Willow and Bristol Palin post slurs and profanity on FB

[WhyaDuck?]

I like this comment below the article on Bristol's apology:

"A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus. When the fear is beyond one's control, and if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made.[1]
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learn the definition of phobia before calling everyone who uses the word a homophobe..do we can people who use the N word blackophobes??"


I was probably more appalled at Willow saying people were just jealous because they were rich and successful and they were all losers. And was surprised that such a "conservative" mom would have such a potty mouthed daughter. They have sort of thin skin when it comes to criticism, too. They just said they didn't like the show. Geez, lol.

I agree - I am not crazy about the term homophobe for people who are anti-gay, either. I actually know a guy who is literally homophobic - he knows it is irrational, but can't help himself. Most people who drop nasty slurs can help themselves - they just choose not to.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I really don't think anybody here has said it is a harmless adjective.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I like this comment below the article on Bristol's apology:

"A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus. When the fear is beyond one's control, and if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made.[1]
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learn the definition of phobia before calling everyone who uses the word a homophobe..do we can people who use the N word blackophobes??"


I was probably more appalled at Willow saying people were just jealous because they were rich and successful and they were all losers. And was surprised that such a "conservative" mom would have such a potty mouthed daughter. They have sort of thin skin when it comes to criticism, too. They just said they didn't like the show. Geez, lol.

Actually Dark Knight, they said much more than that. They called Bristol fat and talked about the show "nailin Palin" before WP said what she did. I'm not saying that makes it right, but they didn't just say they didn't like the show.
It was a heated exchange between 4 people. They all said things they shouldn't have. But lets not say that WP said those things just because the boy said he didn't like the show.

 

[Cubby]

"Think that's mean? How do you think 'that's so gay' sounds? Hurtful. So knock it off."

http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/DownloadandShare/

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK. It's not hard. (Just because something is "common" today, doesn't make it right. And definitely doesn't excuse it.)

Back in the not so long ago day, my Godson wore his collar up on his uniform - you know the good old uniform Izod shirts. IMO it was a fantastic statement.... (and his Band was in the Macy's TG parade a few years ago... )

Maybe a bit odd, but today it is hip to be square! I suppose being politically correct and respecting others and their differences is just plain old square an too troubling....

What happened to the good old days when our ideals weren't based on dumbing someone else down?

 

[JBean]

well imo, it is used in a derogatory fashion so we know exactly how it was meant and that is not ok.
part of the reason kids use it is because adults are desensitized by its common usage and don't have consequences for this kind of behavior. Hey all teens drink so let's just let them drink at our house where we can watch them. The "everyone's doing it" logic has been adopted by some adults. Shoot we used to try that as kids but my folks never fell for it. LOL

the behavior gets normalized because everyone does it or says it and the next thing you know it's not a big deal.

Parents need to keep teaching kids to raise their level of conversation and behavior.

 

[JBean]

Back in the not so long ago day, my Godson wore his collar up on his uniform - you know the good old uniform Izod shirts. IMO it was a fantastic statement.... (and his Band was in the Macy's TG parade a few years ago... )

Maybe a bit odd, but today it is hip to be square! I suppose being politically correct and respecting others and their differences is just plain old square an too troubling....

What happened to the good old days when self worth wasn't based on dumbing someone else down?

Oh that's so Cubby.

 

[jandkmom]

I am worried about the internet and the web causing more problems for young people. It is almost like if a young person makes a mistake that is no longer handled by the parents without it becoming something that the world could know about. I remember running away from home (didn't get very far), making mistakes and being corrected by my parents. Now with Facebook, Myspace and the internet, it can become known to the world and if the child wasn't embarrassed enough by having being corrected by their parents, to have the world judging a lapse in judgment is really tough. I hope when I make my mistakes in life, which will continue, that it is not photographed, recorded or broadcast to the world...my mistakes are between me, who I made the mistake with or to, and God.

 

[animlzrule]

I really don't think anybody here has said it is a harmless adjective.

Not in those exact words but it has been suggested by some over and over that since it's "slang" and everyone is doing it, it shouldn't be causing the uproar that it is. I for one am pleased it has gotten such a big response, as it confirms that there are those out there who are attempting to evolve their thinking. 16 is about 4-5 years past the point where I would expect kids to have an understanding of what is reprehensible speech and crossing the line. It is a big deal, partially because of the age of the participants. These aren't young kids we're discussing. It's not treated so blithely in my circles.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/18/stewart-palin-media-circus_n_785293.html


WATCH: Jon Stewart Takes On The Palin Family Media Circus


Link to Jon Stewarts video about WP and BP

These were his comments. I agree. This child needs to be left alone. She is a minor. Yes she is on a reality show, but this did not happen on the show so I'm not sure why we are even able to discuss it to be quite honest. She's 16!


Jon Stewart:
As for Willow Palin’s to-do about using gay slurs on her Facebook page, Stewart shrugged that off as well. “Stop making me feel sympathy for the Palins!” he barked at the media. “It’s a 16-year-old kid’s Facebook page! ‘Coming up next, 9-year-old Piper Palin’s headless Barbie: accident or Pediatric Rage Disorder?’”

“Kids are off-limits,” he stated firmly. “As a matter of fact, we should all go out of our way to treat her children with kid gloves and respect to show that we don’t judge individuals and mock them purely based on who their parents are. You know the rules should be ‘would they become the object of national mockery if their mother wasn’t Sarah Palin?”

 

[Cubby]

Oh that's so Cubby.

TY, if I can fix my last sentence..... (I need the few to edit )
which should read:
What happened to the good old days when our ideals weren't based on dumbing someone else down?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I am worried about the internet and the web causing more problems for young people. It is almost like if a young person makes a mistake that is no longer handled by the parents without it becoming something that the world could know about. I remember running away from home (didn't get very far), making mistakes and being corrected by my parents. Now with Facebook, Myspace and the internet, it can become known to the world and if the child wasn't embarrassed enough by having being corrected by their parents, to have the world judging a lapse in judgment is really tough. I hope when I make my mistakes in life, which will continue, that it is not photographed, recorded or broadcast to the world...my mistakes are between me, who I made the mistake with or to, and God.

Great point. What kid doesn't make mistakes????

 

[jandkmom]

Great point. What kid doesn't make mistakes????

Or adults...I make mistakes all the time, but pray about them and hopefully learn from them. I believe the song says "Life is a dance, you learn as you go."

 

[JBean]

Watching the behavior of kids of politicians and royalty is nothing new.
Shoot, that's one reason I would never go into politics.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Not in those exact words but it has been suggested by some over and over that since it's "slang" and everyone is doing it, it shouldn't be causing the uproar that it is. I for one am pleased it has gotten such a big response, as it confirms that there are those out there who are attempting to evolve their thinking. 16 is about 4-5 years past the point where I would expect kids to have an understanding of what is reprehensible speech and crossing the line. It is a big deal, partially because of the age of the participants. These aren't young kids we're discussing. It's not treated so blithely in my circles.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6639037_moral-development-adolescents.html

Adolescents are in a kind of limbo between childhood and adulthood. In 2005, Dr. Ruben Gur, professor of psychology at the University of Pennsylvania, wrote: "The evidence now is strong that the brain does not cease to mature until the early 20s." Adolescents are still in the process of gaining control over cognitive processes that shape any reasonable definition of morality, including "impulsivity, judgment, planning for the future [and] foresight of consequences." Adolescent moral development is not only a concern for parents and educators, but for the criminal justice system, scientists and therapists.
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[tlcya]

I agree, this child should be left alone. And I am sure her mother is making sure that FB page is going away and some tighter rules and good talk are happening as we type. This never should have happened.

The FB exchange, never should have happened. In the public eye, never should have happened, and I am pretty sure Mom is dealing with that as we speak.

 

[tlcya]

mY problem is not with WP BP or any P. My problem is with this pervasive trend of teens in general and social networking, texting, etc. They all seem to have no filter, no jimminy cricket guiding their behavior when using these mediums.

It is as if these things encourage them to posture and be super funny (read biting) super tough (use of profanity) super sexy (sexting, inappropriate sexual content and inuendo in updates, text). etc etc. They see it as license to behave in ways they probably not behave talking face to face.

This really disturbs me and I think goes directly to the bullying outbreaks of recent years.

All of this is MOO.

 

[Dark Knight]

Actually Dark Knight, they said much more than that. They called Bristol fat and talked about the show "nailin Palin" before WP said what she did. I'm not saying that makes it right, but they didn't just say they didn't like the show.
It was a heated exchange between 4 people. They all said things they shouldn't have. But lets not say that WP said those things just because the boy said he didn't like the show.

I thought Willow started right off the bat being overly defensive of the criticism, maybe I remembered it wrong. Or as the former Prez would say, "I misremembered it." :crazy:

 

[tlcya]

IMO being called fat or being slurred in any way, does not give you the right to one up and sling a slur back. They ALL behaved badly.

and that is sad to me.

 

[JBean]

what's the old adage about a tree falling and no one around to hear it?
If no one read it would it not be bad? of course it would and hopefully she is being corrected. This to me isn't about this child as much as it represents the desensitzation and excuses for the poor behavior of our youth today. no more no less.
If it raises awareness and stmulates conversation at a couple dinner tables to night,then it can be a good thing.
Famous kids really do have this burden to carry and it is unfair,but such is the life in the limelight.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I thought Willow started right off the bat being overly defensive of the criticism, maybe I remembered it wrong. Or as the former Prez would say, "I misremembered it." :crazy:

The one guy said the show was failing.
Then the Palin sisters said he was talking s***.
Then the boys started with the fat cracks and the "nailin palin" and teen preg talk.
Then WP used the slurs.



Like I said, they were all wrong. But she didn't just go on a rampage because the boy didn't like the show. Insults and slurs were being fired by all of them.