WI - Six people shot to death by Forest County deputy, Crandon, Oct 7, 2007

[BrowneyedEmily]

Concluding Remarks:

Another PC tomorrow morning, but if have a lot of new info. maybe today.

Reasons why called PC to close with no other questions: many people commented to press about ongoing events. Want to make sure people know that the only info. can take as absolutely accurate is info. from DOJ. We do not want to mislead any members of the public. Victim's families who received most of info. from press. Info. may be inaccurate. Trying to release as early as possible as much info. as possible to make sure press, community and victim's families are as informed as possible. Much of info. in questions asking will be able to release in near future, but because of...investigation, multiple crime scenes, short passage of time, not confident in our answers to all questions. Do not have further information, will have more as soon as receive it.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I feel very very sorry for his family. I would hate to be in their shoes right now. Not only did they lose a child also but their child is the one responsible for taking 6 other lives..I think I can kind of understand their comment about ''It is very trying,''

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting;_ylt=AuTyleA_4wDf_BYs0lBoy69H2ocA

Peterson's father, Steve Peterson, said that the family planned to draft a statement to the public, but declined Monday to talk in detail. Nothing his family said about him now would be believable to most people, he said. "It is very trying,"
he said.

I'm not dissing Petersons parents here. The comments people make under stress are odd sometimes.

 

[cheko1]

I feel very very sorry for his family. I would hate to be in their shoes right now. Not only did they lose a child also but their child is the one responsible for taking 6 other lives..I think I can kind of understand their comment about ''It is very trying,''

After hearing the statement from the family it made me heartsick......
They are also related to some of his victims & how would you be able to cope? They couldn't of did anything to prevent it from happening. They were probably in bed sleeping. I feel sorry for them.

 

[Taximom]

Emily, thanks again for the transcript. Someday I won't have cable and I'll really appreciate things like this!

I'm glad you caught "no psych exam" because right after I heard a Fox reporter say basically "TP passed all the police exams, psych exams" etc. My eyeballs popped out of my head because that's not what I heard from the PC.

I swear we would make better reporters than half of the ones on TV.

 

[Squishified]

Emily, thanks again for the transcript. Someday I won't have cable and I'll really appreciate things like this!

I'm glad you caught "no psych exam" because right after I heard a Fox reporter say basically "TP passed all the police exams, psych exams" etc. My eyeballs popped out of my head because that's not what I heard from the PC.

I swear we would make better reporters than half of the ones on TV.

Did he have to pass those psych exams to be a cop? Is that what they mean?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Gunman told friend he lost control after they began to call him a "worthless pig."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=672136

But the way I am reading this article it doesn't say he got in a shootout with police I don't think. The man said TP walked about 50 yards outside the friend's home and was shot by the police that had surrounded the 200 acres.

How do ya ll interpret it? The friend did talk him into talking to the police and giving up his AK15 police issued assault rifle but he would not surrender his pistol.

imoo

 

[Taximom]

Did he have to pass those psych exams to be a cop? Is that what they mean?

Hi Squishified!

I have NO clue what the reporter meant. I heard distinctly from the press conf. that TP passed several police exams (probably physical, law enforcement knowledge etc) but there was no psych exam given. Hopefully that reporter corrects his statement before long.

 

[Trino]

I just wonder if a little common sense wouldn't have gone a long way. Twenty years old seems quite young to be in law enforcement. We've been informed he was a deputy with Forest County since January 2007, but how long did he work part time with the Crandon Police Department? If Peterson graduated at 18 from h.s., how long did he actually spend training? (Obviously, not long enough.)

I, too, feel sorry for the family. How can they survive in this town when nearly everyone in Crandon knows or is related to one of the victims?

 

[KatK]

Hi Squishified!

I have NO clue what the reporter meant. I heard distinctly from the press conf. that TP passed several police exams (probably physical, law enforcement knowledge etc) but there was no psych exam given. Hopefully that reporter corrects his statement before long.

I heard it too, it was very carefully stated that there was *NO* psych exam given to him, but that he passed every "required" exam in order to be a police officer/deputy.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I interpret it the same as you. It says nothing about a shoot-out or a hostage...

Gunman told friend he lost control after they began to call him a "worthless pig."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=672136

But the way I am reading this article it doesn't say he got in a shootout with police I don't think. The man said TP walked about 50 yards outside the friend's home and was shot by the police that had surrounded the 200 acres.

How do ya ll interpret it? The friend did talk him into talking to the police and giving up his AK15 police issued assault rifle but he would not surrender his pistol.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I heard it too, it was very carefully stated that there was *NO* psych exam given to him, but that he passed every "required" exam in order to be a police officer/deputy.

So psych exams in Wisconsin must not be mandatory? Because the police officer stressed he passed all required exams.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I interpret it the same as you. It says nothing about a shoot-out or a hostage...

Maybe they were telling to stop in his tracks and get down on the ground or they would shoot and he just kept walking. I don't think he ever intended to give himself up. He knew the police would kill him if he did not obey commands.

imoo

 

[Trino]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:
"Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers..."


Here's another "take" on what happened:
http://www.wisn.com/news/14293447/detail.html

"After Peterson left the apartment, he fired rounds at a responding police officer and struck the cruiser. The officer suffered minor injuries from flying glass."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:

Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers...

Guess we'll need to wait for more results. I'm not convinced that the 50 yards story isn't true.

Me either the father of the friend seemed very honest to me. I think he was trying to tell what he saw unfolding. They had known Tyler for so long and no matter what he had done it had to be hard for them seeing him killed.

Such a tragedy. I wish he had just thought before he reacted and caused such horror and grief.

imoo

 

[Trino]

The same article says Peterson was found in a residence in the town of Argonne hours later and that shots were fired by both Peterson and and law enforcement officers.

The critically wounded young man has been upgraded to serious, although there has been no reports of the extent of his injuries.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:
"Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers..."


Here's another "take" on what happened:
http://www.wisn.com/news/14293447/detail.html
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Oops I messed up your quote Trino. I am sorry.

I think the confusion is there were two different places.

From what has been said the police officer that was hit by shattering glass was at the original scene where the shootings occurred. This would support the neighbors saying they heard 5-6 shots then a pause and about 6 more shots then about 8 shots when they heard TPs tires screeching off when he fled. Remember when the neighbor heard it she was going to call 911 but noticed the police were already there?

I think in the PC today they said that the officer did not pursue TP at that time. He probably called and waited for backup.

So that still doesn't clear up if he was in another shootout in Argonne. I tend to think he wasn't but did not comply to their demands and kept walking knowing they would fire if he didn't.

JMO of course. lol

Ocean

 

[mysteriew]

Psych exams are required by some police and sheriff's depts. But it is not something that is required by state or fed. gov. Therefore smaller police depts and sheriffs depts. and even some state LE don't give them routinely. They rely on their training instructors observations, background info, their own impressions of the officer.
If there are any problems with an officer on the job, they may or may not be referred for psych.

LOL, in some small LE you do get some who are shall we say, have an inflated sense of their 'power'.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The same article says Peterson was found in a residence in the town of Argonne hours later and that shots were fired by both Peterson and and law enforcement officers.

The critically wounded young man has been upgraded to serious, although there has been no reports of the extent of his injuries.

Ok Trino, I read the article closer and I guess he shot back at the officers in both places.

Suicide by cop..........Tyler knew they would kill him and they did just as he knew they would do. I guess he wasn't strong enough to take his own life so he let them do it for him.

imoo

 

[Taximom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:
"Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers..."


Here's another "take" on what happened:
http://www.wisn.com/news/14293447/detail.html

"After Peterson left the apartment, he fired rounds at a responding police officer and struck the cruiser. The officer suffered minor injuries from flying glass."

The 2nd part of the above quote happened right after he killed those kids, right outside of that home. The 1st part is from when they located him a few miles away and had called in other agencies to help. That's where LE isn't saying whether they killed him or he killed himself, due to multiple shots being fired. That's what I heard anyway!

ETA: I just saw Ocean's next comment about this! Sorry for the duplicate info.

 

[SuziQ]

I feel very very sorry for his family. I would hate to be in their shoes right now. Not only did they lose a child also but their child is the one responsible for taking 6 other lives..I think I can kind of understand their comment about ''It is very trying,''

After hearing the statement from the family it made me heartsick......
They are also related to some of his victims & how would you be able to cope? They couldn't of did anything to prevent it from happening. They were probably in bed sleeping. I feel sorry for them.

To clarify my point of the original post, which by the way, I said I wasn't dissing the parents. It was just an observation on how stress makes you say the oddest things. Because the situation for his parents is way beyond "trying". It's downright horrifying!!!!