Witness Laura Buchanan Backs Out

[logicalgirl]

Thanks, being from the OTHER end of the state....I've seen World's Series beard but....well, I'll still root for the Steelers. Just don't tell anyone.

Whew! Strawberry!:great: Thank you so much for explaining is the matter with ynotdivein's face! I thought what the heck??? She/He's lost it!!!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I surprised to read you saying this - I'll have to go back and read it (at least that part- not the rest :banghead because unlike Baez, it sounded to me like he was asking some very direct questions as if he couldn't believe they had been presenting what she said one way and she was swearing to something else in this depo.

Also I got the feeling he was very surprised by her answers and as soon as he and Baez left the room he would immediately start kicking Baez around the block.

I didn't come away from that read he was trying to trick her at all.

I may not have interpreted it well having only text to read and not getting to hear the exchange. I have trouble keeping track of the whole "water was there" "water wasn't there" nonsense because I don't see what difference any of it makes so it is not apparent to me what the defense thinks it will benefit from.

However, the reason I said that was Mason kept asking the same things, getting thwarted, and then rephrasing them slightly, then telling LB what she said earlier, telling her not to talk about the trees, etc. It was clear to me he wasn't getting the information he wanted so he just kept pushing. I could have misinterpreted though.

 

[seagull65]

LB lied under oath on a deposition about bringing a concealed weapon with her on her search of JBP. That adds up to 0 credibility in my book. She also signed an affidavit stating the EXACT opposition of what she swore to in her deposition. LB claimed to be a law enforcement officer, she is not. She claimed in emails to be a paralegal when in fact she is not. She claimed in emails to be a CPA, which she is not. She claimed to have information she just did not have. Defense can not use her. It was a "waste, huge waste" to even entertain the idea. What was defense thinking???? There is an ongoing investigation regarding tampering in which she is involved. This was not brought about "on a whim" by LE. LB costs the taxpayers of Florida huge amounts of money based on her deception. Now tell me you feel sorry for her, CM or JB.

Wow those are very strong accusations you are making against this witness:
Can you supply any proof about any of this?
(a) Her bringing a concealed weapon on a search, and if so isn't that a separate issue from this case?
(b) I thought she said she'd worked with law enforcement (she seems to have been referring to when she worked with law enforcement as a volunteer I thought. Did she wear a badge and call herself a law enforcement officer at the searches or something? :waitasec Maybe she's an unsophisticated young person and thought since she had worked with law enforcement as a volunteer that meant she "worked in law enforcement"?
(c) Please supply any proof you have at all about her tampering. :waitasec:
(d) I thought she said her husband is a CPA.
What does any of this have to do with this case? I'm mainly just interested in what she saw when she walked in that area from the fenceline over into the woods, because that has directly to do with this case.
(e) I saw some accusations by bloggers that she "forged documents"? Can you link to the forged documents? Is it only those notes of hers that LDB kept calling "altered documents" LOL that people are talking about? But if I missed forged documents please link, I appreciate it!

 

[logicalgirl]

I may not have interpreted it well having only text to read and not getting to hear the exchange. I have trouble keeping track of the whole "water was there" "water wasn't there" nonsense because I don't see what difference any of it makes so it is not apparent to me what the defense thinks it will benefit from.

However, the reason I said that was Mason kept asking the same things, getting thwarted, and then rephrasing them slightly, then telling LB what she said earlier, telling her not to talk about the trees, etc. It was clear to me he wasn't getting the information he wanted so he just kept pushing. I could have misinterpreted though.

Oh LOL - not necessarily!!! Truly - it could very well have been me - I would be much better listening to the audio to be able to say for sure what I feel. Your comment was just the first one on the thread that said something diametrically opposite to what I "read" and I thought - Whoa - I need to think about this because Horace could very well be right. Didn't mean it as a smackdown at all. My apologies if it came across that way.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Wow those are very strong accusations you are making against this witness:
Can you supply any proof about any of this?
(a) Her bringing a concealed weapon on a search, and if so isn't that a separate issue from this case?
(b) I thought she said she'd worked with law enforcement (she seems to have been referring to when she worked with law enforcement as a volunteer I thought. Did she wear a badge and call herself a law enforcement officer at the searches or something? :waitasec Maybe she's an unsophisticated young person and thought since she had worked with law enforcement as a volunteer that meant she "worked in law enforcement"?
(c) Please supply any proof you have at all about her tampering. :waitasec:
(d) I thought she said her husband is a CPA.
What does any of this have to do with this case? I'm mainly just interested in what she saw when she walked in that area from the fenceline over into the woods, because that has directly to do with this case.
(e) I saw some accusations by bloggers that she "forged documents"? Can you link to the forged documents? Is it only those notes of hers that LDB kept calling "altered documents" LOL that people are talking about? But if I missed forged documents please link, I appreciate it!

