Will the real TH please stand up?

[BeanE]

Was Terri really getting death threats and has this been verified?

Yes, you can see some of them on the internet. They're horrifying. Direct and explicit threats.

 

[human]

bbm If that is so, why did the teacher think he was only on an unauthorized bathroom break or getting a drink?

I am hoping that LE and Kyron's parents know much more about TH than is currently being disclosed. So far, I have seen allegations of inappropriate "sexting", not adulterous affairs. I have heard of liquor bottles mysteriously being depleted, but not of drunken behavior. There has been a claim of murder for hire that occurred at least 6 months prior to June, but no report to police until the LS was questioned regarding Kyron's disappearance.

We have heard ad nauseum, challenges for TH to "do the right thing". Has anyone ever wondered about the pecularity of that oft repeated phrase?

I simply do not understand the wisdom of demonizing the one person who is believed to hold the key to the child's whereabouts. I think the investigation has been badly mishandled from the beginning. It appears, to me at least, that a trial by public opinion is playing out based upon suspicion, innuendo and alleged nefarious behavior. My mother used to always tell me that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. TH's life has already been totally trashed, she has lost her daughter, her home, her reputation. What does she gain by disclosing whatever it is they she she knows or has done?

If one is sneaking alcohol, one is an alcoholic An alcoholic may not appear drunk If you did not know, you may have no clue that a person is an alcoholic and has had quite a bit to drink..

You can try catching flies, but at some point you have to notice the scorpion..

 

[human]

While this whole not fighting the RO is a bit of a sticking point for me, I can see how it would be near impossible to dis-prove what LE has said about the murder plot. What, really, can she say other than "no, I didn't" and if LE is saying "yes, she did", not sure the judge would listen to her. And we know she can't care for her baby at this time. I'm just back and forth on this...I would think she would want to fight for at least some visitation, even supervised, but can also understand that she may have been told it is futile.

I cannot see one reason, not one, that she could not have supervised visitation. I have seen convicted violent scumbags get supervised visitation.

You go to a center that has staff and supervises the visitation. They even have separate doors so you do to see the other person.

 

[human]

When I saw the title of this thread I thought "wow Terri has finally talked!":crazy:

Terri sure doesn't need her child in her presence if she is receiving death threats. We see how kooky some people can really be in our society.

Until Terri actually speaks out it is very hard to even know what is true and what is not. When only one side talks the real truth is never learned imo. Just half truths or somewhere in between. And I tend to discount a lot of things said when the person speaking out has their own personal biases to do so...even if some of them have a right to those biases. It just clouds the truth many times, imo.

I always found that odd. If she was so determined to find a hit man then why didn't she just get someone else? I would really like to know the truth of what she said. People, although illogical, can say in frustration "I wish he/she was dead" or "I wish I could hire someone to kill xxxxxx" and not really mean it literally at the time but just a way to vent.

I still don't understand why the landscaper supposed hit man laid low until police sought him out 6 or 7 months later if he really thought she was serious.

I don't put much into the sexting. Strange things happen in emotional domestic relationships. Kaine had already moved out and filed for divorce....cant get much plainer than that.... so I think she wanted to convince herself she didn't need Kaine at all and would just go onto someone else. It was irrational though but then so was the female Doctor's decision to climb a roof and try to go down the chimney in order to get into her boyfriend's house that we recently read about.


IMO

so, a person wants a hit man. Like where do you start looking?

And once the hit man has completed the job and collected his/her fee, why would someone feel safe? After all, the person just killed one's spouse. So obviously killing is not an issue with the hit man and the hit man just might off me for the heck of it.

The landscaper may not have wanted any hassle in his/her life. Best to run away and have nothing to do with a nut. I think a lot of people just don't want to get involved. we see that all of the time on the news. Girls get raped, and no one does anything but watch.

 

[Calliope]

Nope. They can use anything she says in a civil case against her in a criminal case for impeachment purposes. They cannot use her refusal to testify though.

ok, I misunderstood AZ's answer (or wasn't clear with my question--- or both). Then it makes sense she'd be advised not to fight the RO.

 

[Calliope]

That doesn't cover all the possible ways her testimony under oath in a civil case could be used against her in a criminal trial, though. At least, I don't think so.

Say, for instance, in a civil court TMH goes on the stand and KH's attorney asks her... well, just about anything. If there is any deviation, no matter how tiny, between what she has said to LE previously and her testimony under oath, in a criminal trial the DA could use that deviation to impeach her as a witness.

An example of how such tiny deviations can help impeach a witness is the varying times that have been put forward as to when TMH left school. Was it 8:35? 8:45? 9:00? I think it's possible that there is an innocent explanation for the various times put forward (depending on the importance of the communication, she was either more precise or rounded off).

