WI - Sylville Smith, 23, fatally shot by Milwaukee PD officer, 13 Aug 2016 *Arrest*

  • #321
Two questions

Where have I heard the name Gov. Scott Walker from before? Has he been involved in any recent national media cases or stories?

Is it common for a Body Cam to not have audio or are they saying there was a defect of some sort?

Governor Scott Walker was an early candidate for president. He suspended his campaign September 21.

Articles with comments from authorities about the body cam say they were functioning perfectly, and activated at the appropriate time by the officer, just that the audio is "delayed" for 30 seconds once the officer activates the camera. I don't know why they are designed like that, or if that is standard.

Several articles state the entire encounter was 20-25 seconds, so that explains why no audio. Perhaps other officers activated their cameras?
 
  • #322
Governor Scott Walker was an early candidate for president. He suspended his campaign September 21.

Articles about the body cams say they were functioning perfectly, and activated at the appropriate time by the officer, just that the audio is "delayed" for 30 seconds once the officer activates the camera. I don't know why they are designed like that, or if that is standard.

Yes, that's what I read about the audio as well. This particular incident lasted under 30 seconds, IIRC.
 
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  • #324
Two questions

Where have I heard the name Gov. Scott Walker from before? Has he been involved in any recent national media cases or stories?

Is it common for a Body Cam to not have audio or are they saying there was a defect of some sort?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/1...gun-in-body-camera-footage-officials-say.html

While the camera captures the shooting there is no sound of the critical moments because Milwaukee police body cameras do not begin recording audio for 30 seconds, Flynn said

Oops I guess that question has already been answered.
 
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  • #326
From the mouth of babes. Listen to 14 year old Saneya Pryor. (first video)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-milwaukee-unrest-20160814-snap-story.html

She's exactly right. Beautiful, smart, well spoken young woman. I wish she could move away from that awful neighborhood, and have better chances to succeed. Because she CAN succeed, just not there, around all that violence, and among criminals.

Poor kid. She deserves way better than that.

Quick story. There is a family new to our community who moved here from a rather rough area in Chicago. The teen boy had an enormously difficult adjustment in the local public middle school, he brought the "gangster" attitude and swagger from his old neighborhood with him. And he was a very big kid-- 6' and at least 200#, so very intimidating to the smaller kids. He postured, he threatened, he bragged about his old neighborhood and what a "bad a$$" he was, he mouthed off to teachers, he threw things in class, and was a general PITA. That was September, 2 years ago. The kids saw thru his swagger right away, and really, really tried to include him, and make friends. They called him out when he was rude or disruptive, before the teachers did. He rebuffed them, over and over.

The mother and her BF are lovely people, and extremely dedicated to him, and to making a better life in their new community. She told me she had to get him away.She was literally obsessed with getting away from the violence. She wanted to save her son, and she knew she couldn't do it there.

Long story short, before the end of his first year here, he stopped with the swagger and intimidation and mouthing off. Little by little, he pulled his pants up over his butt cheeks, and kept them there. Kids said he was "quiet" for several months, and suddenly raised his hand in class a few times, and answered correctly. They were stunned. He started participating in gym class, and the boys realized he had a lot of athletic talent, and they started playing ball games during lunch.

The boy is in high school now, and played football as a freshman. He has loads of friends now, gets decent grades, and I have every expectation he will graduate and go on to live a happy and successful life, with a career and family. No, he won't get a football scholarship, or anything like the movies, and he's not brilliant intellectually-- but capable of many jobs and careers.

But all it took to make a difference, a real difference in his life trajectory, was the mother making up her mind to get OUT of the awful neighborhood and away from the other people who were bad influences. The mother lost an older nephew to gang violence, she told me, and the man she is with now is a father figure to the teen. They came with only a car load of belongings, and within the first weeks of the school year, both adults were employed in good jobs, living in what she describes as a "2 bedroom palace! It's clean, and everything actually works!"

Thank god for this woman and her BF-- if not for them, this teen would have almost certainly been lost to the streets, in jail, or dead by now. It CAN be done. Poor minorities CAN succeed, and yes, they probably have to try harder, and make more sacrifices-- nobody ever said life was going to be fair.
 
  • #327
Actually, countries with a social net are the ones where poor have mobility. The myth of moving up in America is just that. A myth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/09/news/economy/america-economic-mobility/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ttner/it-easier-obtain-american-dream-europe/

Times article that examined five studies about the United States' lagging economic mobility identified the depth of American poverty as one culprit, as the country has a "thinner safety net" than other wealthy nations.

As someone who has done this, I will vouche it's hard. However, it is possible. You have to be willing to do things others aren't, like 80 hour weeks and living off canned chicken and rice, tuna and ramen. Sure it was hard for a couple years, but it was worth it.
 
  • #328
Yet, he knows from the silent video, that the suspect was told to drop his gun? That doesn’t make any sense. The official version of the story is already falling apart, and they haven’t even released much information. They obviously are being selective in what information they are releasing. Determining how many rounds were fired is easy. They just count how many rounds were missing from all the guns at the scene. They know how many rounds the suspect had in his gun, but they can’t count how many the cop had?

Again, the video must look bad for the cop, or they would have already released it. They are just stalling now.

When did it become standard for ANY case to release all the information before it was investigated? Oh, wait. That's never been the case. But people, without knowing the facts are destroying property and injuring others.
 
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  • #330
She's exactly right. Beautiful, smart, well spoken young woman. I wish she could move away from that awful neighborhood, and have better chances to succeed. Because she CAN succeed, just not there, around all that violence, and among criminals.

