Witness Laura Buchanan Backs Out

[logicalgirl]

How LDB ever held up during this depo is miraculous to me. I couldn't stand to read more than a few pages without choking on rising bile caused by Jose's smug smirking gurgles, LB's feigned confusion, forgetfulness and contradictory answers along with CM trying to take over the direction of LDB's questioning.

So I thank all of you, in advance, who will be sharing the highlights. I am not able to read MM's generous contribution, in spite of my desire to know the contents. I must :chillout: a bit before I can tackle it myself. :gthanks:

Agree although I read the whole thing and much of it was teeth grinding work. I do have to say though I was impressed with CM's questions at the end of the document, even though I resented it at the same time. That surprised me. Seems the "set-up" has taken him by surprise.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Agree although I read the whole thing and much of it was teeth grinding work. I do have to say though I was impressed with CM's questions at the end of the document, even though I resented it at the same time. That surprised me. Seems the "set-up" has taken him by surprise.

I couldn't get that far. Really. I'm not being histrionic either. I was just getting too upset with all the manipulative behavior and motives. (But maybe I'm just catching LB's pneumonia. )

 

[logicalgirl]

I couldn't get that far. Really. I'm not being histrionic either. I was just getting too upset with all the manipulative behavior and motives. (But maybe I'm just catching LB's pneumonia. )

I believe you - I found them both to be very hard work....:banghead:

 

[tlcya]

I am so happy to read that I was not alone with strugging to get through this dep. Talk about painful, like pulling teeth. I have a headach now.

ETA I work for lawyers, I read depos all the time, but the characters involved in this one, sheesh, again I say, a painful read. I pictured the players sitting round the table, sticking tongues out at one another and eyerolling. Schoolyard behavior.

 

[Aedrys]

Okay then. I just spent two days digging out a path for my car on the driveway and risked life and limb getting out and going to the store today. I don't think I could handle this defense LB deposition right now on top of that. I will just wait for the highlights, lol. Thanks in advance!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Okay so I don't know what the deal is with Mason and his hearing...but he either needs to find a way to deal with it or get out off the case. I think he's trying to disrupt LDB and throw off her rhythm or something and I am SICK of it. He either can or cannot do his job and he needs to quit sitting on the fence with this "I can't hear you" every 3 minutes. Disgraceful.

 

[AZlawyer]

So CA was issued an investigative subpoena related to all emails between LB & CA, I wonder when we'll see that transcript.

There was no transcript. It was a subpoena for documents, and she responded with the affidavit that was in the last doc dump.

 

[Just Jayla]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70798777/20101117-Laura-Buchanan-Deposition-Pt1
page 60
LDB: Did you tell someone you were in Law Enforcement
LB: That I worked-had worked for Law Enforcement-that's possible

LDB Did you have a firearm, a gun with you in Florida?
LB No
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page 61-63 (OH BOY!!!Can't wait to hear the audio for this interaction)

LDB: Do you need some help with those Jose?
JB: With what?
LDB: I don't know. Something is disturbing you, amusing you?
JB: Why, are you offering? Why, are you offering to help me?
LDB: I'm asking if you need some?
JB: Why would you ask such a question?
LDB: Because you're chuckling, laughing, coughing, gagging.
JB: You heard me laughing? You think I need help with laughing?
LDB: No. do you need help with something?
JB: You need help chuckling? I don't understand you.
LDB: Since your making audible response during the deposition I'm asking you....
JB: Of what type exactly?
LDB: if you need help with something?
...........
Mason: Come on children let's move on
.......
JB: I don't think either because I'm not sick and nor did anyone tell a joke. But, I mean, you know sometimes you Prosecutors see things that aren't there.
LDB: But I didn't see anything, I heard it.
JB: Oh Well, I guess all of your senses are sometimes offset.
LDB: They aren't

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We have all seen Baez in court and leaving court....he shakes his head, smirks, smiles, laughs, etc...so it wouldn't be a stretch to think he wasn't doing the same during this Deposition
:twocents:

This is a perfect example of his skewed thinking when it comes to lawyering-Adversary does not equal mortal enemy in a court of law...It's not cowboys and indians...He personalizes everything, which says more about him than it does about anyone else. Does he think he is supposed to fight the person (in this case LDB), not the argument?
Why doesn't he just tell her he thinks she's fat, stupid and ugly? That seems to be what he really wants to say...Courtroom=schoolyard.
Un-pro-fessional. Immature. :loser:

BTW-If he had any self-confidence, especially when it comes to the very serious issue of LB, he wouldn't have to go there-He would have the truth and maybe even a little moxie on his side.

