Will the real TH please stand up?

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I can't speak to Kaine's state of mind or what he wants as facts regarding Terri. I don't know what I would do if my child was missing. I would want facts - facts give me peace of mind. I can quit trying to guess. moo

so let's say LE comes to you and says they have reason to believe that your dd has been the victim of abuse at the hands of an immediate family member. You'd wait for facts and proof before moving out? I'm sorry, but I'm moving out and waiting for the facts and proof later.

Not to mention that we don't know exactly what KH was shown or told. Good on him for protecting baby girl. One missing, or worse, child is enough tyvm.
 
I agree. But once again, it's the cumulative effect of seeing numerous poor choices. Separate out any one of them...okay, not so bad...but there is NOT just "moving violations" that cast doubt on Terri's character.

... Somehow, instead of the teachers' daughter going off to college, she is married to a meth user possibly with AIDS.

...Then she is in another marriage and has her son adopted but soon is off again, disrupting that child, leaving that man.

....Then she is in an adulterous affair with a man whose wife is pregnant.

... Then she is sexting her Yard guy and making suggestions he kill her husband.

...Then her stepson goes missing and she claims to have failed lie detector tests.

...Then, she's telling her husband she loves him right before she starts sexting his old buddy that she hardly knows.

It is the cumulative effect. It's not one thing cherry-picked out by itself.

Likewise, it is the cumulative effective of

....the Landscaper's accusation of MFH

....The fact that Kaine WHO HAD BEEN PROTECTIVE OF HER..believed whatever LE told him about the MFH and successfully got a RO and custody of Baby K.

...The fact that Terri has never spoken in her own defense, spoken of her agony over Kyron, or fought to be with her Toddler child.

...the police fliers targeting HER and her friend.

...the absolute conviction of the parents of this little boy

...the fact her own attorney called her a "de facto suspect."

That's a LOT of stuff coming together IMO. So it is not just her driving record that casts doubt on her character for me or leads me to believe she is a credible suspect. In due time we will know more...but the cumulative effect of all this suffices for me for now.


IMO, it doesn't seem prudent to take nuggets of information or gossip and spin them to support a theory. It makes much more sense to use valid evidence or proof.

Do we know if Terri knew that she was marrying a meth addict with AIDS? I don't--and this piece of information is supposed to support the allegation that Terri made "bad choices" and, therefore, has a questionable character?

Do we know the circumstances of J's adoption? Even the adoptive grandparents didn't give those details, if they ever knew of them.

Do we know that Terri knew that Desiree was pregnant--or what the date was when she found out Desiree was pregnant? Do we know what Kaine told Terri about Desiree being pregnant?

Where does it state that Terri sexted the LS? The "sexual overtures" were what were similar, not the texting. Texting is not a sexual overture, just as making a phone call or mailing a letter is not a sexual overture--it's what is said, or written, that is the sexual overture.

all moo
 
so let's say LE comes to you and says they have reason to believe that your dd has been the victim of abuse at the hands of an immediate family member. You'd wait for facts and proof before moving out? I'm sorry, but I'm moving out and waiting for the facts and proof later.

Not to mention that we don't know exactly what KH was shown or told. Good on him for protecting baby girl. One missing, or worse, child is enough tyvm.

The suspected perp would be moving out, not me and my children. Certainly I would want all the facts LE had so I could determine how to handle the situation. If they had absolute proof, the perp would be arrested...if it was questionable, the perp would be the one to move out until more information could be gathered. Pure speculation since I don't know for sure what I would do. Why would I be the one to move out? :waitasec: moo mho
 
As per the title "Who is the real TH?" I think the real TH got herself into a real big mess, doing all kinds of underhanded stuff, getting mixed up with all kinds of shady characters, and would be a person that can't be trusted. Her stepson has now been missing for 3+ months, and now LE have been investigating this case and finding all kinds of other things that are shocking to them! Just how much of it has to do with Kyron's disappearance will remain to be seen. Obviously her husband did not know the "real TH", nor perhaps other people that thought they knew her.
 
Perhaps I should try this angle. Put yourself in Kaine's and Desiree's place. Kyron is your child.
Your current spouse was the last person to see your child.
Your current spouse has the school call the bio parent to tell them the child is missing - instead of telling them yourself.
You find out that your current spouse didn't fare so well on some of the LD tests.
You find out that your current spouse has talked to others about how 'they suspect me' or 'I failed the LD test!'.
You see your spouse acting unusual while the rest of the family is working diligently on flyers and doing everything they can to cooperate with authorities to find your child.
Your spouse refuses further LD tests.
Your spouse will not answer questions for LE or tell where they were or what they were doing on the day your child disappeared.
Your spouse shows no concern for your child's whereabouts.
Furthermore, your spouse has packed up a box of your child's things and gotten rid of them. Rearranged things in your child's bedroom.
You find out that your spouse tried to hire someone to kill you.
... just to name a few

Are you telling me you would want LE to give you more 'facts' as you continue to lie in the same bed with this person night after night - afterall, there are no 'facts' to support they were directly tied to your missing child?

I really don't know how many of these things you have listed are actual facts nor do I know with any certainty what I would do in the same situation.

I have often thought what Mark Lunsford's family thought when his mother, Ruth, failed her polygraph test or how Steve Greone's family reacted when he failed his.

But I would like to know the actual facts in this case and for those facts to come directly from LE instead of some who may have an understandable bias to twist the truth and embellish.

IMO
 
The suspected perp would be moving out, not me and my children. Certainly I would want all the facts LE had so I could determine how to handle the situation. If they had absolute proof, the perp would be arrested...if it was questionable, the perp would be the one to move out until more information could be gathered. Pure speculation since I don't know for sure what I would do. Why would I be the one to move out? :waitasec: moo mho

The suspected perp DID move out. But it took the threat of a court hearing to make her move out--indeed, Terri finally agreed to leave just hours before the scheduled hearing, which was then canceled after She agreed to leave.

You can't just kick a resident of your home out, if they have established residence at your home. As they were both established residents of the house, Kaine would not have been able to make Terri move out without an eviction order, which he was in the process of getting when she agreed to move out.

Kaine left with Baby K when her learned of the MFH plot and when the pieces started coming together for him, mentally, that Terri just may be responsible for Kyron disappearing. I commend him for doing what it took to keep the baby safe and himself, as the baby's father, safe, EVEN IF it meant sucking it up and leaving HIS own home.
 
will the real "TH" stand up...in due time as advised by her attorney...my goodness...what is she to do at this point...eyes are so upon her for all the obvious reasons as we have learned from her beloved husband and his ex-wife....I don't know of her guilt or innocence...but nor do I of the other parties in this case...does she have some dirty shoes in her closet, I guess, but do we really think the other parties involved in this family, and I mean all parties involved, don't have dirty stinky shoes in their closets.....Maybe they don't...maybe they are just pure saint's....
 
The suspected perp DID move out. But it took the threat of a court hearing to make her move out--indeed, Terri finally agreed to leave just hours before the scheduled hearing, which was then canceled after She agreed to leave.

You can't just kick a resident of your home out, if they have established residence at your home. As they were both established residents of the house, Kaine would not have been able to make Terri move out without an eviction order, which he was in the process of getting when she agreed to move out.

Kaine left with Baby K when her learned of the MFH plot and when the pieces started coming together for him, mentally, that Terri just may be responsible for Kyron disappearing. I commend him for doing what it took to keep the baby safe and himself, as the baby's father, safe, EVEN IF it meant sucking it up and leaving HIS own home.

I was asked a question about what I would do if LE told me they suspected a family member of sexually abusing one of my children. Children molesting children or husband molesting child? I would want to know all that they had.

Come one now - sexual abuse by a family member is a bit different than a LS telling LE months after the fact that he was asked to be part of a MFH plot. Isn't it? If LE is telling me of possible sexual abuse of my child, hopefully they would remove the person themselves until further evidence was gathered.

Not sure I would compare sexual abuse of a child to the accusations of a MFH by a LS six months after the fact. LE still have a duty to warn and Kaine could do what he wants with it. I don't blame him for moving out, although I think I would want to talk to my spouse first. Unless I couldn't stand my spouse and wanted a way out anyway. moo mho
 
Originally Posted by stmarysmead
I agree. But once again, it's the cumulative effect of seeing numerous poor choices. Separate out any one of them...okay, not so bad...but there is NOT just "moving violations" that cast doubt on Terri's character.

... Somehow, instead of the teachers' daughter going off to college, she is married to a meth user possibly with AIDS.

...Then she is in another marriage and has her son adopted but soon is off again, disrupting that child, leaving that man.

....Then she is in an adulterous affair with a man whose wife is pregnant.

... Then she is sexting her Yard guy and making suggestions he kill her husband.

...Then her stepson goes missing and she claims to have failed lie detector tests.

...Then, she's telling her husband she loves him right before she starts sexting his old buddy that she hardly knows.

It is the cumulative effect. It's not one thing cherry-picked out by itself.

Likewise, it is the cumulative effective of

....the Landscaper's accusation of MFH

....The fact that Kaine WHO HAD BEEN PROTECTIVE OF HER..believed whatever LE told him about the MFH and successfully got a RO and custody of Baby K.

...The fact that Terri has never spoken in her own defense, spoken of her agony over Kyron, or fought to be with her Toddler child.

...the police fliers targeting HER and her friend.

...the absolute conviction of the parents of this little boy

...the fact her own attorney called her a "de facto suspect."

That's a LOT of stuff coming together IMO. So it is not just her driving record that casts doubt on her character for me or leads me to believe she is a credible suspect. In due time we will know more...but the cumulative effect of all this suffices for me for now.

IMO, it doesn't seem prudent to take nuggets of information or gossip and spin them to support a theory. It makes much more sense to use valid evidence or proof.

Do we know if Terri knew that she was marrying a meth addict with AIDS? I don't--and this piece of information is supposed to support the allegation that Terri made "bad choices" and, therefore, has a questionable character?

Do we know the circumstances of J's adoption? Even the adoptive grandparents didn't give those details, if they ever knew of them.

Do we know that Terri knew that Desiree was pregnant--or what the date was when she found out Desiree was pregnant? Do we know what Kaine told Terri about Desiree being pregnant?

Where does it state that Terri sexted the LS? The "sexual overtures" were what were similar, not the texting. Texting is not a sexual overture, just as making a phone call or mailing a letter is not a sexual overture--it's what is said, or written, that is the sexual overture.

all moo

On the contrary, a person's behavior and actions all go towards character. If this information wasn't prudent, we wouldn't have trials where people are called to testify on behalf of the accused, also known as 'character witnesses'.

to refresh your memory:

Terri Horman has been sending sext messages...or "sexting" a high school friend of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman's father Kaine. Michael Cook is the same man Terri Horman has allegedy been having a sexual affair with, and the one to whom she violated the court order by showing him the sealed restraining order issued by the judge.

A report on the Today Show this morning included authorities reporting that the sexting has involved Terri Horman sending photos of herself in various stages of undress and performing sexual acts to Michael Cook. She also allowed Michael Cook to photograph the sealed restraining order with his cell phone. The restraining order included Kaine Horman's new address, where he relocated with the couple's 19-month old daughter.
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Please show me where Terri has shown concern, remorse, shed real tears, worry, loss of sleep and so on, for Kyron's disappearance. Afterall, she raised him from just a few months, right? So if she really loved and cared for him, would she not be displaying these reactions? Or cooperating with authorities?

Its disturbing she would go to the gym to work out, pack up his things, rearrange his room, go about her life as if nothing out of the ordinary has occurred.
I can tell you that if my child went missing, the last thing I would be doing is sexting a high school friend of my husband's and sending lewd pictures to him via camera phone.
How does anyone condone her not only allowing MC to see the restraining order, but to photograph it - especially since it had disclosed Kaine's location, which MC looked up online to see where it was?
You don't find it worrisome that she had her friends to buy disposable cell phones so they could have 'private conversations' not detected by LE. OR that she went out the next day and purchased additional phones using the more than likely fictitious name her friends used?
Don't you find it rather cold and uncaring that she had the school notify Desiree that Kyron was missing, instead of telling her herself? All the while sitting in the office at the school while they called Desiree?
 
I was asked a question about what I would do if LE told me they suspected a family member of sexually abusing one of my children. Children molesting children or husband molesting child? I would want to know all that they had.

Come one now - sexual abuse by a family member is a bit different than a LS telling LE months after the fact that he was asked to be part of a MFH plot. Isn't it? If LE is telling me of possible sexual abuse of my child, hopefully they would remove the person themselves until further evidence was gathered.

Not sure I would compare sexual abuse of a child to the accusations of a MFH by a LS six months after the fact. LE still have a duty to warn and Kaine could do what he wants with it. I don't blame him for moving out, although I think I would want to talk to my spouse first. Unless I couldn't stand my spouse and wanted a way out anyway. moo mho

I agree, and he didn't have to talk to her in person, if he was scared of her. He could have called, confronted, then had a police officer escort him to the house to get his things if he did not believe her. The email (or text?) that was released from Terri shows that Kaine did not communicate with her at all, and she was completely blind-sided.
 
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Terri denied the charge immediately after the botched sting...

I do not remember that. What I do remember is that she told reporters that Kaine was still living in the house, even though he had taken baby K and moved out. I am pretty sure she did not discuss the botched sting with those reporters...
 
I wonder which TMH left her son in the hall on a very hectic day since,

“The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures."

That must have been the TMH very secure in the fact her child was fine and leaving him to wander the hall with "300 people" in them was a safe and prudent thing to do. Perhaps her daughter's ailing ear was far more pressing than leaving an obviously siezure prone child in a crowded area without adult supervision.

This scenario actually makes my heart sink.

Where are you angel?
 
I do not remember that. What I do remember is that she told reporters that Kaine was still living in the house, even though he had taken baby K and moved out. I am pretty sure she did not discuss the botched sting with those reporters...
July 6, 2010
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-renewed-hope-missing-grader-alive/story?id=11094002

"Terri Horman denied the allegation when confronted by detectives, the newspaper reported, and she has not been charged, though the investigation is proceeding, the sources told The Oregonian."
 
The suspected perp would be moving out, not me and my children. Certainly I would want all the facts LE had so I could determine how to handle the situation. If they had absolute proof, the perp would be arrested...if it was questionable, the perp would be the one to move out until more information could be gathered. Pure speculation since I don't know for sure what I would do. Why would I be the one to move out? :waitasec: moo mho

just basing it one what happened here. KH moved out. And since it's his house, I suppose he could have forced the drama of making her move immediately. But, instead, he chose to remove the danger immediately and worry about who lives in the house later.

ok...so back to the hypothetical. You say the suspected perp moves out til the dust settles. Based on what LE tells you? And not based on facts and proof?
 
IF Kyron were having these types of seizures? as a caring mother, wouldn't you keep him at home until you could get a medical practitioner to find exactly what was going on, rather than sending him to school to perhaps risk a worse type of occurence of seizure activity, where he could fall down and injure himself badly? Personally i wouldn't be comfortable with such a situation until i had my child checked out properly by a doctor, even if that meant he might have to miss the science fair and some school time.
I don't think Kyron's bio parents were aware of any seizures were they? Even if i called the doctor, i don't think a doctor would dismiss that lightly, and even if the doctor said to send him to school anyway until an appnt. could be arranged, i would still have kept him home and kept an eye on him.
 
I don't know if i see Kaine as the type of guy that would be scared of Terri? I mean he's a guy and she's a female, and she sure doesn't have those big muscles anymore! I'm sure he could have held his own against her!
 
IF Kyron were having these types of seizures? as a caring mother, wouldn't you keep him at home until you could get a medical practitioner to find exactly what was going on, rather than sending him to school to perhaps risk a worse type of occurence of seizure activity, where he could fall down and injure himself badly? Personally i wouldn't be comfortable with such a situation until i had my child checked out properly by a doctor, even if that meant he might have to miss the science fair and some school time.
I don't think Kyron's bio parents were aware of any seizures were they? Even if i called the doctor, i don't think a doctor would dismiss that lightly, and even if the doctor said to send him to school anyway until an appnt. could be arranged, i would still have kept him home and kept an eye on him.

After a certain time, though,you would be risking your parental rights, unless you were homeschooling. But by law, a child HAS to be in school. You can only miss so many days...
 
After a certain time, though,you would be risking your parental rights, unless you were homeschooling. But by law, a child HAS to be in school. You can only miss so many days...
Yes, but wouldn't that depend on how ill you thought your child was and the seriousness of that, unless the school wants to be held responsible if anything serious did happen to your child? Then again i'm sure a doc.'s appnt. could be scheduled fairly promptly if necessary in the circumstance of the child needing to get back to school. I don't think Kyron was having any seizures anyway, i think TH was full of it!
 
Did Kaine or anyone else notice those seizures? I don't think i have read about anyone other than Terri saying that?
 
After a certain time, though,you would be risking your parental rights, unless you were homeschooling. But by law, a child HAS to be in school. You can only miss so many days...

what???? no way. If you have a medical excuse the kid gets held back -- worse case scenario. Yeah, my kid is on chemo and can't make school so I'm risking my parental rights???? what in the heck are you saying????

eta: Based on subsequent posts I want to make clear that the chemo situation is HYPOTHETICAL. I am really, really sorry if I led some very kind people to believe this is my personal scenario. It is not...thank goodness. Again, my sincere apologies.
 
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