WI - Sylville Smith, 23, fatally shot by Milwaukee PD officer, 13 Aug 2016 *Arrest*

[formerjerseygirl]

This is what is real- who thinks this is acceptable?

 

[K_Z]

What solution to this rioting do you see that has a good chance in working? I don't see one. JMO

Breaking up these pockets of crime and poverty have been proven to work. Gentrification is not a bad solution, IMO. Look at what happened in Chicago with the demolition and redevelopment of the Cabrini Green projects-- which took 20 years to finally get approved. Crime is nearly non-existent in the new buildings. And the low income section 8 residents (guaranteed spots in the new buildings) largely decline to move back into the new buildings and safer communities, for various reasons. Only about 20% returned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini–Green_Homes#Recent_history_and_future_plans

New residents have successfully moved into CHA replacement housing, and to date, residents of the mixed-income developments have reported fewer crime related problems. The last two families in Cabrini–Green were forced out by a federal judge's decree on December 1, 2010.[21] Crime has dramatically decreased as the area's population has shifted; in the first half of 2006, only one murder occurred.

 

[Woodland]

Interesting thread imo. Watching/listening to what seems many wanting to annihilate a segment of US citizens - watching/listening to many not want an annihilation of same US citizens.

Who will win out? Cannot guess at this point.

So where is the body cam video for this shooting? Was the victim running backwards in order to be shot in the chest? Did he stop running and turn to face the officer that shot him?

Fwiw, the person (Alderman?) that said you are one day away - take note, I think he has a point. Jmo.

 

[Mountaingazer]

Has any information come out about the initial traffic stop? I read it was because the police saw a suspicious car and thus stopped it, but any word on what/why it was deemed suspicious?

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[Irish_Eyes]

He is talking about the same things other community leaders right across America are talking about. Why can't we just take what they are saying at face value? How many people need to protest and speak out for the rest of the country to believe that there just may be something to these concerns?

Folks are screaming from the rooftops, and nobody is ready to believe them. And then we wonder why these protests turn into riot type situations? If the deaf ears aren't willing to listen, these situations will continue happening. JMO

The economic woes of the lower classes in this country are real and present challenges. But solutions can't be found in the methods the rioters are employing - lashing out at their fellow citizens just because, like abusers, they've convinced themselves that their violence is justified - that he only hits her because she deserves it. If this was Trump supporters in some impoverished Appalachian backwater decimated by drugs and crime and a lack of jobs, and they were the ones burning things down because "immigrants" I have a hard time believing that so many would be so willing to excuse the violence, instead of standing up to it.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Has any information come out about the initial traffic stop? I read it was because the police saw a suspicious car and thus stopped it, but any word on what/why it was deemed suspicious?

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No. Last night the local reporters kept repeating that in the days leading up to the shooting that sparked all this there were six shootings in this area. It was/is deemed to early to say whether this stop was in any way connected to the investigation of one or more of those crimes, or if it was completely unrelated.

 

[formerjerseygirl]

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[CoolJ]

The economic woes of the lower classes in this country are real and present challenges. But solutions can't be found in the methods the rioters are employing - lashing out at their fellow citizens just because, like abusers, they've convinced themselves that their violence is justified - that he only hits her because she deserves it. If this was Trump supporters in some impoverished Appalachian backwater decimated by drugs and crime and a lack of jobs, and they were the ones burning things down because "immigrants" I have a hard time believing that so many would be so willing to excuse the violence, instead of standing up to it.

Except nobody is excusing the violence.....

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I have to say I absolutely do not believe blacks, as a group, are still oppressed if to oppress means to crush or burden by abuse of power or authority.

I do see where some cases and some policing tactics could give that perception though.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Except nobody is excusing the violence.....

I don't believe you are. I never meant to imply that so if that was unclear, I'll state that emphatically. But yes, there are people generally offering up justifications and rationalizations fo the violence.

 

[scmom]

I would definitely say that there are cases in which the police have been wrong, but when considered in the context of the sheer numbers of interactions between LE and citizens there is no war on blacks by LE.

 

[Elley Mae]

Violence erupts in Milwaukee after deadly officer-involved shooting

http://www.wisn.com/news/1-dead-in-officerinvolved-shooting/41190354

Two people bolted from the car during that traffic stop, Stanmeyer said.

http://www.wisn.com/news/1-dead-in-officerinvolved-shooting/41190354

Flynn said Sunday that the officer who shot Smith is African-American.

bbm,Who does that? Who bolts from a vehicle when it is being stopped by LE? Who?

 

[Elley Mae]

Gov. Scott Walker has activated the National Guard following the unrest overnight in Milwaukee, but it not be deployed unless requested by Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn.

http://www.wisn.com/news/1-dead-in-officerinvolved-shooting/41190354

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't believe you are. I never meant to imply that so if that was unclear, I'll state that emphatically. But yes, there are people generally offering up justifications and rationalizations fo the violence.

Here on WS??

I haven't seen one person excuse rioting here.

 

[CoolJ]

I don't believe you are. I never meant to imply that so if that was unclear, I'll state that emphatically. But yes, there are people generally offering up justifications and rationalizations fo the violence.

Oh absolutely there are people saying stuff like that on fb posts and article comments, but those statements are outnumbered about 10:1 by the most vile racist comments you could dream up. People say all kinds of crazy stuff via those types of forums.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Here on WS??

I haven't seen one person excuse rioting here.

No! Not here on WS either. I think because our TOS demands a level of civility from posters it tends to discourage some of the more radical voices on all sides of any particular issue. And also because our community is large enough and diverse enough to be a place where views rarely go unchallenged - there is always someone willing to play devil's advocate (in the best sense of that term.) But not all of social media, or in fact society at large, is set up quite the same way.

 

[scmom]

Sources: Milwaukee police officer who fatally shot suspect is black
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...-unrest-clarke-calls-national-guard/88716616/

The black man whose killing by police touched off an outbreak of arson and rock-throwing in Milwaukee was shot by a black officer after turning toward him with a gun in his hand, the police chief said Sunday.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...milwaukee-police-shooting-20160814-story.html

 

[Wysteria]

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Oh no.
This is not going to end well.
I don't see any LE yet?
As of this time they are in the middle of the street; someone could get run over again.
How is this helping?
Going from bad to worse.
What a complete mess.

 

[Inthedetails]

No! Not here on WS either. I think because our TOS demands a level of civility from posters it tends to discourage some of the more radical voices on all sides of any particular issue. And also because our community is large enough and diverse enough to be a place where views rarely go unchallenged - there is always someone willing to play devil's advocate (in the best sense of that term.) But not all of social media, or in fact society at large, is set up quite the same way.

That's what's great about WS - don't bring comments from SM here. So to claim people are excusing the violence - that needs to be clarified where these people are voicing their approval. Otherwise, it seems like fellow WS are being accused of it.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Oh absolutely there are people saying stuff like that on fb posts and article comments, but those statements are outnumbered about 10:1 by the most vile racist comments you could dream up. People say all kinds of crazy stuff via those types of forums.

The racists are pretty evenly divided on this issue, actually. Really, take an honest look, you'll see what I mean.