The criminal jury isn't given the findings of any civil jury but testimony under oath in a civil matter can be used to show that the witness has lied (prosecutor's interpretation) or made some simple human errors (defence interpretation).

I doubt such evidence would be enough to convict or exonerate but it can act as one of the bricks of the foundation of a case.

Yeah, that makes sense. It was my fault for not understanding what AZ was saying, and not making my question clear in the first place.

I have thought all along the risk would be far too high for her attorneys to agree to have her fight the RO. This just confirms my previous thoughts on the matter.

 

[txsvicki]

I think I missed a press conference where Kaine said that Terri drank herself to sleep at night. I'm wondering how long that had been going on and how a hangover affected her the next morning. Also, I'm not a Terri supporter, but MC taking a pic of Kaine's address on the RO with his cell phone does seem like a preplanned setup. Terri may have a lot of info to come in the future through her attorneys. I don't believe there's any way she's going to just give up her child.

 

[gwenabob]

Don't schools have rules against bringing other younger children into the classroom while in session? I'd kind of resent if one parent was allowed to do that all the time.

Suppose that young child got seriously hurt while in the classroom, and you had to sue the school because the insurance makes an issue of why that child was hanging around in the classroom to begin with.

I think Kyron probably loved his little sister though and didn't resent her.

Thank you. I believe it is totally inappropriate for the baby to be celebrating her birthday in Kyron's class. It only points once again to Terri's narcissism. "What? Doesn't EVERYONE want to celebrate baby K's birthday?"

With the standards teacher have these days with No Child Left Behind, they barely have time to note birthdays for the children in their own classroom, much less their siblings as well. Many schools have cut way back on PE, recess, lunch times, etc. in order to fit in the amount of time required in each subject in order to comply with state and federal guidelines. There is little time to put aside for babies and their birthdays. Baby K will be in school soon enough and she can celebrate her birthdays then. It's not like she would even remember her first birthday anyway.

I am guessing the teacher was intimidated into complying with TH in order to keep the peace. It was absolutely ridiculous and presumptuous for TH to even suggest such a thing. I believe it only points once again to TH gets what TH wants, no matter who she has to step on to get it.

 

[gwenabob]

Yes, you can see some of them on the internet. They're horrifying. Direct and explicit threats.

Really? I have not seen one. Could you point me to some links of these threats please? Thanks in advance.

 

[sorrell skye]

Absolutely. Guilty or not, it's certainly not safe for baby to be with Terri at this point.

I do wonder if they have any evidence of her attempting to recruit anyone else. Why would she stop with just the landscaper?

I agree that if TH has been receiving death threats, it is not safe for baby K to be with her.

Here's what I wonder, though: is LE investigating the alleged death threats against TH? If not, why not?

The alleged MFHP against KH was obviously taken seriously by LE - enough so that LE advised KH to immediately move out of the family home & to file for an RO.

Has LE advised TH in the same manner? Are those who have allegedly made death threats against TH being investigated?

Or are the death threats against TH being chalked up to *kooks* and not worthy of LE's time, whereas the LS (who LE had to literally track down months later, whereupon the LS came up with his bizarre MFHP claim) is somehow totally believable.

Let me see if I understand this correctly: LE learns of an alleged *death threat* against KH 6-7 months after it supposedly was discussed (as far as we know, no money was exchanged, it never went beyond the verbal phase, and KH is still obviously alive). Yet TH allegedly receives *death threats* (according to Mr. Houze) and as far as anyone knows (since LE nor the media has commented further on it) no action has been taken by LE in terms of who made the threats or whether or not the alleged threats were serious.

What's wrong with this picture?

Oh - I know - Terri is a liar, and any so-called threats against her are automatically assumed to therefore be lies. Not to worry.

Hypothetical scenario: what if she winds up dead under suspicious circumstances? I mean, after all the expected public cheering & celebrating over an an alleged child-kidnapper-murderer getting her comeuppance subsided, what then?

How would LE explain themselves - if they indeed hadn't taken the alleged death threats against her seriously?

IMO, it seems the general public doesn't take the death threats against TH seriously.

I find this disturbing.

MOO

 

[gwenabob]

I agree that if TH has been receiving death threats, it is not safe for baby K to be with her.

Here's what I wonder, though: is LE investigating the alleged death threats against TH? If not, why not?

The alleged MFHP against KH was obviously taken seriously by LE - enough so that LE advised KH to immediately move out of the family home & to file for an RO.

Has LE advised TH in the same manner? Are those who have allegedly made death threats against TH being investigated?

Or are the death threats against TH being chalked up to *kooks* and not worthy of LE's time, whereas the LS (who LE had to literally track down months later, whereupon the LS came up with his bizarre MFHP claim) is somehow totally believable.

