Will George, Cindy & Lee Deny the Abuse Allegations?

[Frigga]

After watching IS today I had a creepy feeling that JB is going to say that ICA saw that Caylee was being sexually abused as she had been and that is what brings us to today.

Just a weird creepy feeling.

Tipstaff, can you elaborate a bit more? I didn't see IS at all today so I am curious to know if anything particular led to your suspicions?!

 

[Tipstaff]

Tipstaff, can you elaborate a bit more? I didn't see IS at all today so I am curious to know if anything particular led to your suspicions?!

Getting this feeling from all the hoopla that JB is going to 'tell' why/what happened in the first minute of his opening that will shock everyone and answer everyone.

We have heard so many things so what else could shock us?

Like I said just a creepy feeling. Sure hope my vibes are wayyyyyyyyyyyy off base.

 

[nursebeeme]

anything new that comes out... outside of the depos and info provided to both sides will be objected to. MOO

that being said what was up with defense questioning on sexual abuse, rape, etc...

they KNOW SOMETHING IS UP (I AM OFF TO START A THREAD. IT DESERVES IT'S OWN)....

So are they worried about this in mittigation? worried it will effect their dp case? I think so...

will they prove it with known liar? who knows what RB was able to dig up. and what 'injuries" casey's brain may have had.. YEAH EFFING RIGHT..

(I have reserved the rest of my comments for my head at the momment which, by the way is about to explode.....they are reserved just because)

 

[Tulessa]

I don't think they will. They are not going to make themselves look any worse than they already do.

They can't do that. They are already there.

 

[allycat1208]

They will definitely deny any abuse allegations, even if they love Casey. I don't think these allegations will be believed by many. Or even if people believe it will not matter. I wouldn't care. I would not even weigh it into the mitigating factors to give her a lesser sentence. There are some implications that because she was possibly abused, she was scared of George. I don't perceive her being scared of him or any of them for that matter. If she was so scared any of them why did she repetitively keep taking money from her mom?

 

[suzet]

*posts respectfully snipped*

Also, IMHO the "abuse story" Casey told has a ring of truth to it for many reasons. For instance, why accuse Lee and make him the major perp? Surely Casey knew that accusing GA would be "easier" since there was more evidence that could be stretched to blame Caylee's death on him. It would have worked better for her defense to accuse GA. In fact she never actually accuses GA - she says she "thinks" he might have done the same thing to her. And why make the "abuse story" so "soft"? Not to downplay molestation, it's horrible and there's no excuse for it. But if Casey's motivation was to make a good story for her defense why not make the "abuse story" much worse? If she had claimed for instance that Lee had actually raped her then she could have used that story later as a mitigating circumstance to claim that she never bonded with Caylee because she thought that Caylee might be the product of an incestuous rape. Caylee's very name could have been used as evidence that Casey was "signaling" her fears about Caylee's parentage to the world. (Yes I know Caylee is neither GA's nor LA's child. I'm saying Casey could have claimed she THOUGHT Caylee was.) Why accuse Lee at all? Isn't he the one that Casey felt she was the closest too? That they had a special bond? .

What about Jesse's story that Casey told him about Lee "trying to have sex with her"? Could this be another Casey lie? Totally. But then again if she ever was going to tell anyone it would have been Jesse. And this was prior to Casey ever needing an abuse excuse for her defense. .

I appreciate your post. You bring up many good points.

To me, though, this whole molestation issue first arose when Jesse G stated that, apparently a few years earlier, KC told Jesse that Lee tried to have sex with her. I believe KC's statement went something like this, "I don't really want to leave Caylee with Lee because he once tried to have sex with me." Once Jesse stated this to LE, then the whole world knew about it. Now I'm probably wrong, but for all we know, chances are the only reason KC ever made this statement to Jesse, could have been because she was going back to work that month at Kodak and was thinking she might like him to babysit Caylee once in a while. Jesse did end up babysitting Caylee in spring 2006 one day per week. Then, KC was angling to get two days a week out of the Grunds and what better way to accomplish this then to have at least Jesse know that she doesn't want to ever leave Caylee with Lee? I dunno, I might be way off the mark here, but that's how I believe this whole thing about Lee got started.