 

[nums24]

There was no transcript. It was a subpoena for documents, and she responded with the affidavit that was in the last doc dump.

Ahhhh, yes, now I remember thank you!!

 

[seagull65]

just posting from the front of the thread:

It's such a shame how this witness has been smeared in some of the Orlando media and blogs etc. She is just as entitled to tell what she saw as any other witness and her testimony makes as much sense as the other searchers', her statements seem like they could even be a bit more in keeping with what the water study said IMO (regarding Area A).

She seems as honest and credible as any of the other witnesses. Of course the prosecution will pick apart the search forms and any other thing they can think of to try to discredit her claims, try to confuse her and get her to trip up, etc (and won't do the same to witnesses whose recollections bolster their theories). That goes without saying, it's their job. (Though it's pretty hard to listen to/read. I almost can't stand to listen to LDB.) But it's just a shame when the media pick up the prosecution line and begin to smear a witness.

I mean on the one hand, some witnesses claim to have driven within a few feet of the remains on an ATV ("we were closer than anyone else") but that the remains must have been submerged because Area A was under "waist deep" water....but the land at Area A does not appear to be waist deep in real life (I saw the land up close when it was still all cleared/defoliated in early '09, when memorial items had been placed at the treeline.) If I understand correctly from the diagrams where Area A is, that area is only slightly lower than curb level. The water report also said there could only have been UP TO six inches of water (not necessarily that much) during the highest water period at Area A, one 10 day period in August or something.....and the rest of the time less than that or no water. (Though some surrounding spots would have more water.) So.... who knows? I do wonder how the searchers were driving an ATV as close to the remains as they describe with all the trees, vines, fallen log, etc. :waitasec: But it's right for them to tell what they think they saw, just as it's right for Laura B to do so. IMO

ETA she seemed in her statements to have a pretty good frame of reference, the fact that she started searching at the fenceline and worked over into the woods, so it seems unlikely that she is mistaken about the area, right?

 

[Gma Kat]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70798777/20101117-Laura-Buchanan-Deposition-Pt1
page 60
LDB: Did you tell someone you were in Law Enforcement
LB: That I worked-had worked for Law Enforcement-that's possible

LDB Did you have a firearm, a gun with you in Florida?
LB No
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page 61-63 (OH BOY!!!Can't wait to hear the audio for this interaction)

LDB: Do you need some help with those Jose?
JB: With what?
LDB: I don't know. Something is disturbing you, amusing you?
JB: Why, are you offering? Why, are you offering to help me?
LDB: I'm asking if you need some?
JB: Why would you ask such a question?
LDB: Because you're chuckling, laughing, coughing, gagging.
JB: You heard me laughing? You think I need help with laughing?
LDB: No. do you need help with something?
JB: You need help chuckling? I don't understand you.
LDB: Since your making audible response during the deposition I'm asking you....
JB: Of what type exactly?
LDB: if you need help with something?
...........
Mason: Come on children let's move on
.......
JB: I don't think either because I'm not sick and nor did anyone tell a joke. But, I mean, you know sometimes you Prosecutors see things that aren't there.
LDB: But I didn't see anything, I heard it.
JB: Oh Well, I guess all of your senses are sometimes offset.
LDB: They aren't

__________________

We have all seen Baez in court and leaving court....he shakes his head, smirks, smiles, laughs, etc...so it wouldn't be a stretch to think he wasn't doing the same during this Deposition
:twocents:

I am so happy to read that I was not alone with strugging to get through this dep. Talk about painful, like pulling teeth. I have a headach now.

ETA I work for lawyers, I read depos all the time, but the characters involved in this one, sheesh, again I say, a painful read. I pictured the players sitting round the table, sticking tongues out at one another and eyerolling. Schoolyard behavior.

bbm If one of my bosses had asked me to do a depo review of LB......I would have probably retired much younger......I was EMBARRASSED reading this depo.......it actually made me uncomfortable......what a freeking mockery of the judicial system some of these players are making!! Grrrrrr!:banghead: (BTW - isn't that emoticon designed just for this case????? Should be the mascot......)

