Giuc0 said:
Also, she wore a top full denture. Source: https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/7792/Images/29101/Original

The crutches belonging to her along with the top denture don't shock me. It suggests to me that UID has health issues with teeth, which can be connected with joint issues.
My first though is a rare disease called Ehlers–Danlos syndromes - Wikipedia
I'm not a doctor, but from what I found on Wikipedia is that osteoarthritis and joint dislocation are possible complications.
Patients with EDS may need crutches, even a wheelchair, and needing dentures because of digestive complications (gastroparesis is a possible one, watched a patient's video affected by EDS digestive & joint complications to the point she is fed by TPN, Total Parenteral Nutrition. She also needs to catheterise herself for urinating, mind you! I don't know if such YT link is allowed, so will ask to staff right away).

Also, in the "Management" paragraph on the same Wikipedia page:



IMHO, we can not exclude a systemic illness without a proper diagnosis, as precise as we can have now. EHD genetic diagnosis was available only after 1997 (source: Wikipedia).

So, when looking at MP reports of the era, do not expect to find "Ehlers-Danlos syndrome" in the report!
Because it's very unlikely reported under such name in the "Medical" paragraph.


ETA: I am a patient classified as having a rare disease per my doctors, which explains why I focus a lot on details leading to the rare possibility.
If it's right, great.
If it's wrong, it's ok because we have closed a doubt.
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Hello, fellow spoonie @Giuc0 ! Just wanting to add that Lyme Disease and tick-borne illnesses were and are prevalent in Wisconsin at her TOD. However, Lyme Disease and most TBDs hadn't hit medical journals yet in the U.S. But Lyme Disease and/or tick-borne coinfections include all of the ones of ED and then some. (Many Lymie's started out with a dx of ED, RA, etc. Just something else to consider. Also, with or without treatment (more often with delayed treatment), LD can progress very rapidly, can infect and affect every system in the body, and is a real kick in the teeth, no pun intended, as far as rapid dental loss. The corkscrew shaped pathogens just love to screw themselves into the body anywhere and everywhere they can (think dental, bone, joints, nerves, gut, brain, etc.)
 
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