Will there be charges on Shawn for the CP in the near future?

[Oriah]

It sure does look like some LE are onto the CP situation, at least in TX. And this is just the beginning of the list-

http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl033011.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl031811a.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl031711.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl031511.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl022511.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl012811.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl011811a.htm
http://dallas.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dl010711.htm

 

[belimom]

IMO~ SA & BD will be arrested and put away for life. As well as many others, I believe they are watching them, as well as any and everyone they continue to associate with, while the forensic computer investigation continues to expose how many people are linked to the CP. Having them behind bars at this time must be less important than the additional knowledge that can be gained by allowing them to remain free.
MOO

I wonder if they may be hoping that someone associated with the CP may come forward and broker a deal in exchange for more info on SA, BD, and/or Hailey.

 

[lillys]

BBM

I do believe they found CP in BD's home on the memory sticks...I think Sheriff Toombs cleared that up, I will look for a link. However. Of course they CARE ABOUT THE CHILD ! Goodness to say that don't just blows me away! I cannot imagine anyone - from LE to Joe citizen that would have a "oh well" it's just a little bit of child , who really cares...attitude. You can bet your life on the fact they very much "CARE" about the child !

Yes, Sheriff Toombs cleared that up.
I hope SA is locked away for being a pedophile who downloads and watches child . For that, he IS a pedophile. He will attack a child again.

 

[tezi]

Yes, Sheriff Toombs cleared that up.
I hope SA is locked away for being a pedophile who downloads and watches child . For that, he IS a pedophile. He will attack a child again.

I agree with you 100%. I also think that BD is a pedophile, and she should be locked away just like SA. Anyone who watches CP needs to be locked away, not just these two.

JMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers.

 

[tehcloser]

I just don't think one can be a "little bit" involved in child . Throw the book at both of them. IMO.

 

[Pink Panther]

I think they will be able to charge him for one or two images that have appeared within the 109,000 images. Good enough. They should charge him on whatever they can. I just don't see him as being smart enough to be involved in anything more significant but I do see him as being stooopid enough to have inadvertedly downloaded something illegal...

jmo

 

[Pink Panther]

I just don't think one can be a "little bit" involved in child . Throw the book at both of them. IMO.

Sure it's possible if he's stupid (which I think he is). He seems to have spent a lot of time downloading "general" (which I abhor but which isn't illegal). He probably downloaded a couple of CP in there as well...I hope they get him on it regardless but I just don't see him as a maverick " ring leader"...

jmo

 

[tehcloser]

Sure it's possible if he's stupid (which I think he is). He seems to have spent a lot of time downloading "general" (which I abhor but which isn't illegal). He probably downloaded a couple of CP in there as well...I hope they get him on it regardless but I just don't see him as a maverick " ring leader"...

jmo

lol, not the leader........simply the "grunt". That's why I think it's taking so long, they are looking for the big fish.

 

[Tugela]

Yes, Sheriff Toombs cleared that up.
I hope SA is locked away for being a pedophile who downloads and watches child . For that, he IS a pedophile. He will attack a child again.

I don't recall him clearing it up. Perhaps you could post a link.

I would rely on what was in the SW affidavit, since that would present anything they had for probable cause, and they only mention what the FBI found as deleted files on the mothers computer (interestingly, the wording in the affidavit suggests that the bulk of the was not deleted) and the single "possible" image found on the grandmothers computer. If they had CP on an item that exclusively belonged to SA they would be mentioned it for sure. The affidavit is more reliable than anything Toombs says because it is a sworn statement from the person actually looking at this stuff, whereas Toombs is a politician with one or more layers of management that communicates between him and the people who actually do the investigation.

In any case if they found CP on the memory stick SA would be in jail right now. IMO Toombs would love to arrest SA pretty much for anything at this point. Their investigation of HD's dissappearance appears to be going nowhere and he is a politician after all. His constituents are probably getting restless and want someone punished for something, anything. The CP would do it, but unfortunately the CP they know about (however tenous the link to SA might be) is in another Sheriffs county, ie they don't have jurisdiction since that is a separate and unrelated crime. The Howard county sheriff is under no pressure to get things "solved" whatever the cost....soooo...Toombs has to find CP in HIS county, and IMO that is the reason for doing these search warrants.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all turns out. But, if they find nothing (as I suspect will be the case) we will probably hear nothing and be left wondering.

