Willow and Bristol Palin post slurs and profanity on FB

[krimekat]

looks like Mama Bear had her baby delete her FB page . . .

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is interesting. I knew it was common, but this says 9 out of 10 have heard it at school. That's REALLY common. And this is from 2005. It's been around a while.

***before I get mauled, I'm not bringing this link forward to make excuses for it or to say it's right, I was just amazed by the info***

http://gayteens.about.com/od/safetytips/a/thatssogay.htm

That's So Gay: One of many homophobic slurs
Have you ever heard someone say, "That's so gay" to indicate that something is stupid, negative or girly? You'd be in the minority if you hadn't. According to the 2005 Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network National School Climate Survey nearly nine out of ten students reported hearing, "that's so gay" or "you're so gay" at school!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Here is Wanda Syke's PSA

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0[/ame]

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Here is Hillary Duff's PSA

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_MIb3mYznE&NR=1[/ame]

 

[animlzrule]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller...ndaughtersarethreatenedtauntedinfacebookwar_1

TMZ obtained screenshots yesterday of the Facebook debate, which began when a Facebook user and former classmate of the Palin girls named Tre posted a status update that said, “Sarah Palin’s Alaska, is soo failing hard right now.” Willow Palin responded, “Don’t watch it dumb s***” and Bristol Palin wrote, “You’re running your mouth just to talk s*** .”

Tre replied with, “Willow, don’t make me count to three” and a boy name Matt wrote, “not as fat as Bristol … The only program I enjoyed from your family is Nailin’ Palin.”

***KEEP IN MIND, all this came BEFORE the "you're so Gay" remark.
So this boy likes "Nailin Palin"??? I'd say that's pretty offensive.

IMO these boys were trying to get them to react and they did. Then, I guess they got screen shots to sell to the media.

IMO the Palin daughters were targeted.

Even if the Palin's were goaded into this exchange, I still fail to see how that makes any of it ok???:waitasec:The behavior of all involved is shameful, and not harmless. All involved display shockingly immature behavior. And 16 is PLENTY old enough to understand how to conduct oneself in public, as well as to be fully aware that those words are hate speech. If they don't know this then they lead shockingly cloistered lives in their little town. I wouldn't have been so disheartened to hear that this had all come from the mouths of 12 year olds because I expect some degree of experimentation with boundaries and language, but 16??? It's indefensible. If I ever caught my son spewing those ideas and language on Facebook, well, bye bye Facebook. But educating your kids about intolerance and bigotry starts at a very young age and by the time they hit middle school they should be well aware of what lines cannot be crossed without harsh consequences.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

JMO but this is taking it a little too far. Trust me, the gay teens of America know this is slang. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of them use it themselves.
We have a member that I talk to (argue with :smile daily in the Political Pavillion in the Sarah Palin thread downstairs. He is an openly gay liberal male. He posted a little while ago and I think you would be surprised by what he had to say about this issue. I know I was.

Oh Kimberly, I am sorry you feel that way. Words can be very hurtful. I underwent ALOT of scrutiny when I became ill with an autoimmune disease. It took several years to diagnose as my health deteriorated along with my sick days. My coworkers became so mean and their words and slurs devastated me as I began to rely on a cane more and more for mobility. I finally quit my job because the meaness was killing me inside. I had lost my identity and felt everyone's contempt for the inconvenience my illness caused at the workplace. Life dealt me the a low blow, I truly wanted to die, (never attempted suicide because I'd never do that to my kids)....and a part of me did die as the realization set in that I would never be the same and would never be physically able to perform my job again.

I embrace the transformation now and am grateful for the dedication of 3 or 4 great human beings who helped me thru the darkness. I now like my cane and even named her, LOL!

We have no way of knowing everyone's story or what tiny little thing may tip someone over the edge if one is scrutinized for being 'different'.

Sorry for the long personal story. I must sign off now and will BBL.

You all keep up the great discussion. wm

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Even if the Palin's were goaded into this exchange, I still fail to see how that makes any of it ok???:waitasec:The behavior of all involved is shameful, and not harmless. All involved display shockingly immature behavior. And 16 is PLENTY old enough to understand how to conduct oneself in public, as well as to be fully aware that those words are hate speech. If they don't know this then they lead shockingly cloistered lives in their little town. I wouldn't have been so disheartened to hear that this had all come from the mouths of 12 year olds because I expect some degree of experimentation with boundaries and language, but 16??? It's indefensible. If I ever caught my son spewing those ideas and language on Facebook, well, bye bye Facebook. But educating your kids about intolerance and bigotry starts at a very young age and by the time they hit middle school they should be well aware of what lines cannot be crossed without harsh consequences.

I didn't say it was ok.

Where did I say it was ok?

You never said anything that was wrong at 16? I'm sure I did at some point. But there are no screen shots of it. Because we had no FB and my Mom is not SP so nobody was targeting me to make money from the media.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Oh Kimberly, I am sorry you feel that way. Words can be very hurtful. I underwent ALOT of scrutiny when I became ill with an autoimmune disease. It took several years to diagnose as my health deteriorated along with my sick days. My coworkers became so mean and their words and slurs devastated me as I began to rely on a cane more and more for mobility. I finally quit my job because the meaness was killing me inside. I had lost my identity and felt everyone's contempt for the inconvenience my illness caused at the workplace. Life dealt me the a low blow, I truly wanted to die, (never attempted suicide because I'd never do that to my kids)....and a part of me did die as the realization set in that I would never be the same and would never be physically able to perform my job again.

I embrace the transformation now and am grateful for the dedication of 3 or 4 great human beings who helped me thru the darkness. I now like my cane and even named her, LOL!