Maybe KC or Jose noticed how the public really picked up on the molestation statement and perhaps KC and Jose thought that using this statement, since KC said this long before Caylee was murdered, that this was not such a bad idea to use in her behalf. And the fact that the statement was made public by someone else (Jesse) and the statement was made long before the crime took place, made it even better. Who knows, maybe little did KC know that a lie she made up in order to guilt the Grunds into taking on more babysitting days (if she indeed made this statement during this time frame) would be made public and if so, I doubt she'd care.

So the answer to why KC chose Lee instead of George to accuse of molestation, is, imo, because Jesse already put the statement out there for her. He unknowingly paved the way.

And the sports bra. That's such a true element. Why was Casey wearing a bra to bed? At the age of twelve?? To me this is the "truest" of all the elements of the story. Many victims of sexual abuse sleep in many layers of clothing as a defense mechanism. .

You know, KC's above statement about a sports bra was, like you said, the "truest" of all the elements of the story. There is a very very small part of me that thinks maybe Lee might have done something inappropriate at some point, like tried to grab KC. I'm torn between thinking that and just realizing that KC is FULL of all kinds of exact details/lies floating around in her head and this sports bra thing could have come from a movie or from a book she read or hearing this from someone in her past. I wonder if anyone out there can come up with a book or movie where someone was sitting there with a flashlight shining on someone in the middle of the night, like KC said Lee did.

KC is a notorious and habitual liar as everyone in her family has pointed out, as well as her friends, so if her statements sound as true as knowing the make, model, and color of every single car owned by every person in non-existent nanny's family, and all the other details of long departed employees at Universal, is it any wonder that she could spit out the details of a sports bra and a flashlight after several months of doing nothing but sitting around the jail all day?

What about GA becoming aggressive towards Jesse when he "caught" them watching a movie, fully clothed and sitting on Casey's bed? According to Jesse GA got into a major snit and threw Jesse out. Seriously!? Casey had already had a child by then. What did GA think he was preventing from happening there? .

From what I remember, George was furious, but it was Cindy that threw Jesse out of the house that night. But regardless, as for saying KC already had a child by then and what did GA (or CA) think they were preventing from happening there?... well, I would say -- from KC having yet another child. I don't think they were wrong in being concerned that KC would get pregnant again if left alone in the house with her boyfriend.

Anyhow - sorry for making this post so long! To wrap it up - do I think Casey was abused? I have no idea. We have no absolute proof whatsoever that anything of that nature ever happened. But there are enough factors that cause the "abuse theory" to not be ruled out either.

I agree that we have no idea, but I do not believe there is any truth in GA abusing KC, at all, though, and that's my opinion. And I guess because the entire family is a pack of liars, we will probably never know because it seems like taking an oath to tell the truth means nothing to any of them. Thanks for reading my looooooooong post.

To answer OP's question, I think that GA and LA will deny the charges.

 

[Mustang Sally]

By the way, I don't think it will be George or Lee, I think the abuse will be from some close family friend or neighbor or relative who took advantage of her when she was young.

I am wondering if Great Grand Father Plesea will be the one accused of sexual abuse on ICA.

Wasn't it mentioned that Great Grand Father Plesea looked after ICA and LA when they were little children?

Does anyone know if he is still alive? If he is not alive then he will not be able to answer for himself....also there will not be anyone to charge with a crime!!

GGM SP should be about 84 years old by now. Does anyone know if she is still alive?

I relistened to her first interview and it sounds like GGP Plesea was really in advanced stages of dementia in the summer of 2008. She really sounded like she was still pretty sharp. If her DH were to be accused of the sexual abuse of ICA, she would be so heartbroken.

