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Lady GL said:
What a piece of work. He is one warped, sick man. All the lives he's destroyed and affected and he's happy he doesn't have to pay child support?!?!?
GUILTY WI - Six deer hunters killed, 2 injured in Sawyer County shooting, 21 Nov 2004
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What a piece of work. He is one warped, sick man. All the lives he's destroyed and affected and he's happy he doesn't have to pay child support?!?!?
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Thank God that these families have at least seen swift justice. May that bring them even some small degree of comfort as the one-year anniversary approaches. 
I just wonder if thats not the reason he said what he did. In hopes someone puts him out of his misery & it will make his entire family rich & him a martyr to the Hmongs. Sick as he is who knows his reasoning?
Do you know what prison he is being sent to? I heard Waupan but not certain?
Do you know what prison he is being sent to? I heard Waupan but not certain?
His wife is a few cards short of a full deck too.........Lady GL said:
she must still be so proud of him! She needs to find a job
& support her 7 kids. Here in Wi nobody else gets any state aide,
many women need it too. She is no better then any other Amercian,
state will gladly send her to school for training.:twocents:
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[font=helvetica,arial]Not sure if you'se seen this before. I found it interesting. [/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Psychiatrist examines Chai Vang[/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Terrell Boettcher[/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Sawyer County Record[/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Wednesday, October 19th, 2005 01:54:14 PM[/font]
[font=arial,helvetica]An August, 2005 psychiatrists examination of the man who later was convicted of murdering six deer hunters in southern Sawyer County last November states that Chai Soua Vang, 37, of St. Paul had a history of violent thoughts and actions and believes that he hears the voice of an evil Shaman.
The psychiatrists eight-page report was unsealed last week by Judge Norman Yackel and made a part of the public court file. The report was not introduced as evidence in the Sept. 10-16 trial during which a Dane County jury found Vang guilty of six counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree attempted murder.
Story Continues Below
Vang is in jail without bond awaiting his sentencing on Nov. 8 in Sawyer County Circuit Court and faces a mandatory six life terms in prison plus additional time.
The Wisconsin Forensics Unit psychiatrist, Robert Rawski, M.D., evaluated Vang for his competency to stand trial. He interviewed Vang in jail on Aug. 19.
Vang, a member of the Hmong tribe, was born in Laos and came to the U.S. in 1980 with his parents and four siblings. The family first settled in St. Paul and then moved to Stockton, Calif., in 1984.
Defendant reported that his father was abusive and would kick and verbally berate him for misbehaviors as a child and adolescent, Rawski wrote in his report. Upon finishing high school, he confronted his father on one occasion and threatened to kick him back and the abuse ceased. He denied a history of physical neglect or sexual abuse.
Vang graduated from high school in Stockton in 1987 with average grades. Despite learning English as a second language, he reported that he was short-tempered as a teenager and frequently got into fights when ridiculed by peers, but did not engage in any criminal behavior, Rawski added.
Consistent with his culture, Vang was married at age 14 while still in the eighth grade. The marriage was arranged by his parents to a girl that Mr. Vang strongly disliked despite his fathers fondness of her, Rawski continued. She was older than he, had many previous boyfriends with whom she continued to maintain contact.
The couple had many arguments and physical confrontations. When she reported to his father that Vang had pushed her, his father attempted to physically discipline him. He ran away from home, directly onto Interstate 94 into traffic in an attempt to kill himself, Rawski wrote. In another incident, he reportedly almost killed his wife with a handgun on Christmas Eve 2001 after an argument over one of his hunting friends at the family dinner.
Vang and his first wife had five children who now live with their mother in Milwaukee. The couple was divorced in 2002. Vang then spent one year with his second traditional wife, who allegedly had a substantial gambling problem and emptied his bank accounts using his ATM card and by forging checks. The couple had a daughter who now is 2 1/2 years old.