 

[Horace Finklestein]

just posting from the front of the thread:

It's such a shame how this witness has been smeared in some of the Orlando media and blogs etc. She is just as entitled to tell what she saw as any other witness and her testimony makes as much sense as the other searchers', her statements seem like they could even be a bit more in keeping with what the water study said IMO (regarding Area A).

She seems as honest and credible as any of the other witnesses. Of course the prosecution will pick apart the search forms and any other thing they can think of to try to discredit her claims, try to confuse her and get her to trip up, etc (and won't do the same to witnesses whose recollections bolster their theories). That goes without saying, it's their job. But it's just a shame when the media pick up the prosecution line and begin to smear her.

I mean on the one hand, some witnesses claim to have driven within a few feet of the remains on an ATV but that the remains must have been submerged because Area A was under "waist deep" water....but the land at Area A does not appear to be waist deep in real life (I saw the land up close when it was still all cleared/defoliated in early '09 at the memorial), if I understand correctly from the diagrams where Area A is, that area is only slightly lower than curb level. The water report also said there could only have been UP TO six inches of water (not necessarily that much) during the highest water period at Area A, one 10 day period in August or something.....and the rest of the time less than that or no water. (Though some surrounding spots would have more water.) So.... who knows? I do wonder how the searchers were driving an ATV as close to the remains as they describe with all the trees, vines, fallen log, etc. :waitasec: But it's right for them to tell what they think they saw, just as it's right for Laura B to do so. IMO

ETA she seemed in her statements to have a pretty good frame of reference, the fact that she started searching at the fenceline and worked over into the woods, so it seems unlikely that she is mistaken about the area, right?

The only person doing anything manipulative or dishonest was Mason trying to bully her into agreeing with what he thinks she said. LB has no credibility and it is wrong to imply that it is the prosecution's job to try to confuse her and trip her up. The only person doing that, again, was Cheney Mason.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

just posting from the front of the thread:

It's such a shame how this witness has been smeared in some of the Orlando media and blogs etc. She is just as entitled to tell what she saw as any other witness and her testimony makes as much sense as the other searchers', her statements seem like they could even be a bit more in keeping with what the water study said IMO (regarding Area A).

She seems as honest and credible as any of the other witnesses. Of course the prosecution will pick apart the search forms and any other thing they can think of to try to discredit her claims, try to confuse her and get her to trip up, etc (and won't do the same to witnesses whose recollections bolster their theories). That goes without saying, it's their job. But it's just a shame when the media pick up the prosecution line and begin to smear her.

I mean on the one hand, some witnesses claim to have driven within a few feet of the remains on an ATV but that the remains must have been submerged because Area A was under "waist deep" water....but the land at Area A does not appear to be waist deep in real life (I saw the land up close when it was still all cleared/defoliated in early '09 at the memorial), if I understand correctly from the diagrams where Area A is, that area is only slightly lower than curb level. The water report also said there could only have been UP TO six inches of water (not necessarily that much) during the highest water period at Area A, one 10 day period in August or something.....and the rest of the time less than that or no water. (Though some surrounding spots would have more water.) So.... who knows? I do wonder how the searchers were driving an ATV as close to the remains as they describe with all the trees, vines, fallen log, etc. :waitasec: But it's right for them to tell what they think they saw, just as it's right for Laura B to do so. IMO

ETA she seemed in her statements to have a pretty good frame of reference, the fact that she started searching at the fenceline and worked over into the woods, so it seems unlikely that she is mistaken about the area, right?

Respectfully, you might change your point of view as you read further into the documents ~ especially reading her recent deposition generously provided by MuzikMan: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70798777/20101117-Laura-Buchanan-Deposition-Pt1 and http://www.docstoc.com/docs/70800957/20101117-Laura-Buchanan-Deposition-Pt2

 

[A_News_Junkie]

just posting from the front of the thread:

It's such a shame how this witness has been smeared in some of the Orlando media and blogs etc. She is just as entitled to tell what she saw as any other witness and her testimony makes as much sense as the other searchers', her statements seem like they could even be a bit more in keeping with what the water study said IMO (regarding Area A).

She seems as honest and credible as any of the other witnesses. Snipped for space.