 

[tehcloser]

Why does Toombs HAVE to find Hailey in HIS county? Why not Scurry County, after all that is where SA showed some "truth" according to the warrants. No one knows what county Hailey is in at this point so none of them are feeling like they HAVE to find her in a certain county.

 

[Tugela]

Why does Toombs HAVE to find Hailey in HIS county? Why not Scurry County, after all that is where SA showed some "truth" according to the warrants. No one knows what county Hailey is in at this point so none of them are feeling like they HAVE to find her in a certain county.

He doesn't have to find HD in his county. If the crime involving her was committed there then he would have jurisdiction. But in the CP case the crime took place in other counties as far as we can tell, so THOSE sheriffs have jurisdiction, not Toombs. If he wanted to charge anyone with respect to CP, he would have to find CP in HIS county.

 

[hollyblue]

This article says "thousands" of images of CP were found on the computer. ????

Thousands of images of child were discovered on a computer confiscated from Adkins' mother's home in Big Spring. Images of child were found on a memory stick seized from the Dunn home.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/30/scope-of-dunn-reward-changed-officials-believe/

 

[scorekeeper]

This article says "thousands" of images of CP were found on the computer. ????

Thousands of images of child were discovered on a computer confiscated from Adkins' mother's home in Big Spring. Images of child were found on a memory stick seized from the Dunn home.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/30/scope-of-dunn-reward-changed-officials-believe/

All of the evidence gathered is sent either to the Department of Public Safety Crime Lab or the FBI crime lab, Toombs said.

So, it appears that the FBI is still involved!! I hope they are working frantically to put together CP charges. I remember that one LE personnel said he thought there was a similiar image found on one of the devices at g-ma's house.

JMO

 

[Lifted]

I don't recall him clearing it up. Perhaps you could post a link.

I would rely on what was in the SW affidavit, since that would present anything they had for probable cause, and they only mention what the FBI found as deleted files on the mothers computer (interestingly, the wording in the affidavit suggests that the bulk of the was not deleted) and the single "possible" image found on the grandmothers computer. If they had CP on an item that exclusively belonged to SA they would be mentioned it for sure. The affidavit is more reliable than anything Toombs says because it is a sworn statement from the person actually looking at this stuff, whereas Toombs is a politician with one or more layers of management that communicates between him and the people who actually do the investigation.

In any case if they found CP on the memory stick SA would be in jail right now. IMO Toombs would love to arrest SA pretty much for anything at this point. Their investigation of HD's dissappearance appears to be going nowhere and he is a politician after all. His constituents are probably getting restless and want someone punished for something, anything. The CP would do it, but unfortunately the CP they know about (however tenous the link to SA might be) is in another Sheriffs county, ie they don't have jurisdiction since that is a separate and unrelated crime. The Howard county sheriff is under no pressure to get things "solved" whatever the cost....soooo...Toombs has to find CP in HIS county, and IMO that is the reason for doing these search warrants.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all turns out. But, if they find nothing (as I suspect will be the case) we will probably hear nothing and be left wondering.

I agree completely. They've all been playing politics with this poor girl's case from the very beginning.

When all of this CP came out, they made it sound like they had an airtight case against all of them, yet no charges have been handed out yet - because the evidence obviously isn't anything conclusive. I thought the wording was very very vague with all of the information that came out. They threw out words like "deviant acts" because of how that sounds to everyone, even though that could have been any number of pretty normal things.

MOO - but they've been doing this the whole time. I really think they've dropped the ball early on, and don't have hardly anything that the public doesn't know about - or possibly even less than the public thinks they have.

Just my own opinion, but I think they realize that they might not ever be able to bring charges on this case against anyone, so they want to make sure that they win in the court of public opinion.

And just to be clear, I'm not sticking up for SA or BD, because they both seem like pretty terrible people at this point. But I have to admit, I still haven't seen nearly enough evidence pointing at either one of them that would be enough to convict them in an unbiased court, even though they very well could both be guilty.

 

[curiousc]

Looking into the CP is a gruelling task and the longer it goes on, the more charges will be brought against SA and possibly BD.