She was caught in lie after lie. Did you read the documents? Isn't credibility important if she is going to be a witness in this case? And doesn't that seem like a LOT of misunderstandings and misinterpretations over some very major things for one person to experience? It's less likely she has bad luck with being smeared than it is she actually has done exactly what people are saying. The emails to Nejame were simply bizarre and should raise red flags by themselves.

 

[zippitydoda]

Wow, that was a hard read. Thank you MM for the docs.

As my mama says, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.

She went looking to play with a bunch of snakes with an agenda and, when all was said and done, was left chewed up and spit out.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Oh LOL - not necessarily!!! Truly - it could very well have been me - I would be much better listening to the audio to be able to say for sure what I feel. Your comment was just the first one on the thread that said something diametrically opposite to what I "read" and I thought - Whoa - I need to think about this because Horace could very well be right. Didn't mean it as a smackdown at all. My apologies if it came across that way.

Yeah that's what I'm saying - need the audio lol. I have a "Cheney Mason" voice in my head when I read what he says and that's how it sounded in my mind...lol

 

[sumbunny]

LB admitted to adding things to the TES sheet she had at home. I'm not sure what you'd call that. But it seems somewhat "forged" if she added notes way after the fact..IMO

 

[beach]

Wow those are very strong accusations you are making against this witness:
Can you supply any proof about any of this?
(a) Her bringing a concealed weapon on a search, and if so isn't that a separate issue from this case?
(b) I thought she said she'd worked with law enforcement (she seems to have been referring to when she worked with law enforcement as a volunteer I thought. Did she wear a badge and call herself a law enforcement officer at the searches or something? :waitasec Maybe she's an unsophisticated young person and thought since she had worked with law enforcement as a volunteer that meant she "worked in law enforcement"?
(c) Please supply any proof you have at all about her tampering. :waitasec:
(d) I thought she said her husband is a CPA.
What does any of this have to do with this case? I'm mainly just interested in what she saw when she walked in that area from the fenceline over into the woods, because that has directly to do with this case.
(e) I saw some accusations by bloggers that she "forged documents"? Can you link to the forged documents? Is it only those notes of hers that LDB kept calling "altered documents" LOL that people are talking about? But if I missed forged documents please link, I appreciate it!

Respectfully seagull, the things you are requesting are all provided in the 2 depositions of Laura Buchanan. Most posters voicing opinions have read the entire depos. They are lengthy. I don't think it is reasonable to request anyone to re-read them to link to the the specific depo, page and line #.


[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6068954&postcount=12"]Link to the Aug. 16, 2010 Laura Buchanan depos.[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6092400&postcount=197"]Link to the Nov. 17, 2010 Laura Buchanan depos.[/ame]

 

[krisskross]

She was caught in lie after lie. Did you read the documents? Isn't credibility important if she is going to be a witness in this case? And doesn't that seem like a LOT of misunderstandings and misinterpretations over some very major things for one person to experience? It's less likely she has bad luck with being smeared than it is she actually has done exactly what people are saying. The emails to Nejame were simply bizarre and should raise red flags by themselves.

Not to mention that very very suspect sighting of kidnapped Caylee being paraded around the theme parks of Orlando.........AGAIN

The woman is despicable. :maddening:

 

[Itsy]

I'm sorry if this has been noticed & mentioned above. After working today & up until 10:45pm tonight, I've only had time to skim posts since my break earlier.

I never caught this myself seeing the copy of the post it note on the forged/faked TES document, but in reading the 1st part of the depo, the light bulb went on.

The paged she faxed (to what # and whose # is it? I probably missed that, too - haven't read part 2 yet, or just have a case of CRS at the moment, lol) had the post it note on it that read:

FOR Mort from Laura, correct? So, IMO that leaves open a huge possibility that someone was to pass this fax on to Mort. IOW, if it had said TO Mort, he was the only one that was expected to be at the other end of the line. But, the FOR Mort makes me wonder if someone else was standing by that fax machine...I just have a hinky feeling that JB did know about this faked document all along & shredded it when he figured out he couldn't sneak it into the box of TES evidence at MN's office or got rid of it PDQ after the way the Nov depo went. (Man, oh man - what a completely a$$ he is, the way he acted in part 1 of the depo, as others have commented on!!! Just who does he think he is?)