Then there is also the chance that Uncle Rick could be the one that JB tries to scapegoat.

This is JMO.....

 

[mydailyopinions]

I remember being a teenager and in love..

I remember once telling my boyfriend that I was afraid of my mom because I had come in late one night. I played whatever roll I had to because the fact was, I was in love, and I wanted him to come and get me and spend his time with me, not where he was with his friends.

Has he anyone ever thought that just Maybe with the way Casey was manipulating people that this was exactly what she was doing? Just trying to get empathy from Jesse?

 

[gngr~snap]

Hmm and RP did tell CA ICA was PG. Guess he could do the math if he was the baby daddy. Could also be why he was so anti- KC to CA. He needed to try and push the ICA is a liar so. he would not get found out. Could also explain a lot CA has said. Wouldn't believe unless a paternity test proved it
just a theory. I DO NOT THINK RP has anything to worry about...
MOO

 

[NocturnalLady]

What I wonder about this though is that I'm not sure ICA being in 'charge' was always the way things went down in this household. We know Jessie said that Cindy would verbally demoralize Casey and that there were times Casey wanted to be just like her Mom, and then times she wanted to be nothing like her. The stealing could have been a passive-aggressive way to get back at everyone in her family that harmed her (in ICA's mind- just putting other ideas out there).

If ICA ruled the house why would she be afraid to tell her parents she wouldn't be graduating? Why wouldn't she just maliciously throw it in their face if she was such a maniacal bully? Why would she lie about half the things she lied about- you'd think she would just want to throw it in their faces with a "what are you going to do about it" attitude, especially after she had Caylee, and had ammunition against them.

I think about Baily Dickens and how they said Cindy was the witch of the street. I remember all of CA's interviews where she bullies the interviewer... bullies Tim Miller, bullies a seasoned LE officer, attempts to bully our very own Tricia... afraid of ICA my azz. Richard Grund, and everyone else on earth said Cindy is the boss... not Casey. Rick said they didn't hold ICA accountable but I certainly didn't get the impression from Shirly or Rick that ICA was the bully running the show in that household. Cindy was and is the boss of that show.

George was ready, willing, and able to go after Casey and Cindy wouldn't let him. Why? Because she was so afraid of ICA? Didn't want to upset the frightening sociopath Casey? No way am I buying that... Casey couldn't hold a candle to Cindy's tyrrany (sp), IMOO.

Cindy was walking on egg shells because Casey had her in a 'head lock' for once- Casey held the keys and the keys were to the location of Caylee. The one thing Cindy wanted more than anything (if she did demand for Casey to keep her, and if Cindy didn't want Casey to get mental health help if Casey was going crazy)! (all of this is just supposition on my part- throwing other theories out there) What if those two things (in and of themselves) are what keep Cindy from wanting to admit that Casey killed Caylee, because she (in her mind if those two things are true (she didn't let Casey put Caylee up for adoption and she didn't help her get treatment when she thought she was going crazy- coupled with a few others like sex abuse)... didn't let things unfold the way they could have and she finds herself where she is today.

I wonder if the ONLY reason the Anthony's walked on eggshells during that time is they knew they needed answers from Casey and if Cindy went after her, she would never get them! She needed and wanted and hoped her treatment of ICA would lead to Caylee not that she was afraid of or bullied by ICA.

Just another way to view things, in regards to this behavior- for what it's worth... another theory to throw out there before opening statements tomorrow! Please don't throw things at me!!!

BBM - I couldn't agree more with that! I think, yes, Casey was not held accountable and made to pay for her mistakes (like not graduating) but I think this only held true as far as Anthony family interaction with the outside world. In those situations it was always someone else's fault & you don't mess with the Anthonys. However, I think AT HOME it was a very different story. I think CA was verbally abusive a lot of the time. I think there was tons of upbraiding of Casey, guilt tripping and with holding of approval. I think this would alternate with periods of time when CA "courted" Casey and wanted her for an ally. If CA was mad at GA for instance then at that time Casey probably got a respite from being the "bad guy" in the house. I think Casey probably never really knew where she stood with CA & it depended on the day.