Vang borrowed $3,000 for a down payment on a rental home. His second wife took the money to a casino and lost it all. He told Dr. Rawski that he became so infuriated with her that he choked her and almost killed her. He called the police to inform them that they should come to pick her up or he would kill her. The police took her into custody for outstanding warrants for worthless checks. She returned home a week later, at which time Vang called the police again and told her if she did not leave the house he would kill her.
The police warned Chai Vang of potential charges, and he eventually bought a bus ticket for his wife to move to California to live with an ex-boyfriend in October, 2003, Rawski said.
Vang was introduced to his current wife by a hunting buddy, Rawski added. He denied any arguments or physical confrontations between them. They have a daughter who was born in fall, 2004.
After becoming a U.S. citizen, Vang served in the California National Guard and Army Reserves for five years, and received an honorable discharge. He was trained in patient administration and worked in that role in Sacramento for five years.
In 1996, Vang started work as an over-the-road truck driver, in part to avoid home and his tumultuous relationship with his wife, Rawski said. However, he stated that his absence from his children caused him a great deal of stress in addition to the hazards of over-the-road driving, including numerous confrontations with other motorists on the highways. While driving, he would call his wife and get into fights, leading him to consider driving off the road in suicide attempts. On occasion, he considered using his rig to run motorists off the road who had berated him for driving too slowly or being in their way.
After nearly dying in a vehicle runaway when he was training another driver in Utah, Vang relocated to St. Paul in 2000. He took a job transporting semi trailers from building to building. He also delivered automobile parts.
Despite the problems with his first wives, Vang spent only three days in jail in 2001 after pointing a handgun at his first wife, Rawski reported. He failed to fire the gun after his daughter stepped in the way to protect her mother.
Vang reported having chronic headaches for which he takes over-the-counter medication. Many of these headaches occur during times of emotional stress, Rawski said. Vang exhibited signs of depression including a suicide attempt. When he was first incarcerated in the Sawyer County Jail, he put his head into a toilet in an attempt to drown himself.
While in jail, Vang said he has had nightmares of the victims in the alleged incident returning and trying to choke him and force him to eat a cockroach, Rawski said.
In addition, Mr. Vang reported that he has heard voices of an evil Shaman since 1995, Rawski said. He was trained by his father to be a Shaman. Shamans reportedly attempt to heal other people of sickness and evil.
Vang told the psychatrist that the voice of the evil Shaman visits him every two-three months, only when he is particularly angry at somebody who has engaged in a perceived transgression and tells him to hurt, hit or kill them. On one occasion, he attempted to have his cousin who also is a Shaman exorcise the evil Shaman from him. He reported that he typically fails to obey the Shamans commands, which results in two-three days of ringing in his ears for which he takes Tylenol.
While in jail, Vang was prescribed anti-depressant and anti-psychotic medications by a psychiatrist in January 2005 the first time he has received this treatment in his life, Rawski said. Since he stopped taking his medication, the voices have returned, he told Dr. Rawski. Two nights ago, the voices told him to bang his head and not to eat.
Dr. Rawski diagnosed Vang as having major depressive disorder, recurrent moderate severity. He has a chronic history of poor adjustment to stressful interpersonal situations, perceived transgressions and limitations to his freedom. He has a severe history of suicidal gestures and ideation, homicidal ideation, threatening and assaultive behavior and symptoms of depression in the face of those stressful experiences.
Despite his symptomatology however, he was not sufficiently impaired that he was incapable of providing ample history and discussing his legal case appropriately, Dr. Rawski said. I believe, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, that the defendant Chai Vang is competent to stand trial. He demonstrated a substantial mental capacity to understand the proceedings and assist in his defense.
Vang frequently claimed that he did not understand why he had to endure these legal proceedings when he simply would rather have them shoot him, Rawski said. He believed that the local community had already sentenced him in their minds and it didnt matter from where in the state a jury is chosen from because of the nature of the offense. He emphasized his minimal prior experience with the criminal justice system and wondered aloud why prosecution was necessary because the judge already had sufficient information f°rom the police reports to make a decision.
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[font=helvetica,arial]Not sure if you'se seen this before. I found it interesting. [/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Psychiatrist examines Chai Vang[/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Terrell Boettcher[/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Sawyer County Record[/font]
[font=helvetica,arial]Wednesday, October 19th, 2005 01:54:14 PM[/font]
[font=arial,helvetica]An August, 2005 psychiatrists examination of the man who later was convicted of murdering six deer hunters in southern Sawyer County last November states that Chai Soua Vang, 37, of St. Paul had a history of violent thoughts and actions and believes that he hears the voice of an evil Shaman.
The psychiatrists eight-page report was unsealed last week by Judge Norman Yackel and made a part of the public court file. The report was not introduced as evidence in the Sept. 10-16 trial during which a Dane County jury found Vang guilty of six counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree attempted murder.
Story Continues Below
Vang is in jail without bond awaiting his sentencing on Nov. 8 in Sawyer County Circuit Court and faces a mandatory six life terms in prison plus additional time.
The Wisconsin Forensics Unit psychiatrist, Robert Rawski, M.D., evaluated Vang for his competency to stand trial. He interviewed Vang in jail on Aug. 19.
Vang, a member of the Hmong tribe, was born in Laos and came to the U.S. in 1980 with his parents and four siblings. The family first settled in St. Paul and then moved to Stockton, Calif., in 1984.
Defendant reported that his father was abusive and would kick and verbally berate him for misbehaviors as a child and adolescent, Rawski wrote in his report. Upon finishing high school, he confronted his father on one occasion and threatened to kick him back and the abuse ceased. He denied a history of physical neglect or sexual abuse.
Vang graduated from high school in Stockton in 1987 with average grades. Despite learning English as a second language, he reported that he was short-tempered as a teenager and frequently got into fights when ridiculed by peers, but did not engage in any criminal behavior, Rawski added.
Consistent with his culture, Vang was married at age 14 while still in the eighth grade. The marriage was arranged by his parents to a girl that Mr. Vang strongly disliked despite his fathers fondness of her, Rawski continued. She was older than he, had many previous boyfriends with whom she continued to maintain contact.
The couple had many arguments and physical confrontations. When she reported to his father that Vang had pushed her, his father attempted to physically discipline him. He ran away from home, directly onto Interstate 94 into traffic in an attempt to kill himself, Rawski wrote. In another incident, he reportedly almost killed his wife with a handgun on Christmas Eve 2001 after an argument over one of his hunting friends at the family dinner.
Vang and his first wife had five children who now live with their mother in Milwaukee. The couple was divorced in 2002. Vang then spent one year with his second traditional wife, who allegedly had a substantial gambling problem and emptied his bank accounts using his ATM card and by forging checks. The couple had a daughter who now is 2 1/2 years old.
Vang borrowed $3,000 for a down payment on a rental home. His second wife took the money to a casino and lost it all. He told Dr. Rawski that he became so infuriated with her that he choked her and almost killed her. He called the police to inform them that they should come to pick her up or he would kill her. The police took her into custody for outstanding warrants for worthless checks. She returned home a week later, at which time Vang called the police again and told her if she did not leave the house he would kill her.
The police warned Chai Vang of potential charges, and he eventually bought a bus ticket for his wife to move to California to live with an ex-boyfriend in October, 2003, Rawski said.
Vang was introduced to his current wife by a hunting buddy, Rawski added. He denied any arguments or physical confrontations between them. They have a daughter who was born in fall, 2004.
After becoming a U.S. citizen, Vang served in the California National Guard and Army Reserves for five years, and received an honorable discharge. He was trained in patient administration and worked in that role in Sacramento for five years.
