WI - Six killed, 4 injured in Sikh temple shooting, Oak Creek, 5 Aug 2012

[Woe.be.gone]

Picture of the person of interest

looks like an alien - huge upper head/forehead!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The U.S. military has also had problems with white supremacist groups in its ranks for a couple of decades now. Though they're not large, its a problem and one they really need to clean up. IIRC, Timothy McVeigh was involved in one of those groups while he was in the Army.

I was never aware of that when my husband was in the Army - duh!

 

[Betty P]

looks like an alien - huge upper head/forehead!

Does he have some kind of ponytail or section of long hair in the back? Its difficult to see.

 

[wfgodot]

I couldnt agree with you more STEADFAST. Frankly, I am already sick of hearing he was in the military years ago.

So what? That was 14 years ago.

IMO

Would you rather that authorities not note known facts about the shooter?

As Betty P. notes above, "The U.S. military has also had problems with white supremacist groups in its ranks for a couple of decades now."

Our forces do not suffer by the revelation that this piece of scum was in their ranks for a time. His general discharge - a less-than-honorable discharge - speaks of his actions while serving.

 

[STEADFAST]

Does he have some kind of ponytail or section of long hair in the back? Its difficult to see.

A mullet? Probably.

 

[zippitydoda]

I wish the media would not show or print pictures of this person, or others who commit such cowardly acts against innocent victims.

I get that people are curious, but if perverse "glory" is what they are after, why let future cowards know that they get face time? If these cowards do these acts to deliver their message, no matter how inconceivable and nonsensical the message is, why does the media always deliver it for them in some way?

His photo will be on the front page of websites and newspapers for days. I don't like that.

 

[wfgodot]

I wish the media would not show or print pictures of this person, or others who commit such cowardly acts against innocent victims.

I get that people are curious, but if perverse "glory" is what they are after, why let future cowards know that they get face time? If these cowards do these acts to deliver their message, no matter how inconceivable and nonsensical the message is, why does the media always deliver it for them in some way?

His photo will be on the front page of websites and newspapers for days. I don't like that.

People need to know the face of terrorism, no matter its guise.

Information may be able to be gleaned from individuals who recognize Page and can place him in the context of ties with known hate groups.

 

[wfgodot]

Chief Edwards: The officer shot is in stable condition; he was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

 

[Betty P]

Would you rather that authorities not note known facts about the shooter?

As Betty P. notes above, "The U.S. military has also had problems with white supremacist groups in its ranks for a couple of decades now."

Our forces do not suffer by the revelation that this piece of scum was in their ranks for a time. His general discharge - a less-than-honorable discharge - speaks of his actions while serving.

According to one of the news articles, he was busted from sergeant to specialist before his discharge. The military must have known he was a bad actor.

The US Atty also just said he had moved to the are only recently. Wonder where he lived before?

ETA: it was the local police chief who gave that info.

 

[STEADFAST]

Would you rather that authorities not note known facts about the shooter?

As Betty P. notes above, "The U.S. military has also had problems with white supremacist groups in its ranks for a couple of decades now."

There is NO TOLERANCE for white supremacy in the military. Anyone discovered with a racist tattoo, poster, membership in an organization, magazines, written material, etc., or who espouses white supremacy ideals is discharged. My husband is military LE and, believe me, white supremacy is taken more seriously than you can imagine.
ETA Keep in mind that white supremists are usually anti-government.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Does he have some kind of ponytail or section of long hair in the back? Its difficult to see.

I see what you mean - it's hard to tell but I see a darker area that looks like hair going down his neck.
It looks thick though and the hair we can see looks thin, so it may be some kind of an illusion. :waitasec:

 

[Storm]

Does he have some kind of ponytail or section of long hair in the back? Its difficult to see.

I think it's a shadow. I'm assuming that is a picture that someone
at the scene took? ^i^

 

[wfgodot]

There is NO TOLERANCE for white supremacy in the military. Anyone discovered with a racist tattoo, poster, membership in an organization, magazines, written material, etc., or who espouses white supremacy ideals is discharged. My husband is military LE and, believe me, white supremacy is taken more seriously than you can imagine.
ETA Keep in mind that white supremists are usually anti-government.

I am glad the military acknowledges its problem with individuals of Page's nature, and works diligently to eliminate them from service for a government whose legitimacy they deny.

 

[wfgodot]

Though they obviously held back delicate matters still a part of the investigation, that was a very forthcoming press conference. Salutes to the Chief Edwards, Attorney Santelle, Special Agent Teresa Carlson, and all others who spoke.

 

[wfgodot]

Page got the general discharge with the caveat "ineligible to re-enlist" tacked on.

 

[STEADFAST]

Does he have some kind of ponytail or section of long hair in the back? Its difficult to see.

It does look like hair, but it's hard to say for sure.

 

[katydid23]

I would bet that an average person would not know the difference even after 11 years. They see a turban and they make the connection to the Taliban/Muslims. If the Sikh community expressed a concern, it is because they faced this threat. :moo:

Maybe not the average person, but someone who was making it the end of their life's goal, their huge violent last stand---would they know the difference between a mosque and a Sikh Temple? I think they would.

 

[wfgodot]

Maybe not the average person, but someone who was making it the end of their life's goal, their huge violent last stand---would they know the difference between a mosque and a Sikh Temple? I think they would.

I don't think he factored it in at all. He attacked a minority religious community whose members were persons of color. By doing so he accomplished his sick goal.

Rot in hell, Wade Michael Page.

 

[wfgodot]

WISN's live stream coverage is excellent and ongoing right now.

http://livewire.wisn.com/Event/Oak_Creek_Temple_Shooting

 

[Betty P]

There is NO TOLERANCE for white supremacy in the military. Anyone discovered with a racist tattoo, poster, membership in an organization, magazines, written material, etc., or who espouses white supremacy ideals is discharged. My husband is military LE and, believe me, white supremacy is taken more seriously than you can imagine.
ETA Keep in mind that white supremists are usually anti-government.

That's good to hear! The top brass knows these people are very dangerous to others, not to mention bad for morale. I remember back in the late 80's or thereabouts, when Southern Poverty Law Center first discovered there were some small white supremacist groups in the military. IIRC, someone sent them copies of their letters and recruitment materials. It was a real shock!