Poor kid. She deserves way better than that.

Quick story. There is a family new to our community who moved here from a rather rough area in Chicago. The teen boy had an enormously difficult adjustment in the local public middle school, he brought the "gangster" attitude and swagger from his old neighborhood with him. And he was a very big kid-- 6' and at least 200#, so very intimidating to the smaller kids. He postured, he threatened, he bragged about his old neighborhood and what a "bad a$$" he was, he mouthed off to teachers, he threw things in class, and was a general PITA. That was September, 2 years ago. The kids saw thru his swagger right away, and really, really tried to include him, and make friends. They called him out when he was rude or disruptive, before the teachers did. He rebuffed them, over and over.

The mother and her BF are lovely people, and extremely dedicated to him, and to making a better life in their new community. She told me she had to get him away.She was literally obsessed with getting away from the violence. She wanted to save her son, and she knew she couldn't do it there.

Long story short, before the end of his first year here, he stopped with the swagger and intimidation and mouthing off. Little by little, he pulled his pants up over his butt cheeks, and kept them there. Kids said he was "quiet" for several months, and suddenly raised his hand in class a few times, and answered correctly. They were stunned. He started participating in gym class, and the boys realized he had a lot of athletic talent, and they started playing ball games during lunch.

The boy is in high school now, and played football as a freshman. He has loads of friends now, gets decent grades, and I have every expectation he will graduate and go on to live a happy and successful life, with a career and family. No, he won't get a football scholarship, or anything like the movies, and he's not brilliant intellectually-- but capable of many jobs and careers.

But all it took to make a difference, a real difference in his life trajectory, was the mother making up her mind to get OUT of the awful neighborhood and away from the other people who were bad influences. The mother lost an older nephew to gang violence, she told me, and the man she is with now is a father figure to the teen. They came with only a car load of belongings, and within the first weeks of the school year, both adults were employed in good jobs, living in what she describes as a "2 bedroom palace! It's clean, and everything actually works!"

Thank god for this woman and her BF-- if not for them, this teen would have almost certainly been lost to the streets, in jail, or dead by now. It CAN be done. Poor minorities CAN succeed, and yes, they probably have to try harder, and make more sacrifices-- nobody ever said life was going to be fair.

Thank you for this. So these people are not inherently low life criminals? This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Give these kids a chance and they will succeed. But what do we do about the thousands and thousands of young men who do not have a determined mother and positive father figure to get them up out of the hood? These families are stuck in a cycle, how can we help them? They feel oppressed. Telling them they are lazy will not help.
 
  • #331
Thank you for this. So these people are not inherently low life criminals? This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Give these kids a chance and they will succeed. But what do we do about the thousands and thousands of young men who do not have a determined mother and positive father figure to get them up out of the hood? These families are stuck in a cycle, how can we help them? They feel oppressed. Telling them they are lazy will not help.


I don't think MOST people believe they are inherently bad. But, they could change their lives a lot more by proactively seeking too. However, I see nobody winning in playing the blame game, while taking no real action. If these people wanted to create change, instead of spending a night out burning buildings in "protest" they could tutor kids after school, or lead a bible study group, or any other number of things that actually improve the life of people in that community.
 
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  • #333
I don't think MOST people believe they are inherently bad. But, they could change their lives a lot more by proactively seeking too. However, I see nobody winning in playing the blame game, while taking no real action. If these people wanted to create change, instead of spending a night out burning buildings in "protest" they could tutor kids after school, or lead a bible study group, or any other number of things that actually improve the life of people in that community.

Without a positive influence in their lives those ideas wouldn't even cross their minds. Trust me on that one. You cannot put yourself in their shoes and see what their perception of life is unless you have lived it. We are not talking one or two or even a few hundred people who feel this way, we are talking about Millions! Surely, there must be something to what they are saying. Maybe it's time to start listening, instead of condemning.
 
  • #334
Without a positive influence in their lives those ideas wouldn't even cross their minds. Trust me on that one. You cannot put yourself in their shoes and see what their perception of life is unless you have lived it. We are not talking one or two or even a few hundred people who feel this way, we are talking about Millions! Surely, there must be something to what they are saying. Maybe it's time to start listening, instead of condemning.

Oh, I am listening. Believe me. And it is pretty frightening.

https://www.facebook.com/journalsentinel/
 
  • #335
Oh, I am listening. Believe me. And it is pretty frightening.

https://www.facebook.com/journalsentinel/

If you are listening to what the crazies are saying and assume they are speaking for the masses you will miss out on the thoughts of some pretty smart level headed folks.

You know as well as I do many of these people are being directed to talk this way. Probably some are being paid to do so.
 
  • #336
Is there any live feed from Milwaukee this evening?

Thanks ~
 
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  • #339
Without a positive influence in their lives those ideas wouldn't even cross their minds. Trust me on that one. You cannot put yourself in their shoes and see what their perception of life is unless you have lived it. We are not talking one or two or even a few hundred people who feel this way, we are talking about Millions! Surely, there must be something to what they are saying. Maybe it's time to start listening, instead of condemning.

I tutor in a very, very bad school in Dallas, with a very low graduation rate for black males. The problem is not a perceived oppression. The problem is with the perception that being smart is lame, that it's cooler to live the street life, that spending time after school with a tutor is something to be made fun of. At least, IMO, that's the problem. I see it every year, different kids, same problems.
 
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