Have you read these:

Transcripts of conversations with Texas EquuSearch workers - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...scriptsTQS.pdf

Transcripts of conversations with Texas EquuSearch worker Ann Pham - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...nnpham0128.pdf

Transcripts of conversations with Texas EquuSearch worker Ann Pham #2 - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...ham-2-0128.pdf

Transcript of phone call from Kasper Jordan to Buchanan - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...anbuchanan.pdf

Buchanan's emails to attorney Mark NeJame #2 - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...nannejame2.pdf

The emails with JB or the documents from LB depo????

If you read all that - then, well I will just respectfully disagree!:seeya::fence:

 

[Aedrys]

just posting from the front of the thread:

It's such a shame how this witness has been smeared in some of the Orlando media and blogs etc. She is just as entitled to tell what she saw as any other witness and her testimony makes as much sense as the other searchers', her statements seem like they could even be a bit more in keeping with what the water study said IMO (regarding Area A).

She seems as honest and credible as any of the other witnesses. Of course the prosecution will pick apart the search forms and any other thing they can think of to try to discredit her claims, try to confuse her and get her to trip up, etc (and won't do the same to witnesses whose recollections bolster their theories). That goes without saying, it's their job. (Though it's pretty hard to listen to/read. I almost can't stand to listen to LDB.) But it's just a shame when the media pick up the prosecution line and begin to smear a witness.

I mean on the one hand, some witnesses claim to have driven within a few feet of the remains on an ATV ("we were closer than anyone else") but that the remains must have been submerged because Area A was under "waist deep" water....but the land at Area A does not appear to be waist deep in real life (I saw the land up close when it was still all cleared/defoliated in early '09, when memorial items had been placed at the treeline.) If I understand correctly from the diagrams where Area A is, that area is only slightly lower than curb level. The water report also said there could only have been UP TO six inches of water (not necessarily that much) during the highest water period at Area A, one 10 day period in August or something.....and the rest of the time less than that or no water. (Though some surrounding spots would have more water.) So.... who knows? I do wonder how the searchers were driving an ATV as close to the remains as they describe with all the trees, vines, fallen log, etc. :waitasec: But it's right for them to tell what they think they saw, just as it's right for Laura B to do so. IMO

ETA she seemed in her statements to have a pretty good frame of reference, the fact that she started searching at the fenceline and worked over into the woods, so it seems unlikely that she is mistaken about the area, right?

Um...She ADMITTED to FORGING a document...she stalked the A's like a groupie...She has no credibility whatsover...

 

[logicalgirl]

The only person doing anything manipulative or dishonest was Mason trying to bully her into agreeing with what he thinks she said. LB has no credibility and it is wrong to imply that it is the prosecution's job to try to confuse her and trip her up. The only person doing that, again, was Cheney Mason.

I surprised to read you saying this - I'll have to go back and read it (at least that part- not the rest :banghead because unlike Baez, it sounded to me like he was asking some very direct questions as if he couldn't believe they had been presenting what she said one way and she was swearing to something else in this depo.

Also I got the feeling he was very surprised by her answers and as soon as he and Baez left the room he would immediately start kicking Baez around the block.

I didn't come away from that read he was trying to trick her at all.

 

[LambChop]

LB lied under oath on a deposition about bringing a concealed weapon with her on her search of JBP. That adds up to 0 credibility in my book. She also signed an affidavit stating the EXACT opposition of what she swore to in her deposition. LB claimed to be a law enforcement officer, she is not. She claimed in emails to be a paralegal when in fact she is not. She claimed in emails to be a CPA, which she is not. She claimed to have information she just did not have. Defense can not use her. It was a "waste, huge waste" to even entertain the idea. What was defense thinking???? There is an ongoing investigation regarding tampering in which she is involved. This was not brought about "on a whim" by LE. LB costs the taxpayers of Florida huge amounts of money based on her deception. Now tell me you feel sorry for her, CM or JB.

 

[The World According]

Have you read these:

Transcripts of conversations with Texas EquuSearch workers - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...scriptsTQS.pdf

Transcripts of conversations with Texas EquuSearch worker Ann Pham - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...nnpham0128.pdf

Transcripts of conversations with Texas EquuSearch worker Ann Pham #2 - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...ham-2-0128.pdf

Transcript of phone call from Kasper Jordan to Buchanan - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...anbuchanan.pdf

Buchanan's emails to attorney Mark NeJame #2 - http://www.cfnews13.com/static/artic...nannejame2.pdf

The emails with JB or the documents from LB depo????