I could be way off base here - haven't had much sleep last month and still trying to catch up on work w/job #2. In my sleep deprived state of mind right now, though, it makes sense to me, LOL.

 

[Pondering Mind]

She was caught in lie after lie. Did you read the documents? Isn't credibility important if she is going to be a witness in this case? And doesn't that seem like a LOT of misunderstandings and misinterpretations over some very major things for one person to experience? It's less likely she has bad luck with being smeared than it is she actually has done exactly what people are saying. The emails to Nejame were simply bizarre and should raise red flags by themselves.

bbm~

Credibility is absolutely important when you want to get to the TRUTH of a matter..Now, if getting to the real TRUTH is not ones ultimate goal..then, eh, not so much I guess..MOO..

I can't help but find it interesting that although this woman has told so many white lies, stories, half truths..whatever name someone wishes to call a LIE ...that anyone could even be expected to believe that she is being honest about this one particular event. She has 0 credibility regarding ANYTHING she says or does..imo..

 

[seagull65]

LB costs the taxpayers of Florida huge amounts of money based on her deception.

How much do you think the prosecution costs the taxpayers? LOL I'm just teasing you, a lot of times people complain about the defense, as if they just run on air over at the prosecutor's office, no cost to the taxpayer.

Are you honestly saying this person LB defrauded the state of Florida? :waitasec:
To me she seems like a mild mannered, well-meaning, easily intimidated person, who just told what she believes she saw while searching and is now being put through the wringer big time from the sound of it. I would think she's probably traumatized by everything that's happening to her now if what has been posted here is true.

I just would have trouble believing this mild mannered mother of 3 from another state would have any reason to create some false story--what for? What motive could she have to try to paint a false picture or try to deceive? Do people think she would want to help a child murderer?

Other searchers have also told what they thought they saw and where they thought they'd looked. She's certainly as credible to me as others. People can be wrong or mistaken of course, without meaning to be deceptive. The way she described the remains site environs though seems right compared to the water expert's study and the way the land appears to lie. Of course, I could be wrong in my understanding of where Area A is or where she walked etc.

There's always the possibility that she walked the area, but just didn't see the remains, I guess. Who knows?

 

[sumbunny]

How much do you think the prosecution costs the taxpayers? LOL I'm just teasing you, a lot of times people complain about the defense, as if they just run on air over at the prosecutor's office, no cost to the taxpayer. she cost everyone money and valuable time

Are you honestly saying this person LB defrauded the state of Florida? :waitasec:
To me she seems like a mild mannered, well-meaning, easily intimidated person, who just told what she believes she saw while searching and is now being put through the wringer big time from the sound of it. I would think she's probably traumatized by everything that's happening to her now if what has been posted here is true. To me, she seems like someone who wanted 15 minutes of fame and inserted herself like many others have in the past

I just would have trouble believing this mild mannered mother of 3 from another state would have any reason to create some false story--what for? What motive could she have to try to paint a false picture or try to deceive? Do people think she would want to help a child murderer? She wanted attention, again 15 minutes. Bored housewife..whatever her motive was, it wasn't to help. Telling the truth helps. Inserting yourself into a case and falsifying documents..not so helpful. (think Joy Wray)

Other searchers have also told what they thought they saw and where they thought they'd looked. She's certainly as credible to me as others. People can be wrong or mistaken of course, without meaning to be deceptive. The way she described the remains site environs though seems right compared to the water expert's study and the way the land appears to lie. Of course, I could be wrong in my understanding of where Area A is or where she walked etc. Adding things to a document months later=deceptive IMO. Also, a myriad of other "mistruths-half-truths" or whatever you call them

There's always the possibility that she walked the area, but just didn't see the remains, I guess. Who knows?

There was no body..just scattered very small bones, in a densely wooded, swampy area. She apparently walked the privacy fence, and circled back almost the same way. In other words about 35 feet away from area A


Red is mine and MOO

 

[babiesstolemydingo]

How much do you think the prosecution costs the taxpayers? LOL I'm just teasing you, a lot of times people complain about the defense, as if they just run on air over at the prosecutor's office, no cost to the taxpayer.

Are you honestly saying this person LB defrauded the state of Florida? :waitasec:
To me she seems like a mild mannered, well-meaning, easily intimidated person, who just told what she believes she saw while searching and is now being put through the wringer big time from the sound of it. I would think she's probably traumatized by everything that's happening to her now if what has been posted here is true.

I just would have trouble believing this mild mannered mother of 3 from another state would have any reason to create some false story--what for? What motive could she have to try to paint a false picture or try to deceive? Do people think she would want to help a child murderer?