I think this is partly why Casey seems to be enjoying her power trip right now. She finally holds all the cards and she is making Cindy pay!

 

[NocturnalLady]

*posts respectfully snipped*





I appreciate your post. You bring up many good points.

To me, though, this whole molestation issue first arose when Jesse G stated that, apparently a few years earlier, KC told Jesse that Lee tried to have sex with her. I believe KC's statement went something like this, "I don't really want to leave Caylee with Lee because he once tried to have sex with me." Once Jesse stated this to LE, then the whole world knew about it. Now I'm probably wrong, but for all we know, chances are the only reason KC ever made this statement to Jesse, could have been because she was going back to work that month at Kodak and was thinking she might like him to babysit Caylee once in a while. Jesse did end up babysitting Caylee in spring 2006 one day per week. Then, KC was angling to get two days a week out of the Grunds and what better way to accomplish this then to have at least Jesse know that she doesn't want to ever leave Caylee with Lee? I dunno, I might be way off the mark here, but that's how I believe this whole thing about Lee got started.

Maybe KC or Jose noticed how the public really picked up on the molestation statement and perhaps KC and Jose thought that using this statement, since KC said this long before Caylee was murdered, that this was not such a bad idea to use in her behalf. And the fact that the statement was made public by someone else (Jesse) and the statement was made long before the crime took place, made it even better. Who knows, maybe little did KC know that a lie she made up in order to guilt the Grunds into taking on more babysitting days (if she indeed made this statement during this time frame) would be made public and if so, I doubt she'd care.

So the answer to why KC chose Lee instead of George to accuse of molestation, is, imo, because Jesse already put the statement out there for her. He unknowingly paved the way.



You know, KC's above statement about a sports bra was, like you said, the "truest" of all the elements of the story. There is a very very small part of me that thinks maybe Lee might have done something inappropriate at some point, like tried to grab KC. I'm torn between thinking that and just realizing that KC is FULL of all kinds of exact details/lies floating around in her head and this sports bra thing could have come from a movie or from a book she read or hearing this from someone in her past. I wonder if anyone out there can come up with a book or movie where someone was sitting there with a flashlight shining on someone in the middle of the night, like KC said Lee did.

KC is a notorious and habitual liar as everyone in her family has pointed out, as well as her friends, so if her statements sound as true as knowing the make, model, and color of every single car owned by every person in non-existent nanny's family, and all the other details of long departed employees at Universal, is it any wonder that she could spit out the details of a sports bra and a flashlight after several months of doing nothing but sitting around the jail all day?



From what I remember, George was furious, but it was Cindy that threw Jesse out of the house that night. But regardless, as for saying KC already had a child by then and what did GA (or CA) think they were preventing from happening there?... well, I would say -- from KC having yet another child. I don't think they were wrong in being concerned that KC would get pregnant again if left alone in the house with her boyfriend.



I agree that we have no idea, but I do not believe there is any truth in GA abusing KC, at all, though, and that's my opinion. And I guess because the entire family is a pack of liars, we will probably never know because it seems like taking an oath to tell the truth means nothing to any of them. Thanks for reading my looooooooong post.

To answer OP's question, I think that GA and LA will deny the charges.

You make very valid points - especially about why Casey may have told the story about Lee to Jessie. I agree that there are alternate explanations for pretty much anything Casey has ever said. You just never know what the truth is. It just bothers me that the possibility of the abuse being true seems to be dismissed out of hand.

Also, I remember the flashlight in the face being part of some made for tv movies that involved molestation but can't recall the titles. I think that detail could easily have been picked up off of tv.

 

[Oakley]

What I wonder about this though is that I'm not sure ICA being in 'charge' was always the way things went down in this household. We know Jessie said that Cindy would verbally demoralize Casey and that there were times Casey wanted to be just like her Mom, and then times she wanted to be nothing like her. The stealing could have been a passive-aggressive way to get back at everyone in her family that harmed her (in ICA's mind- just putting other ideas out there).

If ICA ruled the house why would she be afraid to tell her parents she wouldn't be graduating? Why wouldn't she just maliciously throw it in their face if she was such a maniacal bully? Why would she lie about half the things she lied about- you'd think she would just want to throw it in their faces with a "what are you going to do about it" attitude, especially after she had Caylee, and had ammunition against them.

I think about Baily Dickens and how they said Cindy was the witch of the street. I remember all of CA's interviews where she bullies the interviewer... bullies Tim Miller, bullies a seasoned LE officer, attempts to bully our very own Tricia... afraid of ICA my azz. Richard Grund, and everyone else on earth said Cindy is the boss... not Casey. Rick said they didn't hold ICA accountable but I certainly didn't get the impression from Shirly or Rick that ICA was the bully running the show in that household. Cindy was and is the boss of that show.

George was ready, willing, and able to go after Casey and Cindy wouldn't let him. Why? Because she was so afraid of ICA? Didn't want to upset the frightening sociopath Casey? No way am I buying that... Casey couldn't hold a candle to Cindy's tyrrany (sp), IMOO.

Cindy was walking on egg shells because Casey had her in a 'head lock' for once- Casey held the keys and the keys were to the location of Caylee. The one thing Cindy wanted more than anything (if she did demand for Casey to keep her, and if Cindy didn't want Casey to get mental health help if Casey was going crazy)! (all of this is just supposition on my part- throwing other theories out there) What if those two things (in and of themselves) are what keep Cindy from wanting to admit that Casey killed Caylee, because she (in her mind if those two things are true (she didn't let Casey put Caylee up for adoption and she didn't help her get treatment when she thought she was going crazy- coupled with a few others like sex abuse)... didn't let things unfold the way they could have and she finds herself where she is today.

I wonder if the ONLY reason the Anthony's walked on eggshells during that time is they knew they needed answers from Casey and if Cindy went after her, she would never get them! She needed and wanted and hoped her treatment of ICA would lead to Caylee not that she was afraid of or bullied by ICA.

Just another way to view things, in regards to this behavior- for what it's worth... another theory to throw out there before opening statements tomorrow! Please don't throw things at me!!!

Excellent points. I'm also thinking of the time the neighbor reported hearing Casey leave the house cursing at Cindy while Cindy was silent. Might be she was silent to give the impression to the neighbors that Casey was the crazy one, not her. MOO.

 

[txsvicki]

If I remember correctly Casey told Jesse that Lee had tried something with her when he was drunk. She was wanting Jesse to go against his parents wishes and live in sin together. This may also have been around the time that she stole from Lee's roommate? It sounds like typical narcissist scapegoating and turning people against each other. Casey also had people pitted against and hating Cindy, too. I don't think the family will admit sexual abuse, but will probably admit to a few physical outbursts and yelling. If it's true, George's outburst just for Casey and him lying on the bed watching TV is ridiculous, but there is no telling what she'd already told the Anthony's about Jesse when she was angry at him. She had them thinking that Jesse wasn't to be trusted, was stalking her, and might have stolen Caylee. This is a young woman that can not handle relationships, motherhood, boyfriends, job, etc. It's all drama, her being the victim, lies, people hating each other, and hurt.

 

[Friday]

Yes they will deny them and rightfully so. IMHO


Even if Cindy or George attempt to admit to any such allegations, I firmly believe that Lee will get on the stand and debunk what his parents are trying to do for Casey. He certainly will not admit to any of it because he has a life to live, which includes the possibility of his own children someday who he will want to have a relationship with his parents. No way would he ruin his children's future relationship with Cindy and George by going alone with the crap.