Remember that there are many things that an investigator has to do:

1) Locating the images in each electronic device and this is time consuming if more than one device has these images.
2) Making sure the images are genuine.
3) Verifying the ages of the victims if the images are genuine.
4) Perhaps locating the victims and perps, comparing the victims against missing children reports, etc.
5) Following the trail of who bought, sold and traded these images.
6) Following the money trail.

And don't forget, they may also be looking for any images of Hailey too or possibly something with regards to Hailey that may have been sent to someone.

And on it goes.

We wonder why SA hasn't been arrested yet. But I think they are looking at the bigger picture here. Perhaps breaking a cp ring, perhaps saving these children involved in these images, etc. Perhaps within it all, there may be evidence of Hailey.

I've a feeling when the investigation is all over, there's going to be more arrested here and bigger charges for SA and possibly BD.

If SA and BD were selling CP, wouldn't it be wiser to ensure everyone involved in a ring goes down with them too?

 

[Lifted]

For one thing, I just don't think that any of the people involved here are part of some huge criminal conspiracy - drug or CP related. I think that would be giving them too much credit, personally. I think they are just both (modsnip) who like to look at and use drugs.

For another, if what you say is true, and that LE is just trying to make sure that these images are actually CP - and not just , then why come out in the public saying that they found CP? They very much wanted everyone following this story to know, that they found CP in almost every direction that they looked.

So why would they need to verify something like that, after they came out with such declarative statements?

All of that is MOO, btw.

 

[cluciano63]

For one thing, I just don't think that any of the people involved here are part of some huge criminal conspiracy - drug or CP related. I think that would be giving them too much credit, personally. I think they are just both (snip) who like to look at and use drugs.

For another, if what you say is true, and that LE is just trying to make sure that these images are actually CP - and not just , then why come out in the public saying that they found CP? They very much wanted everyone following this story to know, that they found CP in almost every direction that they looked.

So why would they need to verify something like that, after they came out with such declarative statements?

All of that is MOO, btw.

I agree, I don't think SA and BD are involved in some CP ring. Possibly involved with a group of drug dealers, however, but I don't know if the drugs and are linked in this case.

I do think that the was found, as LE stated, but that they will have a task to link it conclusively to SA, and especially to BD. SA apparently took care to use a computer in a household full of adults with access, feasibly.

I do think they will be able to narrow it down to him, but it will take a while. I'm not sure they will be able to prove BD was involved, unless of course she is in any illegal pictures.

 

[Lifted]

Well the one thing that I always thought that was a little vague, was if the images were actually downloaded, or if they were just saved in the computers cookies/cache - or whatever it is called.

I know it is a more interesting read to think that someone downloaded all of those images/movies all by themselves, but it just seemed a bit far-fetched. I also noticed that they usually refrained from actually using the term download, and just said that the images were found on the computers.

Personally, I think that is a very huge distinction, and I really haven't seen that touched on a whole lot, other than a little bit early on.

Don't get me wrong, I think CP is deplorable no matter what, but regardless, there is still a huge difference between the two, especially in a sense of bringing charges on someone. It just seemed to me that the stories were sensationalized a bit, to make people think that these people had actually downloaded each of those images.

 

[Tugela]

People who are interested in CP would have large numbers of such files on their computers. If there 100k+ images of you would think that there would be tens of thousands of CP images. If it turns out there are just a few, they had been deleted and are of teens, then it is very likely that they would have been downloaded accidently. I think it would be allmost impossible for someone to download 100k+ images from public sources without having at least a few suspect images in there. According to the affidavit the bulk of the images (the 100k+?) were found by the local computer guy, presumably those files had not been deleted. The FBI found the CP in the slack space. Those would be file fragments which may have been partially overwritten by more recent files.

So the interpretation of what is there all depends on when various files were loaded, how much and in what context the files are, and LE have chosen not to tell us that for reasons best known to themselves. Plus they have the problem of proving exactly who did what, which is probably going to be impossible to resolve on a common access computer. Obviously everyone is going to deny it.

 

[barbiejet]

I think SA has a lot more than one "innocent" image. He has more than 10,000 images.

I believe if that was ALL they had him on....he'd be indicted.

I think LE wants him on MURDER...that's the delay.

They are making the murder case. CP is easy---he has the images (and so does Hailey's mom)---as they were all over her home via scandisk and her PlayStation