In 1996, Vang started work as an over-the-road truck driver, in part to avoid home and his tumultuous relationship with his wife, Rawski said. However, he stated that his absence from his children caused him a great deal of stress in addition to the hazards of over-the-road driving, including numerous confrontations with other motorists on the highways. While driving, he would call his wife and get into fights, leading him to consider driving off the road in suicide attempts. On occasion, he considered using his rig to run motorists off the road who had berated him for driving too slowly or being in their way.
After nearly dying in a vehicle runaway when he was training another driver in Utah, Vang relocated to St. Paul in 2000. He took a job transporting semi trailers from building to building. He also delivered automobile parts.
Despite the problems with his first wives, Vang spent only three days in jail in 2001 after pointing a handgun at his first wife, Rawski reported. He failed to fire the gun after his daughter stepped in the way to protect her mother.
Vang reported having chronic headaches for which he takes over-the-counter medication. Many of these headaches occur during times of emotional stress, Rawski said. Vang exhibited signs of depression including a suicide attempt. When he was first incarcerated in the Sawyer County Jail, he put his head into a toilet in an attempt to drown himself.
While in jail, Vang said he has had nightmares of the victims in the alleged incident returning and trying to choke him and force him to eat a cockroach, Rawski said.
In addition, Mr. Vang reported that he has heard voices of an evil Shaman since 1995, Rawski said. He was trained by his father to be a Shaman. Shamans reportedly attempt to heal other people of sickness and evil.
Vang told the psychatrist that the voice of the evil Shaman visits him every two-three months, only when he is particularly angry at somebody who has engaged in a perceived transgression and tells him to hurt, hit or kill them. On one occasion, he attempted to have his cousin who also is a Shaman exorcise the evil Shaman from him. He reported that he typically fails to obey the Shamans commands, which results in two-three days of ringing in his ears for which he takes Tylenol.
While in jail, Vang was prescribed anti-depressant and anti-psychotic medications by a psychiatrist in January 2005 the first time he has received this treatment in his life, Rawski said. Since he stopped taking his medication, the voices have returned, he told Dr. Rawski. Two nights ago, the voices told him to bang his head and not to eat.
Dr. Rawski diagnosed Vang as having major depressive disorder, recurrent moderate severity. He has a chronic history of poor adjustment to stressful interpersonal situations, perceived transgressions and limitations to his freedom. He has a severe history of suicidal gestures and ideation, homicidal ideation, threatening and assaultive behavior and symptoms of depression in the face of those stressful experiences.
Despite his symptomatology however, he was not sufficiently impaired that he was incapable of providing ample history and discussing his legal case appropriately, Dr. Rawski said. I believe, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, that the defendant Chai Vang is competent to stand trial. He demonstrated a substantial mental capacity to understand the proceedings and assist in his defense.
Vang frequently claimed that he did not understand why he had to endure these legal proceedings when he simply would rather have them shoot him, Rawski said. He believed that the local community had already sentenced him in their minds and it didnt matter from where in the state a jury is chosen from because of the nature of the offense. He emphasized his minimal prior experience with the criminal justice system and wondered aloud why prosecution was necessary because the judge already had sufficient information f°rom the police reports to make a decision.
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That is a great article. Vang was a time bomb set to go off at anytime, period. When he was arrested and throughout his trial, his family and lawyers repeated over and over what a religious man he was and was a shaman in his culture. No one believed it and knew it was just a spin his lawyers were putting on to get their client off.
Sounds like he has always been a wanna be something.......
Shaman no .....a yellow belly chicken chit yes!
I laughed when I read he tried flushing his head down the toilet.
I'm sure the Sawyer Co jail don't leave enough water in the stools
for people to drown themselves.
I also read he is being sent to Waupun then will be moved.
Shaman no .....a yellow belly chicken chit yes!
I laughed when I read he tried flushing his head down the toilet.
I'm sure the Sawyer Co jail don't leave enough water in the stools
for people to drown themselves.
I also read he is being sent to Waupun then will be moved.
I was just over at Prison Talk Online.comLady GL said:
I was unaware how horrid & deplorable the conditions
are in Wis. Hopefully Vang will get sent on to Boscobel. Guards will show him who is the boss real quick! Can imagine wherever he goes he's going to run into deer hunters.
I was reading where it is best to never see anything or hear anything or else you'll become someones
real quick. Bubba will welcome Vang with open arms. Hopefully he'll meet Mr Buck........:angel:Yikes! Prison Talk Online is one scary place! Are those women medicated or have an IQ of 53?
I'm not familiar with the prison in Boscobel, but I know Waupun is no day in the park either. I don't see Vang living to be a ripe old age in prison.....
I'm not familiar with the prison in Boscobel, but I know Waupun is no day in the park either. I don't see Vang living to be a ripe old age in prison.....
I about lost it when I went there. But thought maybe some of Vangs family might ask a few questions. They don't speak English so I guess they wouldn't be. Women there are scarey for sure....they have came to WS before & invaded us a few times.
My hubby fences & razor ribbons many of the prisons in Wi & Mn. Boscobel prison is real new, as is the one in Black River Falls. Guess the guards are vicious at Boscobel. What have you heard about Waupun?
My hubby fences & razor ribbons many of the prisons in Wi & Mn. Boscobel prison is real new, as is the one in Black River Falls. Guess the guards are vicious at Boscobel. What have you heard about Waupun?
Waupun is one of the more humane prisons in the state. They have a very good library and encourage the inmates to do something with their life instead of sitting in their cell. For those not sentenced to life, they really try to rehabiliate them with counseling and group meetings. I don't know what the success rate is but they try.....
Much too good for Vang! It's a slap in the face to the people of Wisconsin who have to support him for the rest of his life and the people of Minnesota who now have to support his wife and 7 children.
I don't agree but I think LE does not want to mess with it:
TUESDAY, Nov. 15, 2005, 3:30 p.m.
Vang cleared in 2001 slaying of hunter
Chai Soua Vang, sentenced last week to life in prison for killing six hunters during last years deer hunting season, was cleared today in the shooting of another deer hunter four years ago.
Clark County investigators have learned that Vang was working as a truck driver in the Twin Cities on Nov. 23, 2001, when James Southworth, 37, was shot twice in the back while hunting on land in the town of Lynn. Southworth had been hunting in a tree stand and may have gotten down to confront someone when he was killed, authorities have said. His deer rifle was never found.
Witnesses reported seeing three men with Asian features on a dead-end road near the Southworth property around noon the day Southworth was killed. They were reportedly standing near a pickup truck, possibly a 1980s Chevrolet or Nissan. Vang has owned a 1987 Nissan.
Vang was convicted of six counts of first-degree intentional homicide and three counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide in the Sawyer County shooting rampage last November that erupted over an argument about the use of a private tree stand.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/daywatch.asp
I don't agree but I think LE does not want to mess with it:
TUESDAY, Nov. 15, 2005, 3:30 p.m.
Vang cleared in 2001 slaying of hunter
Chai Soua Vang, sentenced last week to life in prison for killing six hunters during last years deer hunting season, was cleared today in the shooting of another deer hunter four years ago.
Clark County investigators have learned that Vang was working as a truck driver in the Twin Cities on Nov. 23, 2001, when James Southworth, 37, was shot twice in the back while hunting on land in the town of Lynn. Southworth had been hunting in a tree stand and may have gotten down to confront someone when he was killed, authorities have said. His deer rifle was never found.
Witnesses reported seeing three men with Asian features on a dead-end road near the Southworth property around noon the day Southworth was killed. They were reportedly standing near a pickup truck, possibly a 1980s Chevrolet or Nissan. Vang has owned a 1987 Nissan.
Vang was convicted of six counts of first-degree intentional homicide and three counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide in the Sawyer County shooting rampage last November that erupted over an argument about the use of a private tree stand.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/daywatch.asp
Hubby heard on radio that Vang is to have his orientation at Waupun then he is being sent to Boscobel. Might take him 4-6 months before he gets there. Then he won't have it so good. He for sure won't show any disrespect for the guards there or he'll be starved.