If there are to be any bombshells in this case, it's going to come from Lee, telling the truth of how his sister is a liar, a manipulator and will stretch anything to make anyone else look horrible and her be the innocent one. His testimony I pray will be powerful and it will help nail her coffin shut. He can love her all day long and never agree to watching his family take the blame for all of this.
She failed Caylee, he will refuse to. Least, this is what I hope for.

If Cindy and George are accused of abusing ICA verbally, emotionally, and/or physically, I predict they will neither deny nor confirm any such abuse. Instead, I think they will sidestep by saying, "Well, gee, I might have been too strict with Casey at times, because I was worried/tired/overworked/trying to be a good parent, (you choose), but I didn't think at the time I was being "abusive." However, looking back, I can see now how a sensitive girl like Casey could have felt abused, and that's all that really matters, isn't it? I mean. as parents, it was our job to make sure she wasn't misunderstanding our intentions or our opinions of her. We failed in our jobs. We failed Casey.

George will sidestep the sexual abuse accusation by reminding everyone that Casey herself admitted in her letter to inmate that she remembered it as a "dream." He'll say he'd probably have nightmares like that if he were in prison too....

Now, as to Lee: Although I honestly have no opinion about whether or not he molested or attempted to molest ICA, I can't share your confidence or optimism about him. I want to believe he's an honest, sensible, decent guy and sometimes he comes off that way. But there are other times when he strikes me as being sly, devious, combative, outrageously arrogant, convinced of his own superiority, and Really, Really creepy.

I recently watched his "performance" at Caylee's memorial--and was repelled by his sly arrogance as he spoke to/about "CMA" thus baffling and outwitting tens of millions of viewers. He must have been so proud of that, but what was the point? Preserving his privacy, maybe? Can't be that, because he also unashamedly sobbed and pressed kisses all over that bracelet with Caylee's ashes. What kind of performance was that, and what motivates him to behave like that? (Those are rhetorical questions I keep asking myself. LOL)

For many months after that, everything he said and did seemed reasonable, logical, and honest to me, so I decided he was actually a good guy whose previously unpalatable behavior was simply the result of having gone through an emotional holocaust. However......

When he appeared in court the day Chaney Mason had hearing aid issues, my hinky meter went off, big time. Lee strolled to the witness stand, dressed to show his disdain for the importance of the court. He settled himself in the witness chair, mouthed "I love you" to his sister, and--supremely confident and at ease, he joked with (or about?) Chaney Mason's hearing problem. That takes an incredible amount of nerve and gall. Add in a liberal amount of slyness or cleverness when he replied (with a laugh as I recall) "I believe everything my sister tells me."

My prediction is that in reply to whether or not what ICA said about him is true, Lee will say "I believe she believes it. She's always been troubled by vivid nightmares about ghosts and monsters and apparently about me, too.


Having said all that, I do so hope you're right about Lee and I'm wrong.
:waitasec:

 

[kathryann]

After watching IS today I had a creepy feeling that JB is going to say that ICA saw that Caylee was being sexually abused as she had been and that is what brings us to today.

Just a weird creepy feeling.

OMG maybe this IS it. Her excuse for running away with Caylee was that she was being abused just like Casey.

 

[gngr~snap]

OMG maybe this IS it. Her excuse for running away with Caylee was that she was being abused just like Casey.

Which would be too awful to tell anyone. But to then kill your kid? I'd kill the Sicko and sit in jail so she could live. I still think she left Caylee with CA then GA left for work on on 6/16 cause CA forgot to tell him Caylee was there or some wild story, they came home to find Caylee dead in the pool OR CA/GA lost their temper and choked Caylee after ICA left...ICA didn't know for the 31 days. CA made up the nanny a long time ago ICA used it before with with the Grunds so that CA could have Caylee all to herself. The nurse and the cop knew how long to wait until Caylee was skeletonized. Had Access to the car...
CA is NOT and was never worried about ICA facing the DP! Hells,bells CA tried to choke ICA. 6/15!
maybe the neck breaking was CA! after all the "nurse of decomposition" would know how to remove the hyoid bone from the remains.... and it was never found ***no cause of death. IMO CA/GA attempted murder once, who can really say they didn't do it? In fact GA tried to choke ICA too (WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE!). SERIOUSLY??? Imagine if they had NOT BEEN THERE!!! ICA would be dead for THREATENING to expose all the lies! The A's have some explaining to do.
ICA as far as I know NEVER attempted to choke ANYONE!!!! too bad CA and GA can't control themselves. They appear more GUILTY to me that ICA!
MOO

 

[carole]

Which would be too awful to tell anyone. But to then kill your kid? I'd kill the Sicko and sit in jail so she could live. I still think she left Caylee with CA then GA left for work on on 6/16 cause CA forgot to tell him Caylee was there or some wild story, they came home to find Caylee dead in the pool OR CA/GA lost their temper and choked Caylee after ICA left...ICA didn't know for the 31 days. CA made up the nanny a long time ago ICA used it before with with the Grunds so that CA could have Caylee all to herself. The nurse and the cop knew how long to wait until Caylee was skeletonized. Had Access to the car...
CA is NOT and was never worried about ICA facing the DP! Hells,bells CA tried to choke ICA. 6/15!
maybe the neck breaking was CA! after all the "nurse of decomposition" would know how to remove the hyoid bone from the remains.... and it was never found ***no cause of death. IMO CA/GA attempted murder once, who can really say they didn't do it? In fact GA tried to choke ICA too (WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE!). SERIOUSLY??? Imagine if they had NOT BEEN THERE!!! ICA would be dead for THREATENING to expose all the lies! The A's have some explaining to do.
ICA as far as I know NEVER attempted to choke ANYONE!!!! too bad CA and GA can't control themselves. They appear more GUILTY to me that ICA!
MOO

And then they put Caylee's body in the trunk of Casey's car to rot??? Nope. Casey and only Casey is responsible for little Caylee's death.

And I missed the fact that CA/GA attempted murder once before?? Where did you come up with that??

 

[gngr~snap]

And then they put Caylee's body in the trunk of Casey's car to rot??? Nope. Casey and only Casey is responsible for little Caylee's death.

And I missed the fact that CA/GA attempted murder once before?? Where did you come up with that??

I was sorta hypothesizing.
You are right. Choking someone is assault not attempted murder. CA did it to ICA on 6/15 per JG and Lee. GA tried to choke her in front of a house full of people when ICA was released from jail in 2008.
My point is her parents are violent people.
I have never tried to choke anyone.And I have a problem with any parent that would. If ICA grew up and that was the norm... no wonder Caylee is gone. Violence. breeds more violence

 

[carole]

I was sorta hypothesizing.
You are right. Choking someone is assault not attempted murder. CA did it to ICA on 6/15 per JG and Lee. GA tried to choke her in front of a house full of people when ICA was released from jail in 2008.
My point is her parents are violent people.
I have never tried to choke anyone.And I have a problem with any parent that would. If ICA grew up and that was the norm... no wonder Caylee is gone. Violence. breeds more violence

OK, I see what you mean. I've never been choked or tried to choke anyone, either. Yep, violence breeds more violence. Anyway you look at it, this was a really messed up family. Poor sweet Caylee, all she wanted was to love them and for them to love her.

 

[gngr~snap]

OK, I see what you mean. I've never been choked or tried to choke anyone, either. Yep, violence breeds more violence. Anyway you look at it, this was a really messed up family. Poor sweet Caylee, all she wanted was to love them and for them to love her.

Yes, that sweet baby didn't deserve that family!