Other searchers have also told what they thought they saw and where they thought they'd looked. She's certainly as credible to me as others. People can be wrong or mistaken of course, without meaning to be deceptive. The way she described the remains site environs though seems right compared to the water expert's study and the way the land appears to lie. Of course, I could be wrong in my understanding of where Area A is or where she walked etc.

There's always the possibility that she walked the area, but just didn't see the remains, I guess. Who knows?

As an Orange County resident and Florida taxpayer, I am livid with this woman. She inserted herself in the case, falsified documents, tried to get an "in" with NeJame, Baez, the Anthony's, etc. This whole TES fiasco -- investigators, going through the documents, court hearings about the TES docs, etc., have cost huge amounts of money. How dare she! She is nothing more than a wannabe (wannabe what, I don't know). She makes me sick. Better stop now. Don't want a time out!:maddening:

 

[Amil]

Well.....he did have three months to prepare. :floorlaugh:

Jerry Lyons? WTH? Didn't he know who walked the walk? CM is not up to speed here.

 

[zippitydoda]

I just would have trouble believing this mild mannered mother of 3 from another state would have any reason to create some false story--what for? What motive could she have to try to paint a false picture or try to deceive? Do people think she would want to help a child murderer?

Here's the one thing for me, mild mannered, honest people don't lie, and she lied, plenty. It's all there in black and white, and in the recorded calls. She knew darn well she was spinning a yarn, and kept this TES paperwork tucked away for over two years. When Mort called her, its was like the light shining on Norma Desmond.

When I read that she was crying at the end, it almost made me glad - it said to me that maybe she has an ounce of shame over how far she allowed herself, and anyone that helped her, to take this.

This woman was an amateur, who decided to go out of her way to weasel into becoming an defense witness in a capital murder trial. Who does that? Someone who needs professional help. Someone who can't see past their own selfish needs to feel important and needed.

 

[Pondering Mind]

As an Orange County resident and Florida taxpayer, I am livid with this woman. She inserted herself in the case, falsified documents, tried to get an "in" with NeJame, Baez, the Anthony's, etc. This whole TES fiasco -- investigators, going through the documents, court hearings about the TES docs, etc., have cost huge amounts of money. How dare she! She is nothing more than a wannabe (wannabe what, I don't know). She makes me sick. Better stop now. Don't want a time out!:maddening:

bbm~

She reminds me of ICA and Cindy for that matter..Maybe birds of a feather not only flock together, but attract like birds as well? :floorlaugh:..

 

[Horace Finklestein]

How much do you think the prosecution costs the taxpayers? LOL I'm just teasing you, a lot of times people complain about the defense, as if they just run on air over at the prosecutor's office, no cost to the taxpayer.

Are you honestly saying this person LB defrauded the state of Florida? :waitasec:
To me she seems like a mild mannered, well-meaning, easily intimidated person, who just told what she believes she saw while searching and is now being put through the wringer big time from the sound of it. I would think she's probably traumatized by everything that's happening to her now if what has been posted here is true.

I just would have trouble believing this mild mannered mother of 3 from another state would have any reason to create some false story--what for? What motive could she have to try to paint a false picture or try to deceive? Do people think she would want to help a child murderer?

Other searchers have also told what they thought they saw and where they thought they'd looked. She's certainly as credible to me as others. People can be wrong or mistaken of course, without meaning to be deceptive. The way she described the remains site environs though seems right compared to the water expert's study and the way the land appears to lie. Of course, I could be wrong in my understanding of where Area A is or where she walked etc.

There's always the possibility that she walked the area, but just didn't see the remains, I guess. Who knows?

I really do not think it's ok to minimize everything LB did and simply act as if it is in any way understandable. The way you are representing what she did is not accurate and does not take into account her intentional numerous lies. Also there is no comparison between the waste of money the defense has taken part in, LB included, and the prudent responsible investigations done by the SA who are performing a vital service.

 

[Frigga]

Gosh, not to mention the fact that one day she is out searching for this baby (and come on... NOT alive), she goes out in the evening AFTER the search and spots Caylee and the nanny-like-similar- but-non-family-member at Epcot, makes a phone call or two (to tip lines), and then goes BACK to search for the (obviously non living) child again the next day! Come on! Are you kidding me? I would be going to every higher up from TES possible the next day, begging for someone to take my information and find this child... better yet, how 'bout calling security at the park RIGHT THEN AND THERE- she had been searching for this child all day! It is unfathomable, to say the least!