If you read all that - then, well I will just respectfully disagree!:seeya::fence:

Thank you posting them all back to back. Each one contradicts Laura completely!!! She admits, repeatedly, in her depo that she falsified the TES documents and that the affidavit she signed was not true, that she DID NOT search the exact spot. It was lies. She admitted it.
Every word Laura said, without exception, has been discredited. Impersonating a law enforcement officer is a crime, and that is just the jumping off point!

It is positively VILE that she allowed the defense to perpetuate this lie on the court when she knew all along what they were claiming was not true, she had never been in the exact area. Clearly, if she were confused at first she was not after she was taken back there to the woods in person. I want her prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, for whatever laws she broke if any. Moerover, I want Mort, Andrea, Cheney, and Jose absolutely held as seriously responsible for misrepresenting this nonsense to the court, and if as and when they can be charged for any criminal wrongdoing in this matter I will be happy.
This behavior out of some clearly very troubled lady is one thing, but rather than just laugh her off like Mr. Mason did the letter writer when Judge Perry asked about him.....they presented these knowingly false statements to the court.....wow, that is shameful and cries out for serious repucussions, imo. That depo is a gold mine. For Andrea Lyon to have been on that walkabout....no way in the world the defense lawyers can hang Mort out as the sacrificial lamb and claim they worked off of his assertions only. There is no plausable deniablity.

I always think I have heard it all, but that Andrea, God bless her, in her Hush Puppies was out there in the woods would have been something I never could have guessed.

That is what we learned in the depo, Laura, her lawyer, Mort and Andrea went out to the woods to retrace her steps, literally.
That Laura's lawyer was with them matters. So he is a witness to the fact that never ever did Laura walk them by the magic spot. We know this because AFTER Laura and the Scooby Doo crew retraced her steps, her lawyer asks Mort and Andrea...ok so just where out in theses woods was the baby found?
The need for that question does not arise if you had came upon the magic spot on Laura's path. No two inferences can be drawn from that. I guess now we will wind up having to have him deposed, too, just like Joe Jordan's lawyer.

Jose asked Laura if she was aware that he, Cheney and Cindy had received investigative subpoenas due to this investigation. I hope Mort and Andrea sure got ones too. You just can't make this stuff up!!!

Laura Buchanan will not be part of the Casey Anthony trial. Like so many other matters, this was squashed, thoroughly, pre trial and she will not be called to the stand any sooner than Jill or Brandon. This is over as far as the Casey Anthony case goes, she is just another old news Joy figure. The only difference is there will be fallout from the criminal tampering investigation for her and others, but she will never be heard from by the jurors in the murder trial, of that I am certain. MOO

Next.

 

[Soju]

I surprised to read you saying this - I'll have to go back and read it (at least that part- not the rest :banghead because unlike Baez, it sounded to me like he was asking some very direct questions as if he couldn't believe they had been presenting what she said one way and she was swearing to something else in this depo.

Also I got the feeling he was very surprised by her answers and as soon as he and Baez left the room he would immediately start kicking Baez around the block.
I didn't come away from that read he was trying to trick her at all.

re BBM:

I see what you mean, logicalgirl, but my over-analytical, cynical mind sees it quite the opposite. I took it as Mason acting genuinely surprised by her about-face in an attempt to distance himself from the dishonesty. It seemed to me that he acted shocked and incredulous because he knows full well the seriousness of perpetrating such dishonesty on the court. He has to act surprised, kwim? Maybe I should give him the benefit of the doubt, but, despite all his Foghorn Leghorn schtick, he's FAR from stupid.

JMO of course

 

[strawberry]

I surprised to read you saying this - I'll have to go back and read it (at least that part- not the rest :banghead because unlike Baez, it sounded to me like he was asking some very direct questions as if he couldn't believe they had been presenting what she said one way and she was swearing to something else in this depo.

Also I got the feeling he was very surprised by her answers and as soon as he and Baez left the room he would immediately start kicking Baez around the block.

I didn't come away from that read he was trying to trick her at all.

I guess hearing the video would be helpful to distinguish when that is available. I prefer reading transcripts since I can read much faster that it takes to listen. I would love to hear parts of this however.:innocent: