Will the real TH please stand up?

[nonfictionrocks]

I'm confused. I believe it was posted here yesterday that there was a great deal of support for Terri on the Internet (I can't say because this is my "primary website for this type of conversation) I believe this was said in reference to Kaine and Desiree's media style.

And there is a website just for Teri's support I believe.

I am confused too. In light of what happened to DeDe, I was referring to people who actually know TH and are willing to speak on MSM.

I am not sure but IMO, I think it is safe to say that for every site "supporting" TH, there are 2 or 3 against her.

WS is my primary website as well but I cannot deny lurking other sites :innocent:

 

[debs]

Child endangerment? It happened during the course of a DUI, but I don't think it would or should be classified as a "traffic offense."

Still and again, it appears her DUI and the subsequent charge of endangerment showed her that she needed to be much more mindful and has never had this problem again.

 

[Scamperoo]

With great respect, what circumstantial evidence is there? We have yet to see evidence of any substance and the circumstantial evidence so far goes to support Terri. She was not the last person to see Kyron, at 9pm when the last sighting of him was supposedly reported, according to LE, she was in Fred Myer's store 7 miles away from the school. The receipt clearly shows her going through the line at 9:12 am, she couldn't have been at school at 9am. As far as I know the MFH plot has never been proven even by the most lax of evidential requirements, in fact LE on taking this landscapers word for it was made to look sheepish by having their #1 suspect call...911 on them. The rest is innuendo, her choice of lifestyle and the need to lay blame due to the horrible nature of the crime. I can't say she didn't do it I am as open to her being guilty as anyone else but the evidence so far circumstantial or otherwise just isn't there...yet.

 

[mayagrl]

Respectfully SBM

I did not come into this with an opinion either way, especially not an opinion like TH is guilty, guilty, guilty and an evil wicked woman.

I've seen a lot of (circumstantial) evidence that has led me to believe she is guilty, guilty, guilty and an evil and wicked woman.

I'd rather not. But when I put everything together, that's the conclusion I am forced to face. I know many of the posters here (on both sides) have given this alot of time, thought and consideration, and I don't believe any of us on this particular forum came to our conclusions lightly, nor do I believe we derive any pleasure in considering what may have happened to Kyron after he disappeared and who may have done so.

I can not wait until this case is resolved, Kyron is brought home, and justice is served. (however that may play out.)

Thank you for that post it is a good reminder when I want to :banghead: when people defend Terri. I think she is guilty and IMO she's pretty unstable woman if her past acts are taken into account. But this case is weird, could be that Terri brought someone into contact with Kyron through a kinky lifestyle IDK, but being a former techie, the mind goes to look at the simpliest most common solution(s) first and then the more complicated and rare after those are eliminated. Unfortunatly for TH, LE has not eliminated her. That is the central reason I think she is guilty. I don't buy conspiracy theories in this case, too high profile and too much on the line. Until she's cleared by LE, I mean they come out and say we have eliminated Terri as a suspect, that is where I stay.

That being said, I wish Kaine and Desiree would refuse any more comments about Terri. I understand early on the reasons they came out the way they did and I believe what they said, but especially Tony Young. But, I think it adds fodder to Houze's cannons. Also, it sickens me to see someone ask "Do you believe your son is alive?" That implies the asker thinks he's dead and to me just torture. I think that question ticked DY on Oprah. Anyway, good discussion you guys are all so patient and have good ideas, even the ones I ultimately disagree with :angel: and if I read as much as I post I'd probably be better off. :innocent:

 

[StellaLuna]

Well, I have had zero offenses of any kind. I think 9 offenses over 16 years is quite high. And I bet her insurance company agrees with me. And I am not sure I would characterize a .15 DUI and a child endangerment offense as "traffic offenses." They are quite serious. I would not be surprised if the child endangerment charge interfered with her getting a full time teaching position.

I agree. 9 offenses is a lot, even over a lifetime! This shows a lack of respect for the law, for others on the road and even her own child. There is a mentality that she will do whatever she wants, regardless how it could hurt other people. The same theme continues with the sexting to MC and the MFH. Her wants, her needs only.

 

[debs]

Thank you for that post it is a good reminder when I want to :banghead: when people defend Terri. I think she is guilty and IMO she's pretty unstable woman if her past acts are taken into account. But this case is weird, could be that Terri brought someone into contact with Kyron through a kinky lifestyle IDK, but being a former techie, the mind goes to look at the simpliest most common solution(s) first and then the more complicated and rare after those are eliminated. Unfortunatly for TH, LE has not eliminated her. That is the central reason I think she is guilty. I don't buy conspiracy theories in this case, too high profile and too much on the line. Until she's cleared by LE, I mean they come out and say we have eliminated Terri as a suspect, that is where I stay.

