WKMG - Homicide Charges Shortly, Grand Jury next week **MERGED THREADS**

[Chilly Willy]

And another thing to remember is that in Florida ... "state constitution provides that no person may be tried for a capital crime except on presentment and indictment by a grand jury." Someone mentioned the JBR case in comparison ... in that instance the State of Colorado took the case to the GJ primarily to see if they could get any indictment based on the evidence and many think to placate the media and the public ... to be able to say ... "look we just don't have enough, yet" ... while in this instance, I see it as a strong possibility that the GJ indictment is necessary so that the State can proceed with a Capital murder trial.

I hope that made sense ... I really tried!

I was not aware that a grand jury indictment was required for capital offenses in Florida. Thank you for that information.

OT: Sorry the other thread made you sad :frown:

 

[tippytoes]

It's been said here many times that LE is now the voice for Caylee. After reading all the documents so far, they are speaking loud and clear. Thoughts and prayers for all those good folks tonight!!

(PS--This thread should have been called "BOMBSHELL.")

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Is the defense allowed to be present at the GJ hearing?

Nope:dance:

 

[Themis]

Grand Jurors are on the panel up to 18 months - they can hear 1 to 5 maybe 10 cases in that time

IF the subject, in this Casey, has been charged already, in which she has on neglect in which the state was to up the ante on the charges, the Grand Jury can take a few days - It only takes a year if it's just an investigation - such as political cases

Florida has a speedy trial rule in felony cases -- date defendant is taken into custody (July 16, 2008) plus 175 days until the trial starts (January 7, 2009).

“Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death…”
DiCaprio: "You want to walk a little faster through that valley there?” (Titanic)

 

[Ezryder9]

Well maybe something was found on those searches and thats one reason Tim and LP are coming back to Orlando, they might be testifying for the grand jury

Things that make you go, hmmmmmmm. Very good thought, Trac. If they get to OrLawnDo this weekend, that will give them time to search, but also time to meet with LE and the State Attorney's Office on Monday before the grand jury on Tuesday. Yep, I bet you're right. And I bet Rob and the female body guard will be in town, too. Yep.

 

[indallas2]

CNN is now reporting on the breaking story and Mike Brooks gave his opinions. FYI, Mike is the former detective who is often NG. Love this guy.

Anyway, he says that he believes LE has additional evidence which has not been presented to the public. He also says that the GJ would indict her on homicide or manslaughter and that she would not likely be allowed out on bond after her arrest. He also believes there is enough evidence to indict her. Good news.

Thanks that's GREAT to know!!

 

[trac]

I just checked on Baez standing with the Florida Bar - his requirements are incomplete, he's in good standing but he's missing this which is required to practice law in Florida - my guess is that this case might make up hours on some of this stuff!

CLER Pending - Requirement incomplete
To comply with the Continuing Legal Education Requirement (CLER), a member must accumulate 30 credit hours over 3-year period and report completion by a set reporting date. Five of the 30 hours must be devoted to ethics, professionalism, substance abuse, or mental illness awareness.

 

[TigerBalm]

What is a grand jury and what does it do?

A grand jury is composed of a group of citizens who have been selected from voter registration, driver’s licenses and tax lists. Federal grand juries consist of 16 to 23 people, while the number of jurors in state grand juries varies significantly from state to state. The grand jury considers evidence presented by the county prosecutor, or U.S. Attorney for federal cases, and determines if there is sufficient evidence to formally charge defendants and require them to respond to the charge(s).


What happens in a grand jury proceeding?

Neither the accused nor their attorneys are present and are generally not even allowed in a grand jury proceeding. A criminal defense attorney is also not allowed to provide assistance or representation for the accused in a grand jury indictment. Attorneys are also not allowed to accompany witnesses in a grand jury proceeding. However, a witness may ask permission to leave the room to consult with his or her attorney outside the grand jury room before returning to answer questions.

What actually happens is that witnesses normally testify regarding the crime, and they also may be required to provide documentation, and the evidence is presented by the prosecution to the grand jury. After considering the evidence and witness testimonies, if a majority of the jurors vote to indict the defendant, the defendant must face further criminal proceedings.

The return of an indictment is called a "true bill." If a majority finds the evidence to be insufficient to indict, the grand jury enters a "no bill" and the charge(s) are dismissed. In state criminal cases, the jury may decide to charge defendants with a less serious offense, to be downgraded or remanded to the municipal court.

 

[Chilly Willy]

1. About 2 weeks, give or take a few days.
2. In a few (3 - 5) days after the evidence is presented.

It's going to take at least a day or so to type it up considering all the economic charges.

That's disappointing. I was hoping for a few days at most. At least now we have a time frame of sorts, that's better than waiting and hoping something will happen.

 

[trac]

Florida has a speedy trial rule in felony cases -- date defendant is taken into custody (July 16, 2008) plus 175 days until the trial starts (January 7, 2009).

“Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death…”
DiCaprio: "You want to walk a little faster through that valley there?” (Titanic)

No, the defendent was taken into custody for ANOTHER charge, the grand jury can change that charge - the date will change when she is indicted, arrested and jailed for the new offense - LE might forgo the neglect charge for the homicide charge

 

[Blink34]

Blink, are you saying you don't think the GJ will indict in this case? I hope that isn't what you are saying! Or if 'what sees the inside of a courtroom?'

O my, sorry, Kathyn, thank your for asking me to clarify.

I do not believe KC will ever stand trial for Caylee's death. I think TES will find Caylee's remains and the GJ will indict, LE will announce DNA match indicating Caylee's death. Not necessarily in that order, but I believe she will will plead guilty in exchange for LWOP.

That was what I meant by not seeing the inside of the courtroom, imo.

 

[nancy botwin]

And another thing to remember is that in Florida ... "state constitution provides that no person may be tried for a capital crime except on presentment and indictment by a grand jury." Someone mentioned the JBR case in comparison ... in that instance the State of Colorado took the case to the GJ primarily to see if they could get any indictment based on the evidence and many think to placate the media and the public ... to be able to say ... "look we just don't have enough, yet" ... while in this instance, I see it as a strong possibility that the GJ indictment is necessary so that the State can proceed with a Capital murder trial.

I hope that made sense ... I really tried!

I agree! I think a lot of people are looking at the Grand Jury as a sign LE might not have enough evidence to indict Casey for murder. I think/hope the GJ is an indicator Casey will be prosecuted for Murder 1. In Florida, Grand Juries HAVE to be called when someone is about to be prosecuted for a capital offense, or the person is a public official on a matter of public concern.

 

[trac]

That's disappointing. I was hoping for a few days at most. At least now we have a time frame of sorts, that's better than waiting and hoping something will happen.

Everyone is saying all kinds of stuff - the florida bar, which I stated before says that when a person has been arrested the grand jury will normally take a few days - IF the person has not been charged it can take longer

I'm sure NG will clear the air for all with lawyers there

 

[Dolce171]

Yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I don't have court TV I say it should have it's own channel, and no damn commercials.

I don't think there is a court TV anymore. I believe it is now called TruTv or something like that.

 

[Broderick]

I just checked on Baez standing with the Florida Bar - his requirements are incomplete, he's in good standing but he's missing this which is required to practice law in Florida - my guess is that this case might make up hours on some of this stuff!

CLER Pending - Requirement incomplete
To comply with the Continuing Legal Education Requirement (CLER), a member must accumulate 30 credit hours over 3-year period and report completion by a set reporting date. Five of the 30 hours must be devoted to ethics, professionalism, substance abuse, or mental illness awareness.

Bold ethics and professionalism. What lawyer spends 6-8 hours a day, holding hands with his female client? Figuring he is motioning the prosecution for defense evidence tells me that he has gotten NOTHING from his visitor in all the time she has spent at that office. He really needs to finish his requirements under Florida law.

 

[Themis]

I just checked on Baez standing with the Florida Bar - his requirements are incomplete, he's in good standing but he's missing this which is required to practice law in Florida - my guess is that this case might make up hours on some of this stuff!

CLER Pending - Requirement incomplete
To comply with the Continuing Legal Education Requirement (CLER), a member must accumulate 30 credit hours over 3-year period and report completion by a set reporting date. Five of the 30 hours must be devoted to ethics, professionalism, substance abuse, or mental illness awareness.

CLER are study courses. Nothing he is doing on this case will substitute for CLER -- continuing legal education requirements.

 

[Ezryder9]

I'm bringing this over from the Yuri support thread. Don't think Blink will mind. And she's right...it is a two tissue minimum. I thought maybe not everyone reads the Yuri thread (why would be beyond me) but this is definitely worth watching, especially now with the grand jury convening. This will help us all remember why, in case anyone forgot.

Originally Posted by Blink34
Det. Melich makes the cut in this YouTube video created as a Thank You to OCSO and TES.

Warning, it will break your heart, again. Between the photo of Yuri standing in the backyard amongst the evidence tags, and the close up of my man-saint, Tim Miller, it is a 2 tissue minimum.

But watch it anyway, it is dedication personafied to Yuri, Tim Miller and TES, and everyone with them and on here searching for answers for Caylee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyMjA2XVRH4

 

[Muzikman]

WFTV is now reporting at the top of their 6 PM newscast that detectives believe Casey Murdered Caylee and it was not an accidental death.

 

[Blink34]

I just checked on Baez standing with the Florida Bar - his requirements are incomplete, he's in good standing but he's missing this which is required to practice law in Florida - my guess is that this case might make up hours on some of this stuff!

CLER Pending - Requirement incomplete
To comply with the Continuing Legal Education Requirement (CLER), a member must accumulate 30 credit hours over 3-year period and report completion by a set reporting date. Five of the 30 hours must be devoted to ethics, professionalism, substance abuse, or mental illness awareness.

POST OF THE DAY!!!!!!!​

:gold_crown:

lmao, those dang Con Ed's will get ya everytime. Maybe he has a photo of himself taking them he can submit?​