Someone will get him & shut his mouth once & for all. He'll get his in the end.
Then we'll have peace of mind.
I've been writing alot of letters trying to get the death penalty reinstated here in Wi. Probably going on deaf ears but at least I'm trying. His statement made me so mad!
We may have to support him but Mn is bearing the brunt of his family. Gov Pawlenty from Mn loves bringing them to his state / so he won't mind it. Least in Wi we don't have any kind of welfare...so they wouldn't dream of moving here.
Someone will get him & shut his mouth once & for all. He'll get his in the end.
Then we'll have peace of mind.
I've been writing alot of letters trying to get the death penalty reinstated here in Wi. Probably going on deaf ears but at least I'm trying. His statement made me so mad!
We may have to support him but Mn is bearing the brunt of his family. Gov Pawlenty from Mn loves bringing them to his state / so he won't mind it. Least in Wi we don't have any kind of welfare...so they wouldn't dream of moving here.
Just heard on Fox 9 news Vang is wrote a letter to them. Stating he had alot more to say & that he had fired his lawyers & requesting a new trial.
Also his home was burnt to the ground up towards Bemidji he'd sold it in July to his sister & beother inlaw. They feel it was arson.
Also his home was burnt to the ground up towards Bemidji he'd sold it in July to his sister & beother inlaw. They feel it was arson.
A new trial? On what basis - he was framed? He is not living in reality! His sense of entitlement is way over the top.
I wonder if this is a hate crime or insurance scam?
Fire burns former Vang home to ground
Associated Press
Posted: Nov. 28, 2005
Brook Park, Minn. - A fire in this rural town destroyed a home that once belonged to a St. Paul man recently convicted of killing six Wisconsin deer hunters, authorities said.
The fire reduced the cedar-sided house and its two-story playhouse, which Chai Soua Vang formerly owned, to ashes and rubble.
"It appears quite suspicious," Mora Fire Chief Gene Anderson said of the Wednesday morning blaze. "The house was burnt to the ground before anyone found it."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov05/373708.asp
I wonder if this is a hate crime or insurance scam?
Fire burns former Vang home to ground
Associated Press
Posted: Nov. 28, 2005
Brook Park, Minn. - A fire in this rural town destroyed a home that once belonged to a St. Paul man recently convicted of killing six Wisconsin deer hunters, authorities said.
The fire reduced the cedar-sided house and its two-story playhouse, which Chai Soua Vang formerly owned, to ashes and rubble.
"It appears quite suspicious," Mora Fire Chief Gene Anderson said of the Wednesday morning blaze. "The house was burnt to the ground before anyone found it."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov05/373708.asp
Not falling on deaf ears at all:cheko1 said:
Talk of death penalty reborn
GOP senators have efforts in the works to revive it in state
By STACY FORSTER
[email protected]
Posted: Nov. 23, 2005
Madison - A handful of Republican lawmakers are calling for the state to consider imposing the death penalty in certain cases.
Looking to target the most severe criminals, Sen. Tom Reynolds (R-West Allis) is circulating a proposal among legislators that would apply the death penalty in cases in which someone had sexually assaulted, killed and either dismembered, disfigured or mutilated the victim. Conclusive DNA evidence tying the offender to the crime would also be necessary, the bill says.
"People are looking for justice here, and the most heinous type of crime deserves a proper punishment," Reynolds said, adding that he has surveyed constituents, who overwhelmingly support the idea. A 2003 Badger Poll, conducted by the University of Wisconsin Survey Center, showed that two-thirds of Wisconsinites approved of capital punishment.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov05/372952.asp
It's about time they are looking into imposing the death penalty.Way to many sickos being supported in our state. I am just tired of it. Vang deserves the death penalty. Am sure he'll get it once he is in general population, he has a big mouth.
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