Let me see if I understand this correctly: LE learns of an alleged *death threat* against KH 6-7 months after it supposedly was discussed (as far as we know, no money was exchanged, it never went beyond the verbal phase, and KH is still obviously alive). Yet TH allegedly receives *death threats* (according to Mr. Houze) and as far as anyone knows (since LE nor the media has commented further on it) no action has been taken by LE in terms of who made the threats or whether or not the alleged threats were serious.

What's wrong with this picture?

Oh - I know - Terri is a liar, and any so-called threats against her are automatically assumed to therefore be lies. Not to worry.

Hypothetical scenario: what if she winds up dead under suspicious circumstances? I mean, after all the expected public cheering & celebrating over an an alleged child-kidnapper-murderer getting her comeuppance subsided, what then?

How would LE explain themselves - if they indeed hadn't taken the alleged death threats against her seriously?

IMO, it seems the general public doesn't take the death threats against TH seriously.

I find this disturbing.

MOO

Where are all these "death threats?" I get around pretty good and am a local. I have not seen any death threats. I only read that DD slept with a fire extinguisher at TH's house after Kaine left because of "death threats." But I have seen nothing concrete or in writing. I would love to see some links to these death threats. Thanks.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I agree that if TH has been receiving death threats, it is not safe for baby K to be with her.

Here's what I wonder, though: is LE investigating the alleged death threats against TH? If not, why not?

The alleged MFHP against KH was obviously taken seriously by LE - enough so that LE advised KH to immediately move out of the family home & to file for an RO.

Has LE advised TH in the same manner? Are those who have allegedly made death threats against TH being investigated?

Or are the death threats against TH being chalked up to *kooks* and not worthy of LE's time, whereas the LS (who LE had to literally track down months later, whereupon the LS came up with his bizarre MFHP claim) is somehow totally believable.

Let me see if I understand this correctly: LE learns of an alleged *death threat* against KH 6-7 months after it supposedly was discussed (as far as we know, no money was exchanged, it never went beyond the verbal phase, and KH is still obviously alive). Yet TH allegedly receives *death threats* (according to Mr. Houze) and as far as anyone knows (since LE nor the media has commented further on it) no action has been taken by LE in terms of who made the threats or whether or not the alleged threats were serious.

What's wrong with this picture?

Oh - I know - Terri is a liar, and any so-called threats against her are automatically assumed to therefore be lies. Not to worry.

Hypothetical scenario: what if she winds up dead under suspicious circumstances? I mean, after all the expected public cheering & celebrating over an an alleged child-kidnapper-murderer getting her comeuppance subsided, what then?

How would LE explain themselves - if they indeed hadn't taken the alleged death threats against her seriously?

IMO, it seems the general public doesn't take the death threats against TH seriously.

I find this disturbing.

MOO

Do ya think that maybe LE has her parent's house under surveillance? Not to just watch her, but to protect her, if need be. I doubt if it's up to the general public to protect Terri. I'm sure the general public thinks it's disgusting for any one to make death threats. Be it by Terry or anyone else.

 

[Calliope]

Really? I have not seen one. Could you point me to some links of these threats please? Thanks in advance.

Links? I doubt they would be allowed here. In any case, I don't believe Houze would lie about that.

 

[Calliope]

Where are all these "death threats?" I get around pretty good and am a local. I have not seen any death threats. I only read that DD slept with a fire extinguisher at TH's house after Kaine left because of "death threats." But I have seen nothing concrete or in writing. I would love to see some links to these death threats. Thanks.

Do you have any thoughts on why she would require a police escort into court (IIRC, she was accompanied by 3 officers)? Rather unusual move, I'd think, for someone not yet charged and appearing in a civil case to boot.

 

[gwenabob]

Links? I doubt they would be allowed here. In any case, I don't believe Houze would lie about that.

Well, ok. Paraphrase and say where you saw it. I just haven't seen any death threats.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Do you have any thoughts on why she would require a police escort into court (IIRC, she was accompanied by 3 officers)? Rather unusual move, I'd think, for someone not yet charged and appearing in a civil case to boot.

IMO that's LE protecting her.

 

[Calliope]

Well, ok. Paraphrase and say where you saw it. I just haven't seen any death threats.

I didn't mean to imply that you had.

 

[Calliope]

IMO that's LE protecting her.

Exactly.

 

[cluciano63]

I have seen comments on various news sites and the like that pretty much could be taken as death threats. If I were her, I would feel threatened by the public. I think that is all some posters are trying to say. (and others might believe that she deserves to feel threatened...)

 

[Calliope]

I have seen comments on various news sites and the like that pretty much could be taken as death threats. If I were her, I would feel threatened by the public. I think that is all some posters are trying to say. (and others might believe that she deserves to feel threatened...)

Wasn't her phone listed on the RO, too?