WKMG - Homicide Charges Shortly, Grand Jury next week **MERGED THREADS** #2

[Amster]

Not necessarily. The defense will create that reasonable doubt on the basis that there is no body (YET). They will carry on with the lie that Caylee was sold to someone who ran off to Puerto Rico or whatever the most current fabrication is at that particular moment. If there is even a SHRED of reasonable doubt in a juror's mind, they cannot vote guilty...

Our only hope for a slam dunk case is that Casey confesses and leads LE to Caylee's body or LE just happens to find Caylee before or during the trial. Highly unlikely, I know, but stranger things have happened...

Reasonable doubt....operative word being "reasonable".....

 

[swa]

Now's the time to prepare ourselves for the "confession"!

You know, the one where she says she killed Caylee accidentally and got scared and hid her body.

At this point, it's the only way she's going to get off. She's toast.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is in the works.

Baez wants ALL of the evidence so he can tell her what her odds are of a conviction -- plain and simple.

She has to produce a body in my opinion though if she claims it was an accident.

 

[yolorado]

Well, we'll get her truth. She does seem to have a nanny fixation. I predict, at trial, she'll pin the whole affair on Mary Poppins.

Who she will say dropped Caylee safely off at Heidi's in the Swiss Alps while flying from London to Berlin for a new gig....Then, Baez:loser: will petition the judge:smiliescale: to let KC out so he and she can go look for Caylee in Europe!:shakehead::laughitup:

 

[softsoul]

Well, yes... he will TRY to create reasonable doubt.. but if they can prove that it was Caylee's dead body in that trunk, and prove premeditation by the search for chloroform... and given her apparent non-concern about her missing daughter and that she didn't even report it for a month... I don't think there will be sufficient reasonable doubt for ANY jury. There is, IMO, enough circumstantial evidence to support motive, means and opportunity. There is very little to support a theory that Caylee was kidnapped or sold other than Casey's lies. It may not be a slam dunk.... but pretty darn close.

I am not sure the chloroform searches and lack of remorse would be enough to convince me of premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. Casey has brought me to entirely new levels of anger and disgust so I am far, far from an objective viewer. I do believe they could prove Casey's involvement in Caylee's death, just not premeditation.

I'm confident they do have more...lots more.... evidence against her. I am ready to be very impressed with this investigation despite some early errors on LE's part. All indications are they have gone to great lengths in this case and I doubt there are many unturned stones.

 

[Noway]

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter30/flgrandjuryhandbook.rtf

Here is a link about the GJ in Florida.

I would expect that they would call Casey to testify but that she would plead the Fifth, as is usually suggested by defense attorney (even prosecuting attorneys would agree with this).

Anyone who can provide information would be asked to testify, not just LE (basing this on who was called to provide GJ testimony in Drew Peterson case).

Make that two links: http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter31/flgrandjuryinstructions.rtf

 

[bailee]

I tend to look at this in a much simpler manner. If Baez had even one plausible defence he would not be filing a motion for evidence indicating innocence of KC.

Also what happened to that lead about the person who had a picture of all the parties involved???????????

 

[trac]

He also wants the judge to order the state to turn over any evidence favorable to his client, such as names of people who might help establish Anthony's innocence and the names of any undercover agents in the case.

this line interests me, and I am sorry if it has already been brought up. does he mean undercover LE or people who may have been 'acting as agents for the police' as some people thought Lee was doing at one time. I wonder if he is trying to find out who, among her family and friends might be 'ratting out' Casey behind her back so to speak.

I had said this so many times on this board but no one seems to either see it or comment - AGAIN I doubt Casey is a forgiving person AND I by her statements and the way she talked to her family, I'm sure the wheels are spinning on how she is going to get back at these people that have talked against her - Jesse, Amy and Tony need to watch their backs - AND especially if nothing is charged to Cindy, she seems the same way - the way she's throwing Casey's 'friends' (and I use that term loosely) under the bus to LE

 

[chesterp]

Even if she does "confess" will anyone actually believe the story she tells?

She is loving all the attention, no matter that it is all negative.

Confession.........not a good movie ending.

 

[trac]

The globe today on my grocery stores newstand

says Casey Confesses - photo of her sobbing --- Breaking news ---------- didnt get a chance to browse it for once the line was too short -

Maybe someone else will later today

LOL we know how truthful those rags are! OH Wait, Men In Black said that those are the only truthful newspapers! LOL

 

[yolorado]

Even if she does "confess" will anyone actually believe the story she tells?

She is loving all the attention, no matter that it is all negative.

If she takes cops to the body (and they would have to find remains), they'd probably be willing to somewhat deal with her - to save the taxpayers a trial, to provide closure, but, at this point, it's too late for her to avoid doing MAJOR jail time, no matter what sob or horror story she comes up with.:cooler::cop::cop:

:smiliescale::rubberducky::rubberducky:

 

[SailorMoon]

Well, I think they can do it. There is a trial on right going on right now here in the DFW where a woman went missing, apartment was obviously a crime scene...but no body. I think it even took them a little while to find the guy and charge him, but I'm quite sure he'll be found guilty. Okay...my two cents in...carry on.

And yes, I agree, Cindy will blame everyone but the one responsible, her daugher, Jessie, Amy and whoever else better watch their back. I think Cindy is as looney as KC and that's exactly where KC got it from.

 

[Broderick]

I had said this so many times on this board but no one seems to either see it or comment - AGAIN I doubt Casey is a forgiving person AND I by her statements and the way she talked to her family, I'm sure the wheels are spinning on how she is going to get back at these people that have talked against her - Jesse, Amy and Tony need to watch their backs - AND especially if nothing is charged to Cindy, she seems the same way - the way she's throwing Casey's 'friends' (and I use that term loosely) under the bus to LE

There seems to a disconnect from normal society in the family. It appears that the house operated on lies and it was the norm. They lied to each other and it was easier just to believe each other's lies. When they realized that the rest of the world doesn't operate in this manner they were shocked and now feel that anyone that doesn't believe their lies are the bad people. It appears from interviews and by lawyer action that their only goal and thought process has nothing to do with Caylee, but revenge and retribution against those that don't buy into their culture of lies. Meanwhile they fund raise for Casey's defense.

 

[trac]

There seems to a disconnect from normal society in the family. It appears that the house operated on lies and it was the norm. They lied to each other and it was easier just to believe each other's lies. When they realized that the rest of the world doesn't operate in this manner they were shocked and now feel that anyone that doesn't believe their lies are the bad people. It appears from interviews and by lawyer action that their only goal and thought process has nothing to do with Caylee, but revenge and retribution against those that don't buy into their culture of lies. Meanwhile they fund raise for Casey's defense.

You know, I think that the Anthony's are more normal than we think - Cindy and George obviously only connection was Caylee then - they were on the brink of divorce - one child, Lee was the peacemaker, one child, Casey was the troublemaker - because Cindy and George didn't want to make waves they allowed Casey to develop into what she is now - it happens when parents aren't parents and are afraid to discipline

NOW they realize they really messed up - but they need to hold their family together - What I see now is Cindy is obviously the outspoken one and will do anything to keep appearances - George seems to have retreated into himself, he's a broken man and this happened when he realized what has really happened - I don't think George will make excuses for Casey, it saddens me that he was totally taken advantage of by Cindy and Casey

Cindy will throw anyone under the bus that she can - it's all for appearence sake

And Cindy and Casey are NOT forgiving people - they harp and nag and harp and nag until the person does what they want

I would not want Cindy or Casey as an enemy

 

[chris1990]

IMO Prosecution has alot of physical evidence against KC (not counting what they havent shared with the media), so for JB to create reasonable doubt at trial i think he would need to present his own physical evidence or testimony from credible witnesses(not family). Not just lies, because the way i see it "he's got nothing".

Next time they lock her up, she wont be getting out!!!!!!!!

 

[DianeB]

Why doesn't Baez ask for a winning lottery ticket while he's at it? It would come in more handy than a list of childhood friends who are shocked! at what their old classmate has turned into, and still speak kindly of her.

 

[DianeB]

If you're near a TV, turn to Fox - they just teased "Wait till you hear the latest comments from her attorney" going into a commercial break.

 

[Broderick]

You know, I think that the Anthony's are more normal than we think - Cindy and George obviously only connection was Caylee then - they were on the brink of divorce - one child, Lee was the peacemaker, one child, Casey was the troublemaker - because Cindy and George didn't want to make waves they allowed Casey to develop into what she is now - it happens when parents aren't parents and are afraid to discipline

NOW they realize they really messed up - but they need to hold their family together - What I see now is Cindy is obviously the outspoken one and will do anything to keep appearances - George seems to have retreated into himself, he's a broken man and this happened when he realized what has really happened - I don't think George will make excuses for Casey, it saddens me that he was totally taken advantage of by Cindy and Casey

Cindy will throw anyone under the bus that she can - it's all for appearence sake

And Cindy and Casey are NOT forgiving people - they harp and nag and harp and nag until the person does what they want

I would not want Cindy or Casey as an enemy

You would not want anyone characterized as a potential sociopath being your enemy so I agree completely with that last sentence on both accords.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Well, I think they can do it. There is a trial on right going on right now here in the DFW where a woman went missing, apartment was obviously a crime scene...but no body. I think it even took them a little while to find the guy and charge him, but I'm quite sure he'll be found guilty. Okay...my two cents in...carry on.

And yes, I agree, Cindy will blame everyone but the one responsible, her daugher, Jessie, Amy and whoever else better watch their back. I think Cindy is as looney as KC and that's exactly where KC got it from.

Yes but there is a HUGE and I do mean HUGE difference between yakking away at a reporter's microphone, or while giving a statement...and actually presenting a train of thought or a theory in a Court of Law!
Suddenly Cindy et al will be bound by strict rules of conduct and strict rules of evidence which will effectively act as a mass duct-taping of all mouths-Anthony.
Even Cindy, no matter how big her bus is by trial time, cannot trump the rules to which everyone adheres during a trial on charges of this magnitude.

There will be no room for pulling theories out of thin air. They will have to paint a picture using witnesses and evidence..and not merely present conjecture ------ aint gonna fly, no can do.

OMG, Casey's clan is not above the law after all.

jmho

 

[DianeB]

They didn't say much, just that Baez "Told a morning show that he and his client 'are preparing for the worst'."

Good idea.

 

[Broderick]

IMO Prosecution has alot of physical evidence against KC (not counting what they havent shared with the media), so for JB to create reasonable doubt at trial i think he would need to present his own physical evidence or testimony from credible witnesses(not family). Not just lies, because the way i see it "he's got nothing".

Next time they lock her up, she wont be getting out!!!!!!!!

Sure he wants his own evidence for defense, but it is quite clear that in hours upon hours upon hours meeting with his client that he has nothing. This became very clear when he has to motion the prosecution and investigation for anything he can use to possibly defend his client. All those hours were a waste.