That being said, I wish Kaine and Desiree would refuse any more comments about Terri. I understand early on the reasons they came out the way they did and I believe what they said, but especially Tony Young. But, I think it adds fodder to Houze's cannons. Also, it sickens me to see someone ask "Do you believe your son is alive?" That implies the asker thinks he's dead and to me just torture. I think that question ticked DY on Oprah. Anyway, good discussion you guys are all so patient and have good ideas, even the ones I ultimately disagree with :angel: and if I read as much as I post I'd probably be better off. :innocent:

As an observation, before either answered that question, they spent a moment looking at one another before nodding. Take it for a mere observation and with no outcome or meaning applied.

 

[debs]

I agree. 9 offenses is a lot, even over a lifetime! This shows a lack of respect for the law, for others on the road and even her own child. There is a mentality that she will do whatever she wants, regardless how it could hurt other people. The same theme continues with the sexting to MC and the MFH. Her wants, her needs only.

My sister (a fellow poster, love you Laura!!!) is a horrible driver. Swear to GOD! it's taking your life into your hands to get in her car. Anywhere else, she's the sweetest person I know. She would give you the shirt off her back and never expect anything in return. A disregard for traffic laws goes on everywhere. I have yet to be on the road where I haven't been astounded at the way some people drive. Being a bad driver doesn't lead one to kidnapping and/or murder.

 

[FORDANIEL]

Other than the DUI (and the endangerment because her son was in the car), her "trouble with the law" consists of those 9 traffic offenses over a period of 16 years.

Maybe I am wrong or just very careful,however I would consider 9 driving offenses A LOT.I have one in over 45 yrs of driving,a speeding ticket going 6 miles over the limit,which was dismissed in court.no accidents,no other offenses.To me 9 is A LOT!!!!

 

[gardeness]

My sister (a fellow poster, love you Laura!!!) is a horrible driver. Swear to GOD! it's taking your life into your hands to get in her car. Anywhere else, she's the sweetest person I know. She would give you the shirt off her back and never expect anything in return. A disregard for traffic laws goes on everywhere. I have yet to be on the road where I haven't been astounded at the way some people drive. Being a bad driver doesn't lead one to kidnapping and/or murder.

My husband gets pulled over regularly--usually for no seat belt or speeding (he somehow averages tickets for about half the times he's pulled over--I rarely get pulled over, but pretty much always get a ticket!). He is a wonderful husband, father, son, and friend--I would never speculate on someone's character based on how many "moving violations" they have...

 

[miabellamoure]

My sister (a fellow poster, love you Laura!!!) is a horrible driver. Swear to GOD! it's taking your life into your hands to get in her car. Anywhere else, she's the sweetest person I know. She would give you the shirt off her back and never expect anything in return. A disregard for traffic laws goes on everywhere. I have yet to be on the road where I haven't been astounded at the way some people drive. Being a bad driver doesn't lead one to kidnapping and/or murder.

It certainly could...vehicular manslaughter.

Just because one is a horrible driver does not mean that person (not directed at your sister) has a disregard for their own safety but, it shows their disregard to others on the road, too...not good!

 

[FORDANIEL]

Being a bad driver,CAN make someone guilty of reckless homicide,or worse,definately a liability.IMO a disregard for traffic laws,while it may be rampant,is endangering the lives of others,irresponsible,and dangerous! JMOO.Reckless behavior takes a certain mind set,in my opinion and concern for the welfare of others is not one of them!!!!

 

[miabellamoure]

Being a bad driver,CAN make someone guilty of reckless homicide,or worse,definately a liability.IMO a disregard for traffic laws,while it may be rampant,is endangering the lives of others,irresponsible,and dangerous! JMOO.Reckless behavior takes a certain mind set,in my opinion and concern for the welfare of others is not one of them!!!!

While I agree with you on just about everything you've said, I'd like to add there are people who just don't think...literally. They're wrapped up in the minute of what they're doing and have no thoughts of the...what ifs.

What if I don't wear a seat belt today and I am killed in a car accident that leaves my wife a widow & my children without a father.

What if I just roll thru that stop sign because there's usually nobody coming thru...but, today a mother does with her children in the car...slam...I survive but, I've just now killed an entire family.

 

[eyes4crime]

Copied from stmarymead's post:

**respectfully snipped**
It tells me she drove drunk with her child in the car.

Many things I would do if only MY life and limb were at stake, I would NEVER (and I mean NEVER) do if it put anyone else in danger, much less my child. But I'll go farther...driving drunk puts everyone on the ROAD in danger. No slack, sorry.

Congratulations on your sobriety when driving. Having worked in the field of addiction, it's rare to find anyone who hasn't had a couple drinks and than get in their car for the ride home. Many successful people find sobriety in AA but most have several DUI's in their past.

Congrats again. moo mho

 

[Calliope]

Child endangerment? It happened during the course of a DUI, but I don't think it would or should be classified as a "traffic offense."

I didn't think the endangerment was included in the total ?