We have no way of knowing everyone's story or what tiny little thing may tip someone over the edge if one is scrutinized for being 'different'.

Sorry for the long personal story. I must sign off now and will BBL.

You all keep up the great discussion. wm

Sorry you had to go through that. But, that is WAY different than a few teens mutually exchanging insults on FB.
They were all dishing it. There is no "victim" here.

If I had to pick a victim, it would the the Palins because they were targeted because of who their mother is.

JMO

ETA: And, I think these guys got what they wanted! They were not bullied.

 

[Cubby]

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[animlzrule]

Sorry you had to go through that. But, that is WAY different than a few teens mutually exchanging insults on FB.
They were all dishing it. There is no "victim" here.

If I had to pick a victim, it would the the Palins because they were targeted because of who their mother is.

JMO

ETA: And, I think these guys got what they wanted! They were not bullied.

Well, now we're veering off into Palin persecution conspiracies. Not really relevant to the topic, which is the ugly manner in which the Palin girls conducted themselves during a facebook exchange. A.) The use of such offensive words should never be tolerated, and B.) Seeing as how they are part of a family in the national spotlight, it was shockingly naive and reckless to participate. Just because someone is goading you doesn't mean you have to behave in kind, and shame on you if you do.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Well, now we're veering off into Palin persecution conspiracies. Not really relevant to the topic, which is the ugly manner in which the Palin girls conducted themselves during a facebook exchange. A.) The use of such offensive words should never be tolerated, and B.) Seeing as how they are part of a family in the national spotlight, it was shockingly naive and reckless to participate. Just because someone is goading you doesn't mean you have to behave in kind, and shame on you if you do.

BBM

Not really - it got them a lot of free publicity. (She did manage to stick a promo into her apology. I am not sure she is so unsavvy as it might appear.)

 

[animlzrule]

BBM

Not really - it got them a lot of free publicity. (She did manage to stick a promo into her apology. I am not sure she is so unsavvy as it might appear.)

Well, I suppose so. I'd think it would be better to be known for being classy, intelligent, mature young women. Do they really need to be courting negative publicity????

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Well, now we're veering off into Palin persecution conspiracies. Not really relevant to the topic, which is the ugly manner in which the Palin girls conducted themselves during a facebook exchange. A.) The use of such offensive words should never be tolerated, and B.) Seeing as how they are part of a family in the national spotlight, it was shockingly naive and reckless to participate. Just because someone is goading you doesn't mean you have to behave in kind, and shame on you if you do.

While I agree a little bit, this was a mutual exchange. Nobody was bullied.

Although WP is SP's daughter, she's still a teen. Just like the boys who were doing the same thing. I don't hear the OUTRAGE about those boys saying the disgusting things they said.

The only reason this is news is because of who WP and BP's mother is.

ETA: And no "Palin persecution conspiracies" intended. It's the same with anybody who is famous. They are often targeted for financial gain. Somebody sold those screenshots. Somebody made money on this ordeal.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Well, I suppose so. I'd think it would be better to be known for being classy, intelligent, mature young women. Do they really need to be courting negative publicity????

I personally would prefer to be known as classy and mature. But I am not entirely sure that this will be negative in the long run, once the critics stop talking about it. Many will certainly just chalk it up to "kids being kids" and leave it at that. Others will defend them as persecuted by liberals and/or the media. And still others will enjoy (or at least not mind) the gay slurs. I think the crowd they want for an audience really don't mind it when people put gays down, because it is not a minority they care about protecting.

 

[Filly]

I used to joke about myself as a Polack, until my son came home and said the polack kid in the neighborhood - first generation from Poland. I was mortified! It was then I had the talk with him about name calling and bad words.



jmo

Doesn't it floor you that something seemingly harmless you even call yourself comes out of your child's mouth and then it hits ya like a ton of bricks? Had that happen with DD in second grade with a term my dad referred to himself as.

BTW, Gentleman friend is Polish and he does that too Cubby all the time. Thank goodness he doesn't have kids. His entire family does it.

Geoge Carlin compared to some of the old timers had nothing on them. I referr back to my previous post. In all actuality it's a good learning lesson and everyone can come out of it a bit wiser.

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask the question but people from certain generations will tell you we're all too PC and that it toughens you up to be called or referred to in a certain way. Does it toughen you up? I say no. I guess I'd have to ask somebody who is now 78 years old or so "Did you mind being called One Eyed Camel growing up? Why did you refer to yourself with the name your "buddies" gave you?"

 

[WhyaDuck?]

While I agree a little bit, this was a mutual exchange. Nobody was bullied.

Although WP is SP's daughter, she's still a teen. Just like the boys who were doing the same thing. I don't hear the OUTRAGE about those boys saying the disgusting things they said.

The only reason this is news is because of who WP and BP's mother is.

I personally leave WP out of my public opinion on this matter, and I agree this would not have made the news if not for their famous mother (though BP has also gone out of her way to make as much of that fame as possible, and is now a celebrity in her own right for some baffling reason). And I see your point about the exchange, as it is possible those boys were just as vile.

However, I disagree that slurs are a victimless crime - they contribute to a larger attitude that leads to the bullying of others. Simply my opinion, for what it is worth.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Friendly reminder. This is NOT the PP folks. This forum is in celebrity news. One of these daughters is on a reality show, and it is fair to discuss this in this area of the forum.

Please keep the political discussion in the PP forum where it belongs.

Thank you,
Cubby

bump bump :smile:

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Kimberley, if that bump was for my benefit, I am unsure as to where I got too political. Please alert my posts if I was in violation, so a mod can disable my comments.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It was just a bump.

 

[daisy7]

Friendly reminder.

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Thank you,

Cubby

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