The point is, her record (minus the endangerment charge) are traffic offenses. And the endangerment charge results from a traffic offense. I'm quite certain that if she had this extensive criminal background beyond the traffic charges, the media would have uncovered it by now.

 

[Calliope]

Copied from stmarymead's post:

**respectfully snipped**
It tells me she drove drunk with her child in the car.

Many things I would do if only MY life and limb were at stake, I would NEVER (and I mean NEVER) do if it put anyone else in danger, much less my child. But I'll go farther...driving drunk puts everyone on the ROAD in danger. No slack, sorry.

Congratulations on your sobriety when driving. Having worked in the field of addiction, it's rare to find anyone who hasn't had a couple drinks and than get in their car for the ride home. Many successful people find sobriety in AA but most have several DUI's in their past.

Congrats again. moo mho

One drink before getting behind the wheel is one too many, IMO, regardless of whether you've hit the legal limit. But I think we'd be hard pressed to find too many people (of those who drink anything at all) who've not done so at some point in their lives.

 

[stmarysmead]

My husband gets pulled over regularly--usually for no seat belt or speeding (he somehow averages tickets for about half the times he's pulled over--I rarely get pulled over, but pretty much always get a ticket!). He is a wonderful husband, father, son, and friend--I would never speculate on someone's character based on how many "moving violations" they have...

I agree. But once again, it's the cumulative effect of seeing numerous poor choices. Separate out any one of them...okay, not so bad...but there is NOT just "moving violations" that cast doubt on Terri's character.

... Somehow, instead of the teachers' daughter going off to college, she is married to a meth user possibly with AIDS.

...Then she is in another marriage and has her son adopted but soon is off again, disrupting that child, leaving that man.

....Then she is in an adulterous affair with a man whose wife is pregnant.

... Then she is sexting her Yard guy and making suggestions he kill her husband.

...Then her stepson goes missing and she claims to have failed lie detector tests.

...Then, she's telling her husband she loves him right before she starts sexting his old buddy that she hardly knows.

It is the cumulative effect. It's not one thing cherry-picked out by itself.

Likewise, it is the cumulative effective of

....the Landscaper's accusation of MFH

....The fact that Kaine WHO HAD BEEN PROTECTIVE OF HER..believed whatever LE told him about the MFH and successfully got a RO and custody of Baby K.

...The fact that Terri has never spoken in her own defense, spoken of her agony over Kyron, or fought to be with her Toddler child.

...the police fliers targeting HER and her friend.

...the absolute conviction of the parents of this little boy

...the fact her own attorney called her a "de facto suspect."

That's a LOT of stuff coming together IMO. So it is not just her driving record that casts doubt on her character for me or leads me to believe she is a credible suspect. In due time we will know more...but the cumulative effect of all this suffices for me for now.

 

[craftybatchy]

I would be very interested to know the nature of the traffic violations. We know there was a DUI. What about speeding, failure to stop, failure to yield ?

Nine traffic violations might sound like a lot. Still, consider the amount of time she may have spent on the road. Commuting back and forth to classes, shuttling her oldest son to school, friends homes, sports activities, dropping him off with his dad for parenting time. The more time you spend on the road, the more opportunity there is to break a rule. NOT excusing, just explaining.

AFTR, I would not have referred her to diversion. Driving impaired is bad enough. With a child in the car = throw the entire book at her, several times.

 

[Calliope]

Maybe I am wrong or just very careful,however I would consider 9 driving offenses A LOT.I have one in over 45 yrs of driving,a speeding ticket going 6 miles over the limit,which was dismissed in court.no accidents,no other offenses.To me 9 is A LOT!!!!

My 75 year old father has had no tickets in his lifetime of driving.

Yet he has told me of his past penchant for drag racing and he apparently had quite the lead foot in his youth. Was just lucky enough never to have been caught, I guess.

No tickets doesn't mean no mistakes. Like the detective said on the video posted ('don't talk to the police'), everyone makes mistakes driving, and if they follow you long enough they will find a reason to pull you.

I'm just not seeing how these traffic offenses, even the DUI, equate to child-abduction/murder.

 

[Mylou]

The greatest difficulty I have with who is TH really, is the photos of Kyron.

I really try not to view them very often as they really upset me, but I spent some time last night looking over photos.

What I see is that Kyron loved Terri. I can see it in his eyes, he doesn't look afraid of her in the least, he looks very happy. To me the eyes don't lie. Especially the eyes of a child.
There are so many photos of Kyron , many taken by TH.

This is really one of the main things that keep me leaning on the side of she couldn't have done anything to Kyron.

If she did do something, I can tell you now, I will feel devastated totally, because his eyes are so loving and trusting.

 

[loves2bmom]

I still would like to know why these infractions show up at all on a background check. Like I mentioned upthread, none of mine do. If anyone has access to background checks and has a few tickets....could you run a little check for me and see if